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Hassin Bin Sober

(26,347 posts)
Tue Dec 3, 2019, 11:07 AM Dec 2019

How Biden Helped Strip Bankruptcy Protection From Millions Just Before a Recession

How Biden Helped Strip Bankruptcy Protection From Millions Just Before a Recession

https://www.gq.com/story/joe-biden-bankruptcy-bill


Biden was one of the bill's major Democratic champions, and he fought for its passage from his position on the Senate Judiciary Committee. He had pushed for two earlier bankruptcy reform bills in 2000 and 2001, both of which failed. But in 2005, BAPCPA made it through, successfully erecting all kinds of roadblocks for Americans struggling with debt, and doing so just before the financial crisis of 2008. Since BAPCPA passed, Chapter 13 filings went from representing just 24 percent of all bankruptcy filings per year to 39 percent in 2017. Melissa Jacoby, a University of North Carolina law professor specializing in bankruptcy, told Politico, "I doubt that the bill reined in the abuses that the bill was premised on, in part because they didn’t necessarily exist in the first place."

Unions, consumer protection groups, and the National Organization for Women all opposed the BAPCPA, but it had heavy support from the credit card industry. Delaware is essentially a domestic tax haven for corporations, and as a result financial institutions like credit card companies hold tremendous power in the state. As political writer Alexander Cockburn once wrote, "The first duty of any senator from Delaware is to do the bidding of the banks and large corporations which use the tiny state as a drop box and legal sanctuary. Biden has never failed his masters in this primary task. Find any bill that sticks it to the ordinary folk on behalf of the Money Power and you’ll likely detect Biden’s hand at work."

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Biden at the time stressed that he wasn't acting on behalf of the credit card companies, and as Matt Ygelsias writes at Vox, Biden's camp claims now that BAPCPA was an effort to get some concessions out of a Republican bill that would have been a bigger disaster without his intervention. But to his critics, there were red flags. For example, one of the biggest credit card companies in Delaware, MBNA, hired Joe Biden's son Hunter in 1996. Even after Hunter became a federal lobbyist in 2001, he stayed on at MBNA as a consultant at a fee of $100,000 per year, meaning he was pulling in a six-figure salary at the same time his father was pushing for the industry's top priorities. Biden's interests were so aligned with MBNA's that in 1999 he was forced to defend himself by declaring, "I am not the senator from MBNA." But even without the shadows of impropriety, critics of Biden's support for bankruptcy reform had plenty of fodder.

One of Biden's biggest antagonists was none other than Elizabeth Warren. Back when she was a mere Harvard law professor specializing in bankruptcy law, Warren questioned the entire rationale of bankruptcy reform, telling The Washington Post in 1998, "Those who want to say the way to solve rising consumer bankruptcy is by changing the law are the same people who would have said during a malaria epidemic that the way to cut down on hospital admissions is to lock the door." In the 2003 book she co-wrote with her daughter, The Two-Income Trap, she took special aim at Biden's efforts to make it harder for Americans to declare bankruptcy and framed it as an issue that disproportionally effects women:








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How Biden Helped Strip Bankruptcy Protection From Millions Just Before a Recession (Original Post) Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2019 OP
Oh crap Ferrets are Cool Dec 2019 #1
I'm in chapter 13 WA-03 Democrat Dec 2019 #2
The Bankruptcy Act was going to come up sometime, crazytown Dec 2019 #3
Yes, it was. Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2019 #4
I have it on good authority that this is a nothing burger. progressoid Dec 2019 #5
Not to mention how well the banks look out for us. Autumn Dec 2019 #7
More like.... TidalWave46 Dec 2019 #8
It's unfortunate that this won't go anywhere. TidalWave46 Dec 2019 #6
Yes I know...Biden is doomed...doomed I say only he really isn't. The bankrupcy law was way better Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #12
It was a bad move overall. There really isn't any denying that. TidalWave46 Dec 2019 #16
Such crap...there are enough holes in the Bankruptcy law to drive a truck through it. Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #9
That's why the CC companies lobbied so hard for it. For fun! Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2019 #10
Oh they wanted more but didn't get it...you have to take two cheap courses online... Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #11
The new law limited chapter 7 for many forcing them in to 13 Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2019 #13
You have to make a lot of money not to qualify...my sis owns two house and makes a great deal of Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #14
Look at the number of bankruptcies in this country...some are for medical. But often we live beyond Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #15
Oh I smell desperation n/t PhoenixDem Dec 2019 #17
wow wee wow wow... myohmy2 Dec 2019 #18
Why are you using a quote from someone else to bash Biden? George II Dec 2019 #19
This is an anti-Biden piece rife with inaccuracies, exaggerations, and outright lies. George II Dec 2019 #20
 

WA-03 Democrat

(3,056 posts)
2. I'm in chapter 13
Tue Dec 3, 2019, 11:20 AM
Dec 2019

BK sucks. It has never been easy.

Joe Biden is a proven Democratic Excutive and Legislative leader.

He will win MI, PA, OH, WI and FL.

His election coattails will allow our democracy to prevail.

Go Joe Go!

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crazytown

(7,277 posts)
3. The Bankruptcy Act was going to come up sometime,
Tue Dec 3, 2019, 11:22 AM
Dec 2019

looks like that time is now. So far Elizabeth Warren has passed on numerous invitations to take it up - even after Tweety showed a clip of her 2005 testimony.

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progressoid

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5. I have it on good authority that this is a nothing burger.
Tue Dec 3, 2019, 06:11 PM
Dec 2019

Voters don't care about this anymore because we all have so much money now that the recession is over.

Also credit card companies are super neat and treat us consumers swell.

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Autumn

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7. Not to mention how well the banks look out for us.
Tue Dec 3, 2019, 06:52 PM
Dec 2019





Yeah. I might need this.
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TidalWave46

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8. More like....
Tue Dec 3, 2019, 06:53 PM
Dec 2019

It actually takes an article that no one will read in order to explain it.

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TidalWave46

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6. It's unfortunate that this won't go anywhere.
Tue Dec 3, 2019, 06:52 PM
Dec 2019

Yes, I say that as someone who really likes Biden. It's just not a quick sell.

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Demsrule86

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12. Yes I know...Biden is doomed...doomed I say only he really isn't. The bankrupcy law was way better
Tue Dec 3, 2019, 08:58 PM
Dec 2019

than the GOP and CC wanted...put student loans back and it will be just fine.

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TidalWave46

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16. It was a bad move overall. There really isn't any denying that.
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 08:37 AM
Dec 2019

But he was representing his state and doing so well. While I think it’s a big deal I also see a positive side to it. He will do what he feels is in the best interests of the country, mouth breathers be damned. He won’t just be representing a small state.

I also think he is different, ideologically. A persons ability to change is a positive. He is far more economically than I am but he is more in-line with the rest of the country than I am.

But there is zero spinning of the bankruptcy bill that will make it look good, or even benign. No Democrat today should even attempt to put a positive spin on it.

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Demsrule86

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9. Such crap...there are enough holes in the Bankruptcy law to drive a truck through it.
Tue Dec 3, 2019, 07:45 PM
Dec 2019

People get bankruptcies all the time both my husband's sis and my sis both did.

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Hassin Bin Sober

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10. That's why the CC companies lobbied so hard for it. For fun!
Tue Dec 3, 2019, 08:46 PM
Dec 2019
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Demsrule86

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11. Oh they wanted more but didn't get it...you have to take two cheap courses online...
Tue Dec 3, 2019, 08:56 PM
Dec 2019

my sis had a chapter 7 and that was that...my husband's sister ran her cards up and also had one....so please spare me. I would like to see student loans easier to get rid of in bankruptcy and when Biden is president hopefully it will be addressed.

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Hassin Bin Sober

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13. The new law limited chapter 7 for many forcing them in to 13
Tue Dec 3, 2019, 09:10 PM
Dec 2019

It added a more stringent means test 7.

The new law limited what 13 filers could claim as expenses (no longer claim actual) thereby increasing payback and decreasing money left over to live on.

The new law also changed the way property is valued - causing more people to lose property.

Those are facts. Your anecdotes are irrelevant here. Though I’m happy it worked out for your family.

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Demsrule86

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14. You have to make a lot of money not to qualify...my sis owns two house and makes a great deal of
Tue Dec 3, 2019, 11:38 PM
Dec 2019

money. She kept both houses and filed a chapter 7. And 13 is not so bad either...often people pay pennies on the dollar. The idea that the bankruptcy law is so horrible...it is simply not true.

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Demsrule86

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15. Look at the number of bankruptcies in this country...some are for medical. But often we live beyond
Tue Dec 3, 2019, 11:41 PM
Dec 2019

our means...it gets tougher and tougher these days. Hubs and I have been very strict with saving money of late. You have a picture of Biden on your post! What is going on?

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myohmy2

(3,182 posts)
18. wow wee wow wow...
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 10:30 AM
Dec 2019

"The first duty of any senator from Delaware is to do the bidding of the banks and large corporations which use the tiny state as a drop box and legal sanctuary. Biden has never failed his masters in this primary task. Find any bill that sticks it to the ordinary folk on behalf of the Money Power and you’ll likely detect Biden’s hand at work."

...has Joe ever addressed the concerns some people may have?

...if he hasn't, I think he should...trump ain't going to let this sleeping dog lie...

...oh boy...

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George II

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19. Why are you using a quote from someone else to bash Biden?
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 10:46 AM
Dec 2019
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George II

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20. This is an anti-Biden piece rife with inaccuracies, exaggerations, and outright lies.
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 11:16 AM
Dec 2019
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