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mcar

(42,334 posts)
Tue Dec 3, 2019, 10:15 PM Dec 2019

The Democratic Race Is Poorer for Losing Kamala Harris

The Democratic Race Is Poorer for Losing Kamala Harris
But the California senator will remain a force.

BY CHARLES P. PIERCE
DEC 3, 2019

The Democratic presidential primary season hit its first major pivot point on Tuesday when California Senator Kamala Harris announced that she no longer had the resources to continue her campaign. Harris was a first-tier candidate when she launched her bid and remained one through most of the summer. Then, in the first debate, she dared call out friendly ol’ Joe Biden for the accommodations he’d made with the defenders of white supremacy in the decades since he first got to the Senate. (I mean, it’s OK to attend Strom Thurmond’s services, I guess, but you didn’t have to eulogize the old racist sonuvabitch.)

They can all tap-dance around this as much as they want to, but Harris’s audacity shook the comfort zones of a whole lot of people committed to the Democratic establishment, especially those with a history of complicity with the conservative movement. Couple that with the “Kamala Is A Cop” business coming from the portsiders, and Harris soon found that she didn’t have a lot of room to maneuver. Her visibility dropped to near-zero. Her fundraising dried up. And, unsurprisingly, since campaign operatives generally have the loyalty of gaboon vipers when things go south, stories blew up over the weekend about what a hopeless mess her campaign had become.

And now she’s out, and here the Democrats are. The next debate is on December 19 and, unless things turn around for Cory Booker in one quick hurry, every candidate on stage will be white, and most of them will be men. One of them will be a no-hope billionaire. Still another will be the mayor of a mid-sized Indiana city who won his last race with 8,500 votes. If I were an official of the DNC, and young black activists came up to me and told me to stick my party where the sun don’t shine, I’d have a hard time arguing with them.

Harris should still be in the race. She is a brilliant, accomplished woman who showed her leadership chops when she reduced Brett Kavanaugh to tears during his Senate confirmation hearings. (In fact, one of the only upsides to her decision that I can see is that now she’ll have all the time she needs to prep for her role in the Senate trial of El Caudillo del Mar-a-Lago.) She got screwed by the political system of legalized influence peddling that we were gifted by the Supreme Court. It has bothered me from the start that fundraising numbers were such an important metric for the DNC in deciding who should be on the stage and who shouldn’t. Harris qualified for the December 19 hoedown, but she couldn’t sustain her campaign until then. (Two whole weeks!) Instead, we’ll get Tom Steyer, but not Julian Castro. Tulsi Gabbard, but (probably) not Booker. How is this good for anyone? In what is arguably a populist moment, this is simply crazy.

Kamala Harris will still be a force. Right now, she has to be at the top of every vice-presidential shortlist. Any Democrat elected has to consider her for attorney general. And, once the Senate trial starts. she’ll likely get all the free airtime that she couldn’t get while running for president. In addition, she is the most important outstanding endorsement on the board right now. But the field is infinitely poorer without her, and completely out of touch with the actual dynamics of the 2020 election.

https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a30109105/kamala-harris-drop-out-2020-race/

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The Democratic Race Is Poorer for Losing Kamala Harris (Original Post) mcar Dec 2019 OP
Agreed Me. Dec 2019 #1
"How is this good for anyone?" babylonsister Dec 2019 #2
She's gotten more media coverage today mcar Dec 2019 #13
I think a lot of us are bitter Andy823 Dec 2019 #62
I agree. highplainsdem Dec 2019 #3
she coulda kept running but chose not to nt msongs Dec 2019 #4
How can one run a campaign without money? mcar Dec 2019 #14
Agreed Dave in VA Dec 2019 #5
Sure is. blm Dec 2019 #6
I'd never fully settled on her as my top choice tishaLA Dec 2019 #7
I am angry also. Perhaps she can take over Barr's job!! I riversedge Dec 2019 #10
This! mcar Dec 2019 #15
✔️ blm Dec 2019 #25
Post removed Post removed Dec 2019 #54
Oh damn. I just found this out. Kamala has always been among my top 3 picks riversedge Dec 2019 #8
I have seen several DU-undecided posters express the same. I do so now, too. Gore1FL Dec 2019 #23
Her strong voice in the Senate is very important WA-03 Democrat Dec 2019 #9
WTF? She surged in polling after she attacked Biden! DrToast Dec 2019 #11
Nope. That was a sugar high. But it backfired. The Valley Below Dec 2019 #34
I thought that episode was the beginning of decline? Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2019 #60
to be honest evertonfc Dec 2019 #12
I hope there are a lot of people asking why mcar Dec 2019 #17
There are StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #35
Yeah, I'm sick to death of that mcar Dec 2019 #37
I am hoping DonCoquixote Dec 2019 #16
I would think she's on everyone's short listlist mcar Dec 2019 #18
We have to lose all but one of these candidates before the general localroger Dec 2019 #19
Biden/ Harris Pachamama Dec 2019 #20
I just don't think it will happen. evertonfc Dec 2019 #21
The Democratic presidential primary is not easy to win .... stonecutter357 Dec 2019 #22
True. But no one has won any primary yet. StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #36
I agree loyalsister Dec 2019 #24
Recommended democrank Dec 2019 #26
Kick dalton99a Dec 2019 #27
A primary is a contest...you don't become the nominee because you are a great person...you win it Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #28
You've lobbied hard against every female in this primary... MerryBlooms Dec 2019 #32
I would love to see a woman president...and supported Hillary completely. But I support Biden not Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #38
Post removed Post removed Dec 2019 #41
+1 Celerity Dec 2019 #58
Our primary process isn't designed to select the best candidate for the general election. Garrett78 Dec 2019 #55
If you read my posts...you will see I often say why I believe Biden can win but I don't trash the Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #40
I've read your posts, obviously. N/T MerryBlooms Dec 2019 #42
Well crap. I had such a nice day at the zoo with family. Now this news. IADEMO2004 Dec 2019 #29
Maybe, But I LOVE the sound of "Attorney General Harris"... Woodycall Dec 2019 #30
I'm so disappointed with DU right now StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #31
Maya Angelou... MerryBlooms Dec 2019 #33
I've seen the tired old RW "identity politics" trope mcar Dec 2019 #39
My chest hurts reading through some of this stuff. Maybe it's along with other of stress today... MerryBlooms Dec 2019 #43
I'm angry mcar Dec 2019 #63
Someone has to leave - she ran out of money, plain and simple. demosincebirth Dec 2019 #44
No kidding. AllyCat Dec 2019 #45
My political fantasy was that Biden would pick her as VP, win this election and retire after one world wide wally Dec 2019 #46
Mine too!! Pachamama Dec 2019 #56
Why can't that still be true? I have always thought Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2019 #59
Sad to see her drop out. tiredtoo Dec 2019 #47
I find this extremely discouraging. nevergiveup Dec 2019 #48
Agreed. SunSeeker Dec 2019 #49
2nd Pierce article Wawannabe Dec 2019 #50
I really like senator Harris Gothmog Dec 2019 #51
Amen honest.abe Dec 2019 #52
Boy I'll say. Sad day. mahina Dec 2019 #53
K&R PunkinPi Dec 2019 #57
I agree n/t PhoenixDem Dec 2019 #61
 

babylonsister

(171,070 posts)
2. "How is this good for anyone?"
Tue Dec 3, 2019, 10:19 PM
Dec 2019

Crazy indeed. I hope to be seeing her a lot.

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mcar

(42,334 posts)
13. She's gotten more media coverage today
Tue Dec 3, 2019, 10:34 PM
Dec 2019

than in her entire campaign. I'm glad she can focus on the upcoming impeachment trial but I'll be bitter about this for a while.

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Andy823

(11,495 posts)
62. I think a lot of us are bitter
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 09:21 AM
Dec 2019

She deserved better. I didn't post yesterday because my replies to some of the BS I saw posted here would have gotten me in trouble. She was by far in the top tier that could take trump down, but she was also the target of smears, and lies. I am sure trump is happy as hell she is gone, he feared her more than anyone else.

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msongs

(67,413 posts)
4. she coulda kept running but chose not to nt
Tue Dec 3, 2019, 10:23 PM
Dec 2019
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mcar

(42,334 posts)
14. How can one run a campaign without money?
Tue Dec 3, 2019, 10:34 PM
Dec 2019
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blm

(113,063 posts)
6. Sure is.
Tue Dec 3, 2019, 10:23 PM
Dec 2019

I’m an anti-corruption voter. We need more anti-corruption candidates on the ballot, not fewer. This exit hurts.

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tishaLA

(14,176 posts)
7. I'd never fully settled on her as my top choice
Tue Dec 3, 2019, 10:24 PM
Dec 2019

but she was always in the top two or three. Still, I've been very angry today that we no longer have her in the race especially when so many less well-qualified people are still in the arena.

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riversedge

(70,242 posts)
10. I am angry also. Perhaps she can take over Barr's job!! I
Tue Dec 3, 2019, 10:30 PM
Dec 2019

can hope



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mcar

(42,334 posts)
15. This!
Tue Dec 3, 2019, 10:35 PM
Dec 2019
especially when so many less well-qualified people are still in the arena.
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riversedge

(70,242 posts)
8. Oh damn. I just found this out. Kamala has always been among my top 3 picks
Tue Dec 3, 2019, 10:26 PM
Dec 2019

so sad.

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Gore1FL

(21,132 posts)
23. I have seen several DU-undecided posters express the same. I do so now, too.
Tue Dec 3, 2019, 10:57 PM
Dec 2019

It's interesting. It's like she was almost making the sale, but just missing, with a lot of us. I am sorry she didn't have more time to have the chance to do so. I am not unhappy to see the number of candidates decrease. We'll see her again.

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WA-03 Democrat

(3,050 posts)
9. Her strong voice in the Senate is very important
Tue Dec 3, 2019, 10:29 PM
Dec 2019

She knows what’s at stake. I believe that factored in her decision processes too.

Get’m Kamala!!

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DrToast

(6,414 posts)
11. WTF? She surged in polling after she attacked Biden!
Tue Dec 3, 2019, 10:32 PM
Dec 2019

She was absolutely on fire after that.

She blew it because she couldn’t sustain the momentum.

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The Valley Below

(1,701 posts)
34. Nope. That was a sugar high. But it backfired.
Tue Dec 3, 2019, 11:55 PM
Dec 2019

The cheap shot killed her campaign.

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Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
60. I thought that episode was the beginning of decline?
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 09:18 AM
Dec 2019
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evertonfc

(1,713 posts)
12. to be honest
Tue Dec 3, 2019, 10:33 PM
Dec 2019

a year ago, I was thinking Harris, Beto, Booker and even Castro would make a real run. I thought a young candidate could transform our party agian. Obama, Clinton- even Carter were under 54. I really thought this was the cycle that an invigorating, youthful face would shine and the generational contrast to Trump would stark on a debate stage. It was not to be.

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mcar

(42,334 posts)
17. I hope there are a lot of people asking why
Tue Dec 3, 2019, 10:36 PM
Dec 2019
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StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
35. There are
Tue Dec 3, 2019, 11:59 PM
Dec 2019

But, sadly, there are also a lot of people telling us to STFU.

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mcar

(42,334 posts)
37. Yeah, I'm sick to death of that
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 12:05 AM
Dec 2019
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DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
16. I am hoping
Tue Dec 3, 2019, 10:36 PM
Dec 2019

This is so that she can become a VP. Let;s face it, be it Biden, Sanders, or Warren, they need someone like her. Yes there are two levels to that, one great (a fighter, as smart person), but also the fact is they will need a woman and a POC to show what the GOP cannot bring, especially if Trump maanmges to dump pence and put in Nikki Haley.

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Undecided
 

mcar

(42,334 posts)
18. I would think she's on everyone's short listlist
Tue Dec 3, 2019, 10:36 PM
Dec 2019
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localroger

(3,627 posts)
19. We have to lose all but one of these candidates before the general
Tue Dec 3, 2019, 10:38 PM
Dec 2019

I thought Kamala had a lot of good ideas, but she had limited name recognition outside of California and that history as a prosecutor.

And don't diss that, it's important. When you talk about "young black activists" you're talking about the very people who are going to be very, very suspicious of someone who was a cop -- because yes, prosecutors and firemen and EMT's and a number of other folks you don't normally think about are in fact cops. She could be the most progressive damn prosecutor in the country -- and by some accounts she was -- and she would have to overcome that with the people who live in certain neighborhoods, who might be primarily AA but aren't entirely so. I worried about her chances because of that from the day she entered the race.

And I think part of the reason she had trouble defining herself is that in her best moments she actually defined herself as a prosecutor -- the sharp-witted questioner who made Kavanaugh cry, for example. But that's exactly who she couldn't be for a lot of those people she needed to win over most, who either had been or knew people who had been mistreated by the cops, lied to by the cops, or coerced into taking a record and prison term in a plea deal because a prosecutor made it clear their case was hopeless even if they really were innocent. It may be hard to imagine from middle class suburbia just how many people in some communities know someone something like that happened to. I only lived in such a neighborhood for five years myself, and I'm white, and it was thirty years ago, but it colors my perception to this day. To think it won't color the perception of a lot of voters Kamala needed would be very foolish.

It is very much to her credit that she saw the writing on the wall. She would make a fine AG, a much more productive post for her than VP should she take it, but she would be even more effective just returning to the Senate and letting her seniority there accumulate. She is young -- a trait that did recommend her highly over some of her competitors -- and she has a long future awaiting her.

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Pachamama

(16,887 posts)
20. Biden/ Harris
Tue Dec 3, 2019, 10:38 PM
Dec 2019

A winning combination

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evertonfc

(1,713 posts)
21. I just don't think it will happen.
Tue Dec 3, 2019, 10:45 PM
Dec 2019

I think Biden would be more apt to pick a southern African American... Abrams or Gillum. Win either of those states and game over.

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stonecutter357

(12,697 posts)
22. The Democratic presidential primary is not easy to win ....
Tue Dec 3, 2019, 10:53 PM
Dec 2019
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StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
36. True. But no one has won any primary yet.
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 12:00 AM
Dec 2019

Yet winners and losers are already being decided.

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loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
24. I agree
Tue Dec 3, 2019, 10:59 PM
Dec 2019

I think her exit is a win for white supremacy and ultimately a major loss for us all. I agree that she will continue to be a force, and I think she will continue to have a positive impact on politics in whatever role she decides to take on.

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Undecided
 

Demsrule86

(68,582 posts)
28. A primary is a contest...you don't become the nominee because you are a great person...you win it
Tue Dec 3, 2019, 11:20 PM
Dec 2019

and she isn't gaining support...at some point one will remain and the others will be gone...let it go. And vote blue no matter who. Let's not have a repeat of 16. Trump must go.

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MerryBlooms

(11,770 posts)
32. You've lobbied hard against every female in this primary...
Tue Dec 3, 2019, 11:49 PM
Dec 2019

Hopefully, you're on other sites campaigning just as hard to ensure that voter enthusiasm continues to drop.

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Demsrule86

(68,582 posts)
38. I would love to see a woman president...and supported Hillary completely. But I support Biden not
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 12:05 AM
Dec 2019

because he is a man but because he can win the states we need and send Trump packing. We desperately need to save the courts. I hope Ginsberg can hang on. Trump is a monster and we must get him out. He has literally caused the death of children; he is turning our military into mercenaries for Saudi Arabia...he has done this in our name...You are all mad that somehow this is my fault or Biden supporters fault...but it isn't. The fact is a primary is to pick a candidate who can win a general...nothing more.t is a contest...one will win and the others will lose. I will vote for any candidate who wins the nomination. I do not support Warren in the primary but she has my vote in a general. As for voter enthusiasm...well that is nonsense...that is a thinly veiled threat that if some don't get their way, they will sabotage the election as they did last time. I believe the progressive movement is dead if Trump wins. So maybe we should all put aside our rather minor differences to get rid of Trump

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Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
55. Our primary process isn't designed to select the best candidate for the general election.
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 05:50 AM
Dec 2019

Especially when the field is as large as it was, including the involvement of novelty candidates who are simply quirky or uber-wealthy but have no business running. People aren't inclined to bother distinguishing between 20+ people they've never heard of, and the media gets focused on the wrong things.

Also, starting with IA and NH has always been stupid. We start with 2 states that don't remotely reflect our electorate and it has a major impact on how people campaign. It's absurd.

When he doesn't have a script to follow, Biden is lost. That wouldn't be a good look on a debate stage with Trump. Fortunately, I doubt Biden will be the nominee.

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Undecided
 

Demsrule86

(68,582 posts)
40. If you read my posts...you will see I often say why I believe Biden can win but I don't trash the
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 12:12 AM
Dec 2019

other candidates...I did once after the first debate and regretted it. I I certainly never go on any social media and trash Democrats ...never. So save your insults...I have seen countless anti-Biden posts too...I don't care who wins the presidency as long as it is a Democratic.

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MerryBlooms

(11,770 posts)
42. I've read your posts, obviously. N/T
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 12:17 AM
Dec 2019
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IADEMO2004

(5,555 posts)
29. Well crap. I had such a nice day at the zoo with family. Now this news.
Tue Dec 3, 2019, 11:24 PM
Dec 2019

I'm a Charlie Pierce fan too.

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Woodycall

(259 posts)
30. Maybe, But I LOVE the sound of "Attorney General Harris"...
Tue Dec 3, 2019, 11:36 PM
Dec 2019

And if that makes you sad (about her seat), how about the sound of "Senator Adam Schiff"?

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StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
31. I'm so disappointed with DU right now
Tue Dec 3, 2019, 11:42 PM
Dec 2019

Watching people I thought were allies dismiss racism and sexism as elements in this, pointing to Obama as "proof" that discrimination is
no longer a factor in our party, claiming a virtually all-white candidate slate is no big deal and telling those of us who have a problem with it to get over it, and falling back on the Republicans old favorite "MLK said we should be judged by the content of our character so we shouldn't be talking about race" dodge is what I'd expect from the FOX crowd, not a group of progressive Democrats.

How disappointing.

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MerryBlooms

(11,770 posts)
33. Maya Angelou...
Tue Dec 3, 2019, 11:55 PM
Dec 2019

"When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time."

Amen.

Stay strong, StarfishSaver, you are a warrior. I love your posts.

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mcar

(42,334 posts)
39. I've seen the tired old RW "identity politics" trope
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 12:07 AM
Dec 2019

being trotted out here today too.

Very disappointing.

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MerryBlooms

(11,770 posts)
43. My chest hurts reading through some of this stuff. Maybe it's along with other of stress today...
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 12:27 AM
Dec 2019

But, wanting to come to my beloved DU for comfort, then seeing some of these posts, I am almost in tears.

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mcar

(42,334 posts)
63. I'm angry
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 10:23 AM
Dec 2019

I've been through several primary seasons on DU and I know how ugly it can get. I had hoped we'd learned something from 2016, but no.

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demosincebirth

(12,540 posts)
44. Someone has to leave - she ran out of money, plain and simple.
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 12:30 AM
Dec 2019
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AllyCat

(16,189 posts)
45. No kidding.
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 12:37 AM
Dec 2019

Of all the candidates to back out, I wouldn’t have expected Harris.

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world wide wally

(21,744 posts)
46. My political fantasy was that Biden would pick her as VP, win this election and retire after one
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 12:38 AM
Dec 2019

term. That would have put Kamala on the inside track for 2024.

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Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
59. Why can't that still be true? I have always thought
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 09:11 AM
Dec 2019

that there was something actually smart about getting out once it was apparent it was unlikely you would win the nomination. It makes a person look more rational to me and less selfserving. Beto, Swallwell, now Harris.

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tiredtoo

(2,949 posts)
47. Sad to see her drop out.
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 12:46 AM
Dec 2019

I liked her and Amy Klobuchar in the Kavanaugh hearings.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

nevergiveup

(4,762 posts)
48. I find this extremely discouraging.
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 12:49 AM
Dec 2019

She was right up there at the top for me. I think she would have been an exciting candidate.

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Undecided
 

Wawannabe

(5,661 posts)
50. 2nd Pierce article
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 12:56 AM
Dec 2019

I have read and rec’d today. Thanks DU for helping to keep me and others informed.

He has so many great points. I was not in the Harris camp but DO NOT like how this “elimination” went down. Nope. Not at all.

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Gothmog

(145,291 posts)
51. I really like senator Harris
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 01:55 AM
Dec 2019

The race will be poorer for her not being in it

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mahina

(17,663 posts)
53. Boy I'll say. Sad day.
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 04:11 AM
Dec 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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