Democratic Primaries

Magoo48

(4,709 posts) Sat Dec 7, 2019, 06:26 AM Dec 2019

I have another primary candidate all picked out, thanks, Joe.

Fracking is absolutely devastating wherever it exists.

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2019/12/05/people-who-want-ban-fracking-immediately-says-joe-biden-oughta-vote-someone-else

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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I have another primary candidate all picked out, thanks, Joe. (Original Post) Magoo48 Dec 2019 OP

Warren's stance? Since my 1st choice suspended her campaign, I'm going with Warren. Thanks for p RestoreAmerica2020 Dec 2019 #1

Biden explains why he doesn't support a nationwide fracking ban (September 4, 2019) Scurrilous Dec 2019 #2

This comment is alarming. redqueen Dec 2019 #12

If he's not aware of the facts he didn't pay attention. The harm fracking does has been proven Autumn Dec 2019 #21

No, the greed-extraction-profit at any cost paradigm is a fucking clown show. Deplete and destroy Magoo48 Dec 2019 #34

😵 Duppers Dec 2019 #3

The problem is Joe sets the bar to low. brutus smith Dec 2019 #4

And some people promise pie in the sky. Scurrilous Dec 2019 #5

Boom! oldsoftie Dec 2019 #11

What is "Boom"? Magoo48 Dec 2019 #29

Illogical. Setting sights high is exactly the way to make urgently needed progress. JudyM Dec 2019 #17

+++ still_one Dec 2019 #26

Is it pie-in-sky to want a clean, livable environment? Magoo48 Dec 2019 #28

Agreed Sherman A1 Dec 2019 #6

Thanks for the update. BannonsLiver Dec 2019 #7

Thanks Joe. Just like other bad things, you go with Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2019 #8

This message was self-deleted by its author redqueen Dec 2019 #23

Incremental is code for status quo, greenwash, do nothing. Corporate voodoo. Magoo48 Dec 2019 #30

"incremental" is NOT "status quo". One is movement, the other is stagnation. oldsoftie Dec 2019 #36

No, it's code for getting rid of a monster Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2019 #39

Your 'news' source is FAR left left-of-center2012 Dec 2019 #9

So centrists are the least biased. MarcA Dec 2019 #20

Thank You. Where is Joe in relation to other candidates. He's not in the center. Magoo48 Dec 2019 #31

Glad you hold Joe's advice in high regard. beastie boy Dec 2019 #10

For those of us concerned about the environment this is disqualifying. Joe941 Dec 2019 #13

You oppose Biden's view that we need to transistion away from fracking? Kaleva Dec 2019 #14

So you are not voting for Biden if he is the nominee, right? beastie boy Dec 2019 #16

I'm talking about the primaries not the general. Joe941 Dec 2019 #18

So let me get this straight: Biden's position on fracking is disqualifying in the primaries but beastie boy Dec 2019 #22

Correct. You got it. Joe941 Dec 2019 #24

Got it. He is fit to run in Generals but not fit to run in Primaries. beastie boy Dec 2019 #25

Yes, for anyone aware of the immediacy of Climate Catastrophe. Magoo48 Dec 2019 #32

Western countries have all reduced emissions since 2000. China & India have increased over 100% oldsoftie Dec 2019 #37

Without support from both chambers of Congress, I don't think any president can ban fracking... Kaleva Dec 2019 #15

It would be nice tho to have support from the top. Magoo48 Dec 2019 #33

You have to do what you can do and NOW not just spout pretty plans and ideas Peacetrain Dec 2019 #19

I see us winning both the White House and the Senate. Magoo48 Dec 2019 #35

"Fracking is absolutely devastating wherever it exists" I live in Belmont doc03 Dec 2019 #27

From the comments section - a ray of sunshine bursts through the clouds. Scurrilous Dec 2019 #38

RestoreAmerica2020

(3,435 posts)

1. Warren's stance? Since my 1st choice suspended her campaign, I'm going with Warren. Thanks for p

Reply to Magoo48 (Original post)

Sat Dec 7, 2019, 06:41 AM

Dec 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Scurrilous

(38,687 posts)

2. Biden explains why he doesn't support a nationwide fracking ban (September 4, 2019)

Reply to Magoo48 (Original post)

Sat Dec 7, 2019, 06:42 AM

Dec 2019

<snip>

"Former Vice President Joe Biden said he would not support a nationwide fracking ban on Wednesday -- in part because he doesn’t believe any measure banning fracking could pass -- but the Delaware Democrat said he does support stopping all “oil drilling or gas drilling on federal lands.”

Biden’s position is the most common Democratic position, but other candidates in the race -- like Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders and New Jersey Sen. Cory Booker -- have pushed for a nationwide fracking ban.

Biden, in response to a question about fracking in Pennsylvania, said on Wednesday that the federal government has “less latitude in what we say we can and cannot do” on state lands.

“I think we should in fact be looking at what exists now and making a judgment whether or not the those in fact that are there, those wells that are there, whether or not they are dangerous, whether or not they have already done the damage,” Biden said.

Biden said the federal government “could pass national legislation” but that he doesn’t believe there are enough votes “to get it done.”

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/climate-crisis-town-hall-august-2019/h_8fa1928c4729b60d49901ecfd732f1c9

Common Dreams is a fucking clown show. Not to be taken seriously.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

redqueen

(115,103 posts)

12. This comment is alarming.

Reply to Scurrilous (Reply #2)

Sat Dec 7, 2019, 10:40 AM

Dec 2019

"I think we should in fact be looking at what exists now and making a judgment whether or not the those in fact that are there, those wells that are there, whether or not they are dangerous, whether or not they have already done the damage,” Biden said.

Unbelievable. Maybe he should reach out to PSR if he's somehow still not aware of the facts.

This is a great example of the kind of 'we should look into that' political response that makes people hate and distrust politicians.

A NEW FRACKING LANDSCAPE: REPORT ON RECENT SCIENCE SHOWS OVERWHELMING EVIDENCE OF HARM
03/13/2018

HEALTH PROFESSIONAL GROUPS RAISE ALARM THAT BUILD-OUT OF DRILLING AND FRACKING OPERATIONS IS CREATING A PUBLIC HEALTH CRISIS. EXPERTS AVAILABLE FOR INTERVIEWS.
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

Contact: Elana Simon, Communications Manager, Physicians for Social Responsibility
esimon@psr.org, 202-681-9169

As incontrovertible evidence of harm from fracking mounts and more health professionals raise the alarm, the fracking debate is taking place within an altered landscape. Today, as a growing body of scientific evidence confirms demonstrable health risks and harms from drilling and fracking operations and their attendant infrastructure, calls from the medical community for health-protective policies are growing louder. A new report by two leading health professional organizations—Physicians for Social Responsibility and Concerned Health Professionals of New York—tracks and analyzes the rapidly emerging science that points to the increasing dangers to health, including respiratory disease, cancer risk, and low birth weight and preterm birth, both of which are leading causes of infant death.

This evidence is of grave concern to health professionals, especially given that over 17 million Americans now live within a mile of an active oil or gas well. This population includes over a million young children and a million elderly people, two groups with special vulnerabilities to air pollution and contaminated water. Other studies show harm to infants born to mothers who live near drilling and fracking operations during their pregnancies. If carried out, the Trump administration’s plans to roll back federal regulations and expand fracking on public lands will further exacerbate these harmful impacts.

The new report, the Compendium of Scientific, Medical, and Media Findings Demonstrating Risks and Harms of Fracking, 5th Edition compiles and summarizes an avalanche of recent studies. Of more than 1,300 studies published on the effects of drilling and fracking, more than 90 percent have been published since 2013, and about a quarter were published in 2017 alone.

Several experts are available, upon request, for interviews about the new report and the issue more broadly.

...
https://www.psr.org/blog/2018/03/13/a-new-fracking-landscape-report-on-recent-science-shows-overwhelming-evidence-of-harm/

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

Autumn

(45,084 posts)

21. If he's not aware of the facts he didn't pay attention. The harm fracking does has been proven

Reply to redqueen (Reply #12)

Sat Dec 7, 2019, 05:07 PM

Dec 2019

and known for some time.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

Magoo48

(4,709 posts)

34. No, the greed-extraction-profit at any cost paradigm is a fucking clown show. Deplete and destroy

Reply to Scurrilous (Reply #2)

Sun Dec 8, 2019, 08:46 AM

Dec 2019

Is a fucking clown show. The MSM is a fucking clown show.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

Duppers

(28,120 posts)

3. 😵

Reply to Magoo48 (Original post)

Sat Dec 7, 2019, 06:57 AM

Dec 2019

Dang. Major conflict.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

brutus smith

(685 posts)

4. The problem is Joe sets the bar to low.

Reply to Magoo48 (Original post)

Sat Dec 7, 2019, 06:58 AM

Dec 2019

And we would end up with virtually nothing.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

Scurrilous

(38,687 posts)

5. And some people promise pie in the sky.

Reply to brutus smith (Reply #4)

Sat Dec 7, 2019, 07:03 AM

Dec 2019

And we again end up with nothing.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

oldsoftie

(12,536 posts)

11. Boom!

Reply to Scurrilous (Reply #5)

Sat Dec 7, 2019, 10:35 AM

Dec 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Magoo48

(4,709 posts)

29. What is "Boom"?

Reply to oldsoftie (Reply #11)

Sun Dec 8, 2019, 08:30 AM

Dec 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

JudyM

(29,248 posts)

17. Illogical. Setting sights high is exactly the way to make urgently needed progress.

Reply to Scurrilous (Reply #5)

Sat Dec 7, 2019, 12:20 PM

Dec 2019

Even if it doesn’t reach the desired altitude, it’s hella higher than business as usual plus incremental .01

These times demand going far beyond our status quo, IMO.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

still_one

(92,190 posts)

26. +++

Reply to Scurrilous (Reply #5)

Sat Dec 7, 2019, 08:07 PM

Dec 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Magoo48

(4,709 posts)

28. Is it pie-in-sky to want a clean, livable environment?

Reply to Scurrilous (Reply #5)

Sun Dec 8, 2019, 08:29 AM

Dec 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)

6. Agreed

Reply to brutus smith (Reply #4)

Sat Dec 7, 2019, 07:05 AM

Dec 2019

We really don’t have time for status quo or incremental steps in my view. There are simply to many environmental, economic and social issues about to come crashing down on our heads.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

BannonsLiver

(16,387 posts)

7. Thanks for the update.

Reply to Magoo48 (Original post)

Sat Dec 7, 2019, 08:12 AM

Dec 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)

8. Thanks Joe. Just like other bad things, you go with

Reply to Magoo48 (Original post)

Sat Dec 7, 2019, 09:26 AM

Dec 2019

an incremental shift away from bad things to minimize chaos and disruption.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #8)

redqueen This message was self-deleted by its author.

Magoo48

(4,709 posts)

30. Incremental is code for status quo, greenwash, do nothing. Corporate voodoo.

Reply to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #8)

Sun Dec 8, 2019, 08:33 AM

Dec 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

oldsoftie

(12,536 posts)

36. "incremental" is NOT "status quo". One is movement, the other is stagnation.

Reply to Magoo48 (Reply #30)

Sun Dec 8, 2019, 09:29 AM

Dec 2019

but for those who want all or nothing, thats exactly what you'll get; nothing

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)

39. No, it's code for getting rid of a monster

Reply to Magoo48 (Reply #30)

Sun Dec 8, 2019, 10:55 AM

Dec 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)

9. Your 'news' source is FAR left

Reply to Magoo48 (Original post)

Sat Dec 7, 2019, 10:07 AM

Dec 2019

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/common-dreams/

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

MarcA

(2,195 posts)

20. So centrists are the least biased.

Reply to left-of-center2012 (Reply #9)

Sat Dec 7, 2019, 04:53 PM

Dec 2019

According to the chart the more extreme centrist the better.
Unbiased is not synonymous with truth or values.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Magoo48

(4,709 posts)

31. Thank You. Where is Joe in relation to other candidates. He's not in the center.

Reply to left-of-center2012 (Reply #9)

Sun Dec 8, 2019, 08:35 AM

Dec 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

beastie boy

(9,345 posts)

10. Glad you hold Joe's advice in high regard.

Reply to Magoo48 (Original post)

Sat Dec 7, 2019, 10:34 AM

Dec 2019

So do I. We all have our priorities. Mine is to get rid of Trump. As far as I am concerned, your number one priority has no chance as long as my number one priority is not met. But you may have other ideas, and I welcome your sentiment, even though I don't quite understand how you envision it becoming a reality.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Joe941

(2,848 posts)

13. For those of us concerned about the environment this is disqualifying.

Reply to Magoo48 (Original post)

Sat Dec 7, 2019, 10:45 AM

Dec 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

Kaleva

(36,301 posts)

14. You oppose Biden's view that we need to transistion away from fracking?

Reply to Joe941 (Reply #13)

Sat Dec 7, 2019, 10:52 AM

Dec 2019

"he two discuss fracking as well. Biden tells the activist that "you can't ban fracking right now" because "you gotta transition away from it.""

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2019/12/05/people-who-want-ban-fracking-immediately-says-joe-biden-oughta-vote-someone-else

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

beastie boy

(9,345 posts)

16. So you are not voting for Biden if he is the nominee, right?

Reply to Joe941 (Reply #13)

Sat Dec 7, 2019, 10:59 AM

Dec 2019

Your "disqualifying" rhetoric is ridiculous. We all know where it leads. We all remember 2016.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Joe941

(2,848 posts)

18. I'm talking about the primaries not the general.

Reply to beastie boy (Reply #16)

Sat Dec 7, 2019, 03:12 PM

Dec 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

beastie boy

(9,345 posts)

22. So let me get this straight: Biden's position on fracking is disqualifying in the primaries but

Reply to Joe941 (Reply #18)

Sat Dec 7, 2019, 07:13 PM

Dec 2019

it is not disqualifying in the general election. Am I getting this right? Perhaps you should edit your post to make yourself clear.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Joe941

(2,848 posts)

24. Correct. You got it.

Reply to beastie boy (Reply #22)

Sat Dec 7, 2019, 07:43 PM

Dec 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

beastie boy

(9,345 posts)

25. Got it. He is fit to run in Generals but not fit to run in Primaries.

Reply to Joe941 (Reply #24)

Sat Dec 7, 2019, 07:53 PM

Dec 2019

Makes perfect sense!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Magoo48

(4,709 posts)

32. Yes, for anyone aware of the immediacy of Climate Catastrophe.

Reply to beastie boy (Reply #22)

Sun Dec 8, 2019, 08:38 AM

Dec 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

oldsoftie

(12,536 posts)

37. Western countries have all reduced emissions since 2000. China & India have increased over 100%

Reply to Magoo48 (Reply #32)

Sun Dec 8, 2019, 09:37 AM

Dec 2019

Until they start reducing, nothing any of the Western countries do will matter. The atmosphere has no borders & doesnt care where the CO2 is coming from.
And until nuclear power is a strong part of the equation, no REAL progress will be made as far as power generation without greenhouse gases is concerned. You cannot replace our power needs with wind & solar. We dont have storage capacity. Certainly fund research to come up with better options, but the current realities are what they are.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Kaleva

(36,301 posts)

15. Without support from both chambers of Congress, I don't think any president can ban fracking...

Reply to Magoo48 (Original post)

Sat Dec 7, 2019, 10:57 AM

Dec 2019

on state owned lands.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Magoo48

(4,709 posts)

33. It would be nice tho to have support from the top.

Reply to Kaleva (Reply #15)

Sun Dec 8, 2019, 08:39 AM

Dec 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

Peacetrain

(22,876 posts)

19. You have to do what you can do and NOW not just spout pretty plans and ideas

Reply to Magoo48 (Original post)

Sat Dec 7, 2019, 03:22 PM

Dec 2019

We can stop fracking from happening on Federal Lands. This is where you start. Fracking is a horror. We have to have action. Biden proposes action.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Magoo48

(4,709 posts)

35. I see us winning both the White House and the Senate.

Reply to Peacetrain (Reply #19)

Sun Dec 8, 2019, 08:58 AM

Dec 2019

I’m looking forward to a president with a much more vigorous and creative agenda in regards to our climate catastrophe and the dismantling of our greed ridden, vulture capitalist driven, unsustainable economy.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

doc03

(35,337 posts)

27. "Fracking is absolutely devastating wherever it exists" I live in Belmont

Reply to Magoo48 (Original post)

Sat Dec 7, 2019, 08:18 PM

Dec 2019

county Ohio. Belmont county has 646 horizontal wells in progress or producing, the most in the entire state.
So far the only adverse results I have seen is property values and rental rates have increased making it hard for
low income people to find housing. A multi billion dollar cracker plant will probably soon start construction. They say it will
provide around 10000 construction jobs over the next 5 years or more and several hundred permanent operating jobs.
It will also create thousands of spin off jobs in the area. What is devastating about that?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Scurrilous

(38,687 posts)

38. From the comments section - a ray of sunshine bursts through the clouds.

Reply to Magoo48 (Original post)

Sun Dec 8, 2019, 10:51 AM

Dec 2019

"Another misleading and erroneous report on Joe Biden by Common Dreams. Biden never said he is for fracking. He said that it has to be responsibly phased out. Apparently Common Dreams and the repliers here prefer to pay double or triple for their fuel costs for a few years?. What Common Dreams and the repliers to this article need is some Common Sense. Or perhaps you should tell Putin your scheme to discredit and smear Biden is transparent and doomed."

Send in the clowns...

"Clueless Joe, the Corporate Ho, again demonstrating that he is an idiot and a corporate shill."

"Biden and Obama have been Reagan Republicans since the early 21st century, at least. Biden is complicit in Obama’s many war crimes."

"I just wana say. Joe, feelie-up get your GD hands off of me!!! You are doing a LBJ here and just because you’ve grabbed both of my shoulders it doesn’t intimidate me or make me afraid of you, Feelie-Joe-Creepo.
(He probably has bad breath also)"

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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