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Uncle Joe

(58,362 posts)
Sat Dec 7, 2019, 05:59 PM Dec 2019

Amazon was valued at $1 trillion but pays $0 in federal taxes. So imagine my surprise






'We Were Proven Right,' Says AOC After Amazon Expands in New York Without Taking Billions in Public Cash

Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez suggested the Trump administration "focus more on cutting public assistance to billionaires instead of poor families" after news broke Friday that Amazon was expanding its presence in New York City without the state giving the company billions in tax incentives.

(snip)

The decision by the online giant to lease 335,000 square feet of office space in Manhattan and employee 1,500 employees in the consumer and advertising departments was first reported by the Wall Street Journal.

The announcement came roughly 10 months after Amazon announced it was ditching its widely condemned plan to locate a second headquarters site in Long Island City, Queens—a plan for which New York state would have given the online giant nearly $3 billion in tax incentives.

Ocasio-Cortez was among that plan's most vocal critics, asking at the time, "Why should corporations that contribute nothing to the pot be in a position to take billions from the public?"

(snip)

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2019/12/07/we-were-proven-right-says-aoc-after-amazon-expands-new-york-without-taking-billions



There are multiple tweets from AOC on the link.
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Amazon was valued at $1 trillion but pays $0 in federal taxes. So imagine my surprise (Original Post) Uncle Joe Dec 2019 OP
Doing the people work... JoeOtterbein Dec 2019 #1
I agree. warmfeet Dec 2019 #12
Probably the most significant no, ever. Did Jeff Prosper Dec 2019 #2
I suspect Uncle Joe Dec 2019 #3
The only thing god can't do is create a humble billionaire. Prosper Dec 2019 #5
Classic subject line! Duppers Dec 2019 #16
Already thoroughly discussed and debunked. nt TexasTowelie Dec 2019 #4
Closed topic or open to new perspectives ? Prosper Dec 2019 #6
It's closed for me. TexasTowelie Dec 2019 #7
Really? charliea Dec 2019 #14
What contribution did either Bernie or AOC make getting those new jobs? TexasTowelie Dec 2019 #15
"I don't think you are in the position about what I should or should not be celebrating" ChubbyStar Dec 2019 #27
It means that I have my own opinion TexasTowelie Dec 2019 #29
This message was self-deleted by its author Prosper Dec 2019 #21
I believe it's just beginning. n/t Uncle Joe Dec 2019 #8
See post #7. nt TexasTowelie Dec 2019 #9
Cut Public Assisstance to Billionaires- sagesnow Dec 2019 #10
Cut deductions squirecam Dec 2019 #11
Are you proposing a nationwide flat tax for everybody? TexasTowelie Dec 2019 #19
We are targeting the wealthy squirecam Dec 2019 #24
So if you make over $1 million in income, TexasTowelie Dec 2019 #25
Your proposal would seriously damage the economy. Blue_true Dec 2019 #26
This message was self-deleted by its author The Mouth Dec 2019 #13
K & R Duppers Dec 2019 #17
I'm sorry to see that AOC is spinning this' wnylib Dec 2019 #18
+1 TexasTowelie Dec 2019 #20
That's too bad. I would not like to see that. wnylib Dec 2019 #23
How disruptive would 25000 jobs be in the income tier with the absolute lowest unemployment rate. Prosper Dec 2019 #22
Stealing from the poorest while providing welfare to the wealthiest. democratisphere Dec 2019 #28
In return we get The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel tirebiter Dec 2019 #30
 

JoeOtterbein

(7,700 posts)
1. Doing the people work...
Sat Dec 7, 2019, 06:13 PM
Dec 2019

...AOC and Bernie are great for me!

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warmfeet

(3,321 posts)
12. I agree.
Sat Dec 7, 2019, 07:41 PM
Dec 2019

They are both wonderful.

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Prosper

(761 posts)
2. Probably the most significant no, ever. Did Jeff
Sat Dec 7, 2019, 06:18 PM
Dec 2019

have a twinge of conscious?

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Uncle Joe

(58,362 posts)
3. I suspect
Sat Dec 7, 2019, 06:23 PM
Dec 2019

more a twinge of public relations based on an understanding of which way the wind is blowing.

That's my gut feeling anyway.

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Prosper

(761 posts)
5. The only thing god can't do is create a humble billionaire.
Sat Dec 7, 2019, 06:35 PM
Dec 2019

I’ll support your business decision!

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Duppers

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16. Classic subject line!
Sat Dec 7, 2019, 09:25 PM
Dec 2019
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TexasTowelie

(112,202 posts)
4. Already thoroughly discussed and debunked. nt
Sat Dec 7, 2019, 06:35 PM
Dec 2019
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Prosper

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6. Closed topic or open to new perspectives ?
Sat Dec 7, 2019, 06:37 PM
Dec 2019
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TexasTowelie

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7. It's closed for me.
Sat Dec 7, 2019, 06:50 PM
Dec 2019

Believing that getting 1,500 jobs is an accomplishment when Amazon was prepared to bring 25,000 jobs isn't anything that Bernie or AOC should boast about. Their attempt to spin it is humorous though.

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charliea

(260 posts)
14. Really?
Sat Dec 7, 2019, 09:03 PM
Dec 2019

1500 new jobs, at no expense to the state or city, sounds pretty good to me. The cost to the city and state of tax incentives in Amazon's original demand of 3 billion for supposedly 23,500 more jobs would work out to about $127,659/job. Seems like you should be celebrating reduce government spending at the public's expense, why aren't you?
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TexasTowelie

(112,202 posts)
15. What contribution did either Bernie or AOC make getting those new jobs?
Sat Dec 7, 2019, 09:22 PM
Dec 2019

From my perspective it looks like they did absolutely nothing. Taking credit for doing nothing is outlandish.

I don't think you are in the position about what I should or should not be celebrating, nor am I overly concerned about what your opinion is. Have a good day.

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ChubbyStar

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27. "I don't think you are in the position about what I should or should not be celebrating"
Sun Dec 8, 2019, 01:04 AM
Dec 2019

WTF does this mean?

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TexasTowelie

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29. It means that I have my own opinion
Sun Dec 8, 2019, 01:39 AM
Dec 2019

and that the other poster shouldn't tell me that my opinion is incorrect.

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Uncle Joe

(58,362 posts)
8. I believe it's just beginning. n/t
Sat Dec 7, 2019, 06:51 PM
Dec 2019
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sagesnow

(2,824 posts)
10. Cut Public Assisstance to Billionaires-
Sat Dec 7, 2019, 07:02 PM
Dec 2019

AOC totally Rocks!

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squirecam

(2,706 posts)
11. Cut deductions
Sat Dec 7, 2019, 07:31 PM
Dec 2019

If a corporation or millionaire make $, they should pay a flat %. No deductions.

This prevents Amazon paying $0 in taxes.

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TexasTowelie

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19. Are you proposing a nationwide flat tax for everybody?
Sat Dec 7, 2019, 09:34 PM
Dec 2019

If they are imposed only on corporations or millionaires then those affected will be correct in stating that Democrats are targeting the wealthy--that isn't a great way to win an election since the wealthy can pour plenty of money into the opposition campaign and advertisements to fight such a proposal. There will be plenty of discussion as to whether those taxes are fair and public opinion still leans in favor of doing what is fair since most Americans still believe that there is mobility in their social class (even though the evidence contradicts it).

Flat taxes are notoriously regressive and in the past those suggestions were made exclusively by Republicans. I don't think we (Democrats) want to go there.

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squirecam

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24. We are targeting the wealthy
Sun Dec 8, 2019, 12:43 AM
Dec 2019

With a wealth tax or by income. That’s what they will say anyway.

If you make over a certain sum, say 1 million in income, yes you should have no deductions.

It should never be that one can pay $0 in taxes and make millions in income.

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TexasTowelie

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25. So if you make over $1 million in income,
Sun Dec 8, 2019, 12:53 AM
Dec 2019

but also have over $1 million in expenses the taxpayer must still pay a flat tax and the deductions are not allowed? That doesn't sound fair to me.

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Blue_true

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26. Your proposal would seriously damage the economy.
Sun Dec 8, 2019, 01:03 AM
Dec 2019

What I would do is allow small business owners to file their business taxes seperate my from their personal taxes and take the type of writeoffs that corporations take, that would be a boon for small business and employment.

A corporation that runs up loses on it's way to being profitable should be able to write those loses off against revenue. That often results in companies paying no taxes on gross profits and as a result, those gross profits get recorded as net profits. If you take that away then there is no reason to invest in new plants, equipment and research unless the investment is 100% guaranteed to produce a large profit immediately, a presupposition that is insane. I would expand business writeoffs to allow sole proprietorships and industrial LLCs to do the identical writeoffs that corporations do, such a change would allow those smaller companies to have a better chance at surviving and retaining and creating jobs.

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wnylib

(21,466 posts)
18. I'm sorry to see that AOC is spinning this'
Sat Dec 7, 2019, 09:29 PM
Dec 2019

as a victory because I believe she was right in the first place to oppose corporate extortion, even though it meant that Amazon pulled out. I like AOC.

But I hoped for more honesty from her. This office which will employ around 1500 people is not related to the.deal for 25,000 jobs that Amazon backed away from. It was planned long ago as a separate, different part of rhe business.

It would be a victory only if Amazon had reconsidered the deal that it dropped earlier and accepted the non extortion terms. But they didn't, so she should not spin it as if they did.

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TexasTowelie

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20. +1
Sat Dec 7, 2019, 09:39 PM
Dec 2019

The spin is why AOC is already drawing several challengers for the next primary.

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wnylib

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23. That's too bad. I would not like to see that.
Sat Dec 7, 2019, 10:22 PM
Dec 2019

I really like AOC and believe she can grow into a good leader.in the party. We need fresh, young people for the future.

I respecr our older, experienced members, especially Pelosi.who is, thank God, just what we need in these times. But I grew up in a more liberal time.thsn today, when there was even such a thing as liberal Republicsns, before the RW weeded them out. I have seen ALL.of us, as a nation, grow more conservative.

But since I have lived through more liberal times, AOC does not seem as radical to me as she does to some people. I welcome fresh new progressive ideas and people into the party.even.though I am a bit more moderate myself.

Young people make mistakes and grow from them. I think AOC has a lot to offer now and more in the future as she gains more experience.

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Prosper

(761 posts)
22. How disruptive would 25000 jobs be in the income tier with the absolute lowest unemployment rate.
Sat Dec 7, 2019, 10:08 PM
Dec 2019

Amazon would be raiding already established jobs. How would companies losing those jobs replace them. Too much blind credit and reverence is given to Billionaires.

Additionally:
ImageGotham Gazette
Amazon Was Never Going to Create 25,000 Jobs in Queens
how much were queens jobs going to pay at amazon from www.gothamgazette.com
Mar 6, 2019 · Amazon Was Never Going to Create 25,000 Jobs in Queens ... Second, Amazon didn't want to pay the full cost of acquiring the ... As much as some supporters have pointed to the construction and ...

https://www.gothamgazette.com/opinion/8327-amazon-was-never-going-to-create-25-000-jobs-in-queens

Go Bernie and AOC !!!


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democratisphere

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28. Stealing from the poorest while providing welfare to the wealthiest.
Sun Dec 8, 2019, 01:11 AM
Dec 2019

America's new normal.

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tirebiter

(2,537 posts)
30. In return we get The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel
Sun Dec 8, 2019, 01:45 AM
Dec 2019

Priceless.

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