Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumHillary Clinton's letter to Bernie thanking him for his help in 2016.
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Given Hillary Clinton's recent comments about Bernie and the thread on this forum that now has over 300 replies, I think it's only fair to post a 'Thank You' letter Hillary sent to Bernie toward the end of the GE and some videos regarding his work campaigning for her.
Link to tweet
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Also, here's Hillary speaking at a rally in North Carolina where she spend some time thanking Bernie for his efforts on her behalf. Starts at 1 minute 57 seconds.
And finally, here's a segment from Maddow where she also praises Bernie for his efforts during the GE, highlighting that he did 14 events in 5 days for her, and that was just the beginning.
Link to tweet
EDIT: Now people are saying he didn't endorse Hillary soon enough. Two things. First, he endorsed her on July 12th, before the convention.
Second, here's what Hillary had to say about candidates sticking it out until the end of a primary.
Link to tweet
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
LongtimeAZDem
(4,494 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BootinUp
(47,148 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
HerbChestnut
(3,649 posts)But fair is fair. If there's going to be a thread with 300 replies about how Bernie didn't do enough for Hillary in the GE, then people need to see the other side of the coin.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
OldRed2450
(710 posts)You want me to take that seriously?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
HerbChestnut
(3,649 posts)Hillary Clinton wrote Hillary Clinton's letter. So yes, I want you to take that seriously.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
redqueen
(115,103 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,328 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #20)
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booley
(3,855 posts)Funny how Sanders not being a registered Democrat never bothered anyone until he ran in a primary against Clinton.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
OldRed2450
(710 posts)I'm talking about Briahnna Joy. Bernie and his campaign threatened the convention. Are you serious now? Hillary's letter is common courtesy. If Bernie is the nominee, I hope he gets the same treatment. I think that's fair.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
HerbChestnut
(3,649 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
still_one
(92,190 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Response to HerbChestnut (Reply #14)
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George II
(67,782 posts)....for six weeks after the Convention closed? If you recall, when Barack Obama won the nomination in 2008 Hillary Clinton was out on the campaign trail 2-3 days after the Convention closed.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
HerbChestnut
(3,649 posts)Maybe that was a strategic decision. All I know is Bernie did dozens of campaign events for her leading up to the GE, including in states that for some reason Hillary decided not to visit.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)After the convention he missed a golden opportunity to use those SIX WEEKS to promote healing, forgiveness and unity. It was a critical time for his supporters to be encouraged to accept defeat gracefully and to move on by supporting the party's nominee. That was very odd... the behavior looks very much like sour grapes. It was one final opportunity to show TRUE COURAGE AND LEADERSHIP.
Sadly, none of those things happened. Instead, it seems that some people placed a higher value and importance in stewing in their own resentment, or trying to soothe their hurt feelings. That's the danger of pride and vanity.
I'll never forget Jane's election-day tweet either. She was basically giving everyone "permission" to vote third party. It could also be easily interpreted as giving her followers permission to vote for Trump. One thing is certain, her election day tweet did not promote unity or encourage her followers to vote for Democrats or for our party's nominee. She just couldn't help herself.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TexasTowelie
(112,194 posts)He didn't want to wait in case people decided that reading Bernie's account of the primaries wasn't important enough to purchase the book. The date the book was released was strategically timed to be just after the election, but before the time when some people purchase Christmas gifts.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ChiTownDenny
(747 posts)Bernie seems desperate.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
grantcart
(53,061 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)"Next 22 days" means it was written sometime around the 2nd week of October.
The Democratic convention was in July, and then Bernie promptly took 2 months off, before doing a bit of campaigning in September.
Don't gaslight us about how much Bernie campaigned for Hillary in 2016. We were paying attention at the time. We know the truth.
Sid
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
MrsCoffee
(5,801 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TexasTowelie
(112,194 posts)See post #49.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
The Valley Below
(1,701 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)...22 days before the election it was already October 17. Plus, it doesn't indicate if it is a "thank you" for one single event or several events.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,242 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ismnotwasm
(41,980 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
StevieM
(10,500 posts)She said that it hurt her that he didn't endorse her sooner. And indeed it did.
It was insane that he stayed in the race for so long after the voting had ended and she had clearly defeated him.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)They primary was effectively over on March 15. Bernie kept campaigning against Hillary for at least another 3 months.
Then vanished for almost 2 months after the convention.
Sid
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
evertonfc
(1,713 posts)who gives a rats hairy ass about the dynamic between those two then. It's an old fight and time to move on
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
HerbChestnut
(3,649 posts)Some people just can't let it go. The only reason I posted this thread is because the topic has become an issue in the primary all of a sudden, and it's only fair that people get to see all perspectives. Personally, I wish 2016 was put out to pasture.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
redqueen
(115,103 posts)🙄
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
LakeArenal
(28,817 posts)You cant claim a no rats ass when you posted the thread. Geez. Talk about both sides of the mouth.
You want 2016 in the pasture.
Not.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TwilightZone
(25,471 posts)Might want to look in the mirror.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
HerbChestnut
(3,649 posts)But Bernie catches a lot of flak on this forum, and I only felt it fair to defend him on this issue.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
treestar
(82,383 posts)So his behavior is up for analysis.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
oasis
(49,387 posts)to take the measure of a candidate according to his/her past actions.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MrsCoffee
(5,801 posts)Does not negate reality.
But please proceed....
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Midnight Writer
(21,765 posts)And if Bernie wins the nomination, I am confidant he will have Clinton's support (as well as mine), if he accepts it.
In the competitive Primaries, everyone should feel free to choose their candidate and to argue the reasoning behind their choice.
But once the Primaries are over, we need all to come together for the greater good, even if it rankles on some level.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
OldRed2450
(710 posts)That's fair. Lol
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)....get your spouse to tell people on Election Day that it doesn't matter who you vote for.
I'm in for that.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
OldRed2450
(710 posts)Talk about voting for the lesser of two evils, bus people to the convention to protest the nominee. I'm all for that.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
JoeOtterbein
(7,700 posts)Thanks for posting the truth!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)Also, the Convention closed on July 28, his first appearance for her was on Labor Day - about six weeks later.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
HerbChestnut
(3,649 posts)I remember this speech getting quite a positive reaction around here at the time.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)So what's your point?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
HerbChestnut
(3,649 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,328 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
KPN
(15,645 posts)okay. We all have our own perspectives. Good stuff. Thanks again for posting.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Wawannabe
(5,659 posts)Do you live in the US and can you vote here? I cannot see this in your profile and yesterday someone from Canada was impersonating a US voter here and stirring the pot.
US citizen? Or not?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
HerbChestnut
(3,649 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Wawannabe
(5,659 posts)I only asked because I cannot determine from your profile.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Wawannabe
(5,659 posts)Yesterday someone from Canada WHO CANNOT VOTE IN THE US was doing a lot of pot stirring. Since I cant see where the OP writer is from I ask a legit question.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TexasTowelie
(112,194 posts)since foreign interference in the 2016 U.S. elections occurred and because foreign interference is a topic in the impeachment trial and 2020 election.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
seaglass
(8,171 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Wawannabe
(5,659 posts)I said US citizen.
I had a legit question and asked it. No pot stirring but the OP is...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
seaglass
(8,171 posts)Your question was uncalled for.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Wawannabe
(5,659 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TexasTowelie
(112,194 posts)However, with the issue of foreign interference being part of the 2016 election and the allegations in the impeachment hearings it does become relevant when a member in a foreign country posts about what America "deserves" even if no malevolence is intended. It becomes a legitimate question when we have to consider outside influences on the elections. We've lost our innocence after the dirty tricks pulled by Trump and the Republicans so I don't blame anyone for being wary.
It's unfortunate that our members from foreign countries fall under the microscope, but when someone starts advocating for major structural changes and the promotion of socialist ideas it does raise eyebrows.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
helpisontheway
(5,008 posts)Bernie speaking out forcefully against it. In fact, his loyal lapdog Nina was front in center with the Burn or Bust crowd. There was Nina and Susan Sarandon stirring shit up.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
booley
(3,855 posts)There was some stuff that happened before and during the convention that gave Sanders supporters the distinct impression that the system was .. less than honest.
Michigan Super Delegates. New York purging the rolls. The Bernie Bros throwing chairs lie.
I know none of these will sway you. I could give other examples and they wouldn't' sway you. You don't appear to think Sanders supporters argue in good faith and probably don't care to understand why they may feel the way they do.
But it's there none the less. So from the Sanders campaign's POV there were very good reasons to protest at the convention.
It's a political convention. People can do that.
And personally I think when we ignore these problems, it only comes back to haunt us later.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
redqueen
(115,103 posts)Some people here seem to act like Sanders'supporters had no reason at all to be hostile.
As if.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
seaglass
(8,171 posts)This is Bernie's only play for Hillary voters - vote blue no matter who - even if it makes you
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Sloumeau
(2,657 posts)...and to hurt her. His waiting so long to back her definitely hurt her, and Hillary Clinton said so. After waiting so long, and probably after noticing how pissed off so many Democrats were getting about how Bernie Sanders was not helping Hillary, Bernie finally got around to backing her. Hillary thanked Bernie for the help he eventually gave her. That does not mean that he did not hurt her before he helped her.
Hillary Clinton backed Obama very soon after it was totally clear that Obama was going to win. It was because of class acts like that that so many backed her in 2016. More people voted for Hillary than Bernie in the 2016 Primary, and a whole lot of us remember how he dragged his feet in backing her. In my mind, it is the main reason why I believe that Bernie Sanders will not win the 2020 Democratic Primary--because the majority of us who voted for Hillary remember how he dragged his feet and how it hurt her. We remember it very, very well. The letter that you posted will not change that. If Bernie somehow manages to win the nomination, we who supported Hillary will vote for him. We will not do what many Bernie voters did and vote for some third-party candidate or Donald Trump. We are fiercely loyal to our party, and because of that, we will show the respect to Senator Bernie Sanders that neither Senator Bernie Sanders nor some of his fans showed to Hillary Clinton.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
seaglass
(8,171 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
HerbChestnut
(3,649 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Sloumeau
(2,657 posts)The Democratic Presidential Convention took place Aug 25, 2008 Aug 28, 2008
( Internet link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Democratic_National_Convention )
When did it become pretty clear that Obama was the nominee?: June 3, 2008
When did Hillary Clinton's aides let reporters know that Hillary Clinton was ready to concede?: June 4, 2008
( reference: The Wikipedia.com entitled, "Hillary Clinton 2008 presidential primary campaign" in the section entitled, "Obama becomes the presumptive presidential nominee"
Internet link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton_2008_presidential_primary_campaign#Obama_becomes_the_presumptive_presidential_nominee )
While it is true that Hillary waited to make her concession speech, she allowed her aides to tell reporters that she was ready to concede the day after it became clear that she had no chance to win, so everyone in the Obama camp and a lot of the members of the Democratic Party breathed a collective sigh of relief. However, some Hillary fans took longer to adjust to the idea of Hillary losing than others.
In the Vox.com article entitled, "Bernie-or-Busters are nothing like PUMAs" (Internet link: https://www.vox.com/mischiefs-of-faction/2016/7/28/12302406/bernie-or-busters-nothing-like-pumas ) we learn that there were Hillary fans in 2008 that did not want to give up just like there were Bernie fans in 2016 that did not want to give up. However, there were some important differences:
The yardstick that I and many other political observers have been using is the example of Hillary Clinton's 2008 presidential bid. The contest between Clinton and Barack Obama was considerably closer than this year's Clinton/Sanders contest, with Clinton having enjoyed an early advantage in national public opinion polls and endorsements. The 2008 contest was also far more negative than this year's was, with the candidates frequently questioning each other's likability and fitness for office.
It was obvious by spring of 2008 that that math was against Clinton. By the beginning of June, when the last of the primaries were held, she had come up short, and Barack Obama was the presumptive nominee.
But it was still nearly three months until the convention, and many of her ardent supporters were not prepared to give up. They were angry with Obama and his team. They felt he hadn't treated Clinton respectfully, that he'd won unfairly due to a number of disputed delegate counts in Michigan and elsewhere, and that Clinton was the true choice of the party's voters. Several of them created an organization called PUMA (officially, People United Means Action; unofficially, Party Unity My Ass) and threatened to vote for John McCain in the fall.
Judging from public opinion polls and my own observations on the convention floor, Clinton's most ardent backers overwhelmingly followed her enthusiastic endorsement of Obama. PUMA's threats never materialized. No Clinton delegates led a walkout during the convention or tried to shout over speakers.
Because Hillary had allowed her aides to tell reporters back on June 4 that she was ready to concede, she gave her supporters time to be mentally prepared to switch to Obama by the time the convention happened more than 2 months later. When Hillary gave a concession speech to Obama during that convention in August 2008 that was downright glowing, all of the Hillary supporting PUMAs fell in line. The Vox article thinks that the Bernie supporters were different because they were more activists than Democrats. However, I think the Hillary supporters falling in line by convention time was more because of the aides telling reporters so early that she was ready to concede. This gave Hillary's supporters time to accept the fact that Obama had won and to be ready to switch by convention time. Hardcore advocates need time to adjust, and Hillary's leak through reporters gave people the time that they needed.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Lexee
(377 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Sloumeau
(2,657 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Lexee
(377 posts)I really am a bit of a switch hitter. Not so much now that Harris stepped out. But still, I am between a couple of our primary candidates.
Klobuchar rocks.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)Surely there was reciprocity expressing the same sentiments, right?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,328 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)He could even have cribbed her thoughts:
Thank you for your kind letter.
I agree that here has never been a more important election in our lifetimes. It's who we are as a country. It's our values. It's our future. In America we respect and lift each other up, and celebrate our diversity. It's what makes us the greatest country in the world. And that's at stake in this election too.
Congratulations on your victory. I look forward to campaigning diligently on your behalf for the next 22 days.
All my best,
Bernie
Most polite people know how to pen a follow-up thank you note.
Where is his?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,328 posts)Weak af, indeed
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)We have a tweeted copy of Secretary Clinton's letter to Senator Sanders, so we have some idea of their communication - likely the entirety of it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Lexee
(377 posts)The best I hoped with Sanders was that he got out of HRC's way.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
EveHammond13
(2,855 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,328 posts)We have receipts!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
StevieM
(10,500 posts)HRC never said that he did nothing to help her.
She said that he took his time in conceding the race and endorsing her.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)....to send out thank you letters to many people:
https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS725US725&sxsrf=ACYBGNQOSjcJ5jXhwOzP8l9h2BbKP_sbkg:1575738370939&q=hillary+clinton+thank+you+letter&tbm=isch&source=univ&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi28u7ugqTmAhWymuAKHRByDbAQsAR6BAgJEAE&biw=1280&bih=597
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Peacetrain
(22,876 posts)No matter how much you want to hit the other side, because you feel your side is being maligned..
A. get your facts straight
B. get your dates straight
If you do not have those two things in perfect sync.. it is never going to work out.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
HerbChestnut
(3,649 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
lapucelle
(18,258 posts)Who on earth would ever trust the judgement of a Trump enabler?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
HerbChestnut
(3,649 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
lapucelle
(18,258 posts)Bribri worked right up until election day in 2016 to make sure that the Democrat wasn't elected.
Jill Stein voters disgust me. This one especially so.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden