I keep saying I get it - and I'm not bashing Biden's plan.

What I am alarmed by is his comment that Americans don't want M4A. When he says shit like that, he is selling their spin.

It doesn't matter if the polls show that, NOW, after a year of bombardment from the industry - we all know very well how this system that is in place works. And we should NOT be feeding into the industry's lies because that will only hinder real progress.

He can defend his plan without doing that. If he can't, he needs to learn how.

#GOPHEALTHCAREONDAY1 + 2 years, 320 days, 23 hours, 53 minutes and 13 seconds it was going to cover everyone and be the best golden level coverage all given by trump and the gop M4A and god/trump was going to give it to america on day1


And America DID VOTE FOR IT

sight unseen plan never made

and the media went with it

and so did the gop

either support or supported universal or single payer health coverage in theory have fallen prey to industry money/media influence. It goes beyond understanding and dealing with political risk. We have folks here who actually believe single payer can never work in theory ... though most of the rest of the developed nations around the globe have it. Must be "American exceptionalism".

In the end, you can only achieve what you strive for by actually striving for it.

Even enlightened people fall prey to propaganda, sadly.

Just wish more were enlightened *enough* to stop themselves from doing it.

Can't get there without going there.

WEALTHcare industry leaders poured money into the pockets of their friends and enablers in DC and the media. BILLIONS spent on propaganda, lobbyists, buying congresspeople.

They will do the same to fight this tooth and nail every time it's brought up - to protect their PROFITS - at the expense of American health and lives. Corprats are psychopathic entities.

Read 'Deadly Spin' by Wendell Potter. He used to work for Aetna and became a whistleblower. This was during the time ACA was being worked out. He's got the inside scoop about how Big Insurance, Big Pharma, and Big Medical WEALTHcare industry fought ACA and particularly the public option. THEY are why it wasn't in there to begin with.

Whether people like it or not.

Thank you for pointing this out. People tend to forget that it's not what's right and fair that will win, it's not what SHOULD win in a decent society that will win. It is whatever wins the public opinion war, and that ain't a fair fight.

But ANY* of our candidates will be a damn sight better than what is on the other side, so we need to figure out how to get public opinion on the side of the person on the Democratic line for president in the GE. Even if that person doesn't have the most perfect possible policies.


* Any, excepting one that I know of, and that one doesn't have a snowball's chance ... not sure why that one is even still in the race.

Call me dense but I have no idea what you are talking about.

Reality is just reality, failing to acknowledge and plan for it will lead to failure.

Wait ...

Are you saying that's how you'll feel if your preferred candidate doesn't get the nomination and we have the unmitigated gall to expect your support for the nominee??

Realizing what we are up against is the first step to overcoming it.

Trying for nothing other than what they allow us to have does nothing to overcome the problem. Dems need to be out there showing people how the industry is poisoning the well. I don't see that happening though. Do you?

on a recent MSNBC appearance. Which is the general version of what is happening with M4A.

That is when I "badged" to him here. (I have no delusions that he will be the nominee. I just want him to get a little more platform to speak, because when I've heard him, he's said important things and said them well.)

but decided to put Bernie back on as my badge because I support him for the nominee and IMO he has a good chance. Tom's voice in the debates is very important.

....last year at this time no one had started campaigning on eliminating private insurance.

However it's possible to acknowledge that while a few people do have actually good plans they want to keep, we need to work toward a system where it's not just the lucky few who have access to that kind of care.

Lets be honest. The healthcare lobbyists aren't stupid. They give money to both parties.

So when someone sees an Elected Democrat putting his name on an anti M4A opinion piece that was actually written by lobbyists, that has an effect.

When a major Democratic candidate says the party isn't ready for M4A, he's not talking about the voters.

Did so without mentioning MFA eliminates private insurance. Actual support has never been as high as 70%.

There's a lot of talk that been introduced to muddy the waters.

The fact is most said they support M4A.

https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-election-progressives/

You tell them they may have to pay for it and will have no other options, then support sinks like a rock.

We won't be changing the system in one fell swoop.

But we also shouldn't be continually shooting ourselves in the foot