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brooklynite

(94,729 posts) Thu Dec 5, 2019, 05:30 PM Dec 2019

Bloomberg unveils sweeping gun control plan

Politico

Michael Bloomberg rolled out his gun control platform Thursday afternoon in Aurora, Colo. — the town where an armed man opened fire in a movie theater in 2012, killing 12 people.

The billionaire businessman is calling for stronger background checks and permit requirements, aspirations that for years have stymied Democrats searching for bipartisan congressional support and coming up short.

Since entering the Democratic presidential primary last month, Bloomberg has been amplifying his gun control record as he seeks to win over a party that hasn’t settled on a frontrunner. Gun control is a popular issue with the left flank of the party that is otherwise distrustful of the former New York City mayor’s vast wealth — an estimated $54.7 billion — and routine financial support of Republicans over the years.

Bloomberg calls for a background check system that entails permits for all new gun buyers, police notification when owners have been prohibited from holding firearms and a crackdown on unlicensed sellers at gun shows or online, according to campaign officials. As mayor in 2009, Bloomberg oversaw a sting operation at gun shows around the country and turned over illegally bought firearms to federal authorities.

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Bloomberg unveils sweeping gun control plan (Original Post) brooklynite Dec 2019 OP

Nothing sweeping about that. crazytown Dec 2019 #1

I know right? Wawannabe Dec 2019 #2

Courts will never go along with holding a manufacturer liable. oldsoftie Dec 2019 #3

Repeal the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act. eom crazytown Dec 2019 #4

Still wont do it, IMO The Equal Protection clause in the Constitution would apply. oldsoftie Dec 2019 #6

Then there is no harm in repealing the Act. crazytown Dec 2019 #7

It Never Meant That ... PBC_Democrat Dec 2019 #8

So were Remington been "dishonest or disingenuous" crazytown Dec 2019 #9

Neither ... They Were Being Preventitive PBC_Democrat Dec 2019 #10

That will never happen. virgogal Dec 2019 #5

crazytown

(7,277 posts)

1. Nothing sweeping about that.

Reply to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Dec 5, 2019, 06:14 PM

Dec 2019

The minimum. No mention of a AWB, gun manufacturer liability.

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Wawannabe

(5,678 posts)

2. I know right?

Reply to crazytown (Reply #1)

Thu Dec 5, 2019, 06:26 PM

Dec 2019

Same old same old.

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oldsoftie

(12,602 posts)

3. Courts will never go along with holding a manufacturer liable.

Reply to crazytown (Reply #1)

Thu Dec 5, 2019, 06:32 PM

Dec 2019

Otherwise, people would start suing automakers, liquor & beer, food, etc, for the damages they cause. And you know how litigious we are!
Everyone KNOWS a gun will kill or injure you if you use it illegally to shoot someone. I guess gun mfgs could just start putting a warning label on them; "Warning. This weapon is only to be used for legal self defense and sport shooting". Liability removed!

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crazytown

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4. Repeal the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act. eom

Reply to oldsoftie (Reply #3)

Thu Dec 5, 2019, 06:37 PM

Dec 2019

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oldsoftie

(12,602 posts)

6. Still wont do it, IMO The Equal Protection clause in the Constitution would apply.

Reply to crazytown (Reply #4)

Thu Dec 5, 2019, 06:40 PM

Dec 2019

Targeted liability would equal unfair treatment of a legal product. Its nice to discuss it and all, but in reality the Congress would probably never pass any of that anyway Even a Democrat controlled one

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crazytown

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7. Then there is no harm in repealing the Act.

Reply to oldsoftie (Reply #6)

Thu Dec 5, 2019, 06:47 PM

Dec 2019

Gun control is an issue of values and intent. The point of the Act is that the manufacturer can NEVER be liable for the use of their product. This creates privileged, protected class. Scrap it.

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PBC_Democrat

(401 posts)

8. It Never Meant That ...

Reply to crazytown (Reply #7)

Thu Dec 5, 2019, 07:14 PM

Dec 2019

and anyone who says it does is being either dishonest or disingenuous.

The law still allows for damages for defective products and several companies have settle lawsuits for bad components.

No company is responsible for ILLEGAL use of their products. The PLCAA was enacted to prevent litigation-induced bankruptcy.

If I drive my Mustang into a crowd of people - Ford is NOT at fault.
If a tire comes off and my Mustang is out-of-control - Ford is at fault.

Beat someone to death with a hammer - Not Craftsman's fault.
Head of hammer flys off - Craftsman's fault

Most anything in a home or car (even the car) can be used to injure/kill someone. The problem is with the person not the device.

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crazytown

(7,277 posts)

9. So were Remington been "dishonest or disingenuous"

Reply to PBC_Democrat (Reply #8)

Thu Dec 5, 2019, 07:23 PM

Dec 2019

when they argued to SCOTUS that the PLCAA had a considerably wider application than bankruptcy?

https://qz.com/1683860/remington-arms-wants-scotus-to-affirm-its-legal-immunity/

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PBC_Democrat

(401 posts)

10. Neither ... They Were Being Preventitive

Reply to crazytown (Reply #9)

Thu Dec 5, 2019, 07:34 PM

Dec 2019

They're being sued for a crime committed with a weapon that they didn't produce.

Lanza was found to have a .223-caliber Bushmaster XM15-E2S rifle, a 10mm Glock 20SF handgun, and a 9mm SIG Sauer P226 handgun. Outside the school, an Izhmash Saiga-12 shotgun.

That's a little like me suing Chevrolet because a Ford ran over me.

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virgogal

(10,178 posts)

5. That will never happen.

Reply to crazytown (Reply #1)

Thu Dec 5, 2019, 06:38 PM

Dec 2019

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primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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