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Otto Lidenbrock

(581 posts)
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 11:49 AM Dec 2019

It seems Pete's rise has irked a lot of people

Twitter is not real life. Therefore it's very funny to see the people who spend so much time online and who have had a four year headstart get peeved that Pete's on the ground campaigning has made him go from a political nobody to Iowa frontrunner.










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It seems Pete's rise has irked a lot of people (Original Post) Otto Lidenbrock Dec 2019 OP
They are disagreeing about policy...why is that a bad thing? Every candidate will face this. Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #1
This is not a disagreement of policy Otto Lidenbrock Dec 2019 #2
Policy was discussed in the stuff I read...I am not on twitter that much but I have seen worse. Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #4
The tweets posted do not discuss policy, they attack Buttigieg because he has a difference of policy George II Dec 2019 #16
Imagine a campaign discussing campaign issues! Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2019 #7
The tweets in the OP aren't "discussing campaign issues". George II Dec 2019 #14
Almost as nice a thought as a campaign taking responsibility for its poor performance LanternWaste Dec 2019 #18
There is an anti - Biden bias in Change Research National Polling of around 5% ritapria Dec 2019 #30
This is not "disagreeing about policy": George II Dec 2019 #9
I don't see it that way...and I lived in GA with the hope scholarship...which did not have Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #15
I'm pretty sure that most people agree that not everyone needs to go to college Renew Deal Dec 2019 #3
That is true. Not everyone can go to college...not everyone has the ability. And some jobs Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #5
One thing has nothing to do with the other. Renew Deal Dec 2019 #6
Of course it has to do with free college...you can't separate the issues...this is not an attack but Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #10
Does everyone "need to go to college" in your opinion? Renew Deal Dec 2019 #20
No, of course not. In fact if you read my posts...I am against free college with no income Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #22
People on the left don't like supposed people on the left using right wing arguments. aidbo Dec 2019 #8
Which people "on the left" are "using right wing arguments"? I haven't seen that. George II Dec 2019 #11
People who disagree with Sen. Sanders and Sen. Warren's policies...Biden was told he should run in Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #13
Look up any MFA discussion on Twitter or here at DU and you will see it. LonePirate Dec 2019 #27
Maybe we have a different perspective. I guess anyone who doesn't embrace medicare for all 100%.... George II Dec 2019 #29
I don't think what Pete said is a right wing argument...it seems whenever anyone disagrees with Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #12
saying Buttigieg, Biden, etc etc are using 'right wing' arguments is scurrilous Celerity Dec 2019 #25
Here's the thing that really disturbs me and it's a rehash of 2016 in many ways Docreed2003 Dec 2019 #17
This is why I do not trust Bernie Sanders with the Presidency. Peacetrain Dec 2019 #19
This is also my biggest problem with Bernie MBS Dec 2019 #24
I'm a "The Buck Stops Here" Democrat. The Valley Below Dec 2019 #32
Agreed. MBS Dec 2019 #33
You nailed it! The Valley Below Dec 2019 #34
and the POS Nathan J Robinson, who openly slurs Pete as a con man is still being posted here Celerity Dec 2019 #21
+++ still_one Dec 2019 #26
I would agree with that...there is too much trashing for having a difference of opinion for my l Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #23
Sirota stands in direct opposition to the party and progressive efforts. TidalWave46 Dec 2019 #28
What's up with Gray's "nOt EVeryoNe NeEDs to Go tO ColLegE."? Is that some kind of code? George II Dec 2019 #31
 

Demsrule86

(68,582 posts)
1. They are disagreeing about policy...why is that a bad thing? Every candidate will face this.
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 11:53 AM
Dec 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Otto Lidenbrock

(581 posts)
2. This is not a disagreement of policy
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 11:59 AM
Dec 2019

Where's the critique of the policy? All this is bad faith strawman responses by a rival's campaign.

It would be like Pete bringing up Bernie didn't vote when Civil Rights was on the ballot therefore he didn't care about Civil Rights. It's one thing for an ordinary supporter to do that. It's another for campaign people.

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Demsrule86

(68,582 posts)
4. Policy was discussed in the stuff I read...I am not on twitter that much but I have seen worse.
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 12:13 PM
Dec 2019
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George II

(67,782 posts)
16. The tweets posted do not discuss policy, they attack Buttigieg because he has a difference of policy
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 12:32 PM
Dec 2019

Sirota:

If Pete Buttigieg were around when FDR introduced Social Security legislation, Pete would be publicly arguing that Social Security must be stopped because a few Rockefeller kids would be eligible for benefits...and he'd be quietly raising cash from Wall Street.

Gray:

Harvard Pete says nOt EVeryoNe NeEDs to Go tO ColLegE.

Cortez:

"He’s engaging in bad faith tactics to undermine progressive policies"

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Hassin Bin Sober

(26,330 posts)
7. Imagine a campaign discussing campaign issues!
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 12:21 PM
Dec 2019
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George II

(67,782 posts)
14. The tweets in the OP aren't "discussing campaign issues".
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 12:28 PM
Dec 2019
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LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
18. Almost as nice a thought as a campaign taking responsibility for its poor performance
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 12:39 PM
Dec 2019

instead of blaming the media or the polling methodology. Every time.

But I s'pose we both know neither's gonna happen.

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ritapria

(1,812 posts)
30. There is an anti - Biden bias in Change Research National Polling of around 5%
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 01:37 PM
Dec 2019

Results released today : Warren 23% Bernie 23% Biden 22% Buttigieg 14 % ….Economist/YouGuv has a pro-Warren bias of around 4% …..Emerson College has a pro-Bernie bias of 5% ... Poor methodology leads to consistent polling bias …..

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George II

(67,782 posts)
9. This is not "disagreeing about policy":
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 12:24 PM
Dec 2019

"He’s engaging in bad faith tactics to undermine progressive policies"

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Demsrule86

(68,582 posts)
15. I don't see it that way...and I lived in GA with the hope scholarship...which did not have
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 12:32 PM
Dec 2019

income limits and IMHO is an abject failure...you have rich kids now driving around in hopemobiles...and the idea that those who can't go to college should pay for those who do ....I just think it is wrong. We need a better solution. And Pete is a moderate from what I can tell...and is not undermining anything. I don't even support the guy and I feel the need to defend his right to his opinion and to have different policies than others who think their's is the only way.

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Renew Deal

(81,860 posts)
3. I'm pretty sure that most people agree that not everyone needs to go to college
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 11:59 AM
Dec 2019

It's not a controversial opinion.

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Demsrule86

(68,582 posts)
5. That is true. Not everyone can go to college...not everyone has the ability. And some jobs
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 12:15 PM
Dec 2019

shouldn't require college. We need all sorts of jobs and what we need is to up the minimum wage and raise salaries for all.

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Renew Deal

(81,860 posts)
6. One thing has nothing to do with the other.
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 12:16 PM
Dec 2019

Both things are true. Not everyone needs to go to college and not everyone can go for various reasons.

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Undecided
 

Demsrule86

(68,582 posts)
10. Of course it has to do with free college...you can't separate the issues...this is not an attack but
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 12:25 PM
Dec 2019

a difference in policy...tame for some of Sirota's post and twitter in general.

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Renew Deal

(81,860 posts)
20. Does everyone "need to go to college" in your opinion?
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 12:47 PM
Dec 2019
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Undecided
 

Demsrule86

(68,582 posts)
22. No, of course not. In fact if you read my posts...I am against free college with no income
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 01:03 PM
Dec 2019

limitations. I live in the Mid West...and want to see manufacturing jobs in wind and other green energy jobs come here. Many will not need college. We need a manufacturing plan. Not everyone can or wants to go to college...and you talk about income inequality...it will only increase if we don't have well paying jobs for those who don't go to college.

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aidbo

(2,328 posts)
8. People on the left don't like supposed people on the left using right wing arguments.
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 12:24 PM
Dec 2019

Quelle surprise.

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George II

(67,782 posts)
11. Which people "on the left" are "using right wing arguments"? I haven't seen that.
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 12:26 PM
Dec 2019
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Demsrule86

(68,582 posts)
13. People who disagree with Sen. Sanders and Sen. Warren's policies...Biden was told he should run in
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 12:28 PM
Dec 2019

the Republican primary basically for disagreeing about M4A.

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LonePirate

(13,424 posts)
27. Look up any MFA discussion on Twitter or here at DU and you will see it.
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 01:20 PM
Dec 2019

It’s quite rampant which makes somewhat surprised you haven’t seen it.

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George II

(67,782 posts)
29. Maybe we have a different perspective. I guess anyone who doesn't embrace medicare for all 100%....
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 01:22 PM
Dec 2019

....and say they don't are using right wing arguments.

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Demsrule86

(68,582 posts)
12. I don't think what Pete said is a right wing argument...it seems whenever anyone disagrees with
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 12:26 PM
Dec 2019

some of Sen. Sanders and Sen. Warren's policies...they are accused of being right wing. I think that is the attack not the policy disagreement.

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Joe Biden
 

Celerity

(43,402 posts)
25. saying Buttigieg, Biden, etc etc are using 'right wing' arguments is scurrilous
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 01:15 PM
Dec 2019

as is your smear

supposed people on the left


the actual RW would never support 99% of the main structural parts of any of our candidates' programmes, Buttigieg and Biden included

any and all of our candidates are as RW as Rump is honest

it is madness to call anything short of universal free tertiary education 'right wing'

the same goes for the bullshit smears (that I have seen 1000 times all over the net) that anything short of 100% full blown MFA and the evisceration of all most all forms of private insurance is 'right wing'

Bernie and his hired gun surrogates (many of who are openly hostile to our Party) do NOT get to define shit as to what is RW and what is not

their fucked up idea/definition of RW is basically ANYTHING that Bernie disagrees with
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Docreed2003

(16,862 posts)
17. Here's the thing that really disturbs me and it's a rehash of 2016 in many ways
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 12:36 PM
Dec 2019

I've seen this not just in regards to Pete but other candidates as well and I can't stand this type of discourse. It's not enough to have a disagreement on policy, it has to transcend that and say "Not only is this person wrong because of x, but they're an enemy because their "actively undermining what our agenda is" or "they're position is a blockade to what we want".

That mentality is juvenile, it's petty, and it does nothing but attempt to tear down candidates that we might disagree with. All three of those tweets transcends policy discussions and jumps right into attack Pete personally. How is that productive? And Sirota and Joy Gray do this repeatedly with every candidate that isn't there own, just like in 2016.

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Peacetrain

(22,877 posts)
19. This is why I do not trust Bernie Sanders with the Presidency.
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 12:43 PM
Dec 2019

He rehired the same people who blew up his campaign last time.

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MBS

(9,688 posts)
24. This is also my biggest problem with Bernie
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 01:08 PM
Dec 2019

— his staff.

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The Valley Below

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32. I'm a "The Buck Stops Here" Democrat.
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 01:46 PM
Dec 2019
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MBS

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33. Agreed.
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 02:02 PM
Dec 2019

And I do think that a candidate's choice of support staff, and treatment of that staff, is a very relevant predictor of his/her qualifications to be an effective president.

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Celerity

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21. and the POS Nathan J Robinson, who openly slurs Pete as a con man is still being posted here
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 01:00 PM
Dec 2019
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Demsrule86

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23. I would agree with that...there is too much trashing for having a difference of opinion for my l
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 01:04 PM
Dec 2019

liking...but policy was discussed here.

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TidalWave46

(2,061 posts)
28. Sirota stands in direct opposition to the party and progressive efforts.
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 01:21 PM
Dec 2019

Gray is a Trump enabler. It’s actually really disgusting how she threw Trump an assist and is now making money off of it.

People must be responsible with their votes. These two circus acts can not be a major player in an administration.

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George II

(67,782 posts)
31. What's up with Gray's "nOt EVeryoNe NeEDs to Go tO ColLegE."? Is that some kind of code?
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 01:43 PM
Dec 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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