Pretty much any other leader for Labour who advocated the same positions as Corbyn (except his ugly anti-semitism) would have trounced the Conservatives. Labour lost due to their leader, not their message or policies. If Labour held been led by a British version of Trudeau, Labor would have a decisive victory.

Is it the person or the policies?

Sometimes you can hold your nose and vote for someone you don't like much if you favor their policies, and I would think that principle applies everywhere. I've often wondered whether a liberal Trump could be elected. Would we vote for a crude, nasty, boorish oaf who promised Medicare for All, free college, action on climate change, and all the other desired liberal goals over a polite, civil, likable candidate who stuck with the standard GOP platform? Do people vote for the candidate or the party?

...and another 10 of those years was "New Labour" under Blair, whom some people here feel wasn't a "real" Labourite...

He's hardly out there singing the Internationale.

Blair was much like Bill Clinton. Trudeau is Gavin Newsom. Similar look too.

I've learned over many decades of rejecting the Republican Party writ large.

It pains me that our leading candidate would use "winning in a walk" at a fundraiser.

No, no, no Mr. Biden, this is not a winning message. What will you do for US?

some Dems may not agree with Joe. I'm all American, no party bias.

Joe won't be President if he keeps spitting on the "far left"

The Lib Dems picked up a grand total of 11 seats ...Their leader was booted out of office .. Corbyn's Labour Party gained 32 seats in 2017 - far better than they did under the leadership of 'centrist" Ed Milliband in 2015 ...…..Why didn't Corbyn get crushed 2 years ago if the British people are so afraid of the "Far-Left" ? … Corbyn botched Brexit by not taking a stand on the issue and was dogged by accusations of Anti-Semitism …….

Populist-socialism is toxic. That's not a path that good liberals should follow.

Wake up call.

"Populist-socialism" ? Yes, Valley, toxic is the call to divide US. Mr. Biden and his supporters should cease and desist. imo

We are the party of liberal democracy. That's our proud heritage. I stand we with our tradition.

And against the populist-socialism of Jeremy Corbyn and his ilk. It is a toxic ideology that I reject completely as a third generation life-long liberal Democrat.

I'll see your three kick ass donkeys for one whoop ass at the polls.

We would not want to offer an actual alternative to the GOP.

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Biden is not wrong except when he corrects himself.

Funny & true!!!!

Although I'm sure the GOP would try to say that Bernie is "anti Bernie" too!

having the notorious anti-Semite, Jeremy Corbyn, as the PM of the UK or having Bernie Sander as the President of the United States?

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touting of it as "proof" that Bernie and his ideas are the only way to defeat conservatives.

But since Corbyn lost, the outcome is irrelevant because "We are not the UK."

See also: "Single Payer is the only path to UHC! The UK and Canada do it, so can we!"

The UK election has zero bearing on the upcoming US Presidential election. Two different countries, facing completely different issues.

A deeply unpopular opposition leader, with no clear policy on the most pressing issue of the day, Brexit. 37% of people that didn't vote Labour said it was because of Corbyn, and a further 20% said it was because of the lack of clarity on Brexit.

Basically nothing to do with being "too far left".

Ridiculous analogy.

There is no "far left" in American political Parties.

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The Brexit result was a surprise (Remain was leading the polls). Later that year, Trump wins (we can all agree that was a shock!). Although Johnson was expected to win yesterday, polls showed things within reach for Labour. The results end up being a shellacking in the Tories’ favor!

Polling has me worried that no one truly knows where races stand anymore. I’ve noticed over the last couple of years that people are quite right-lipped when it comes to politics. It’s harder to know what people are thinking. With so many short triggers on the people who are politically passionate, those that aren’t super engaged just keep their mouths shut. They don’t want to get into political debate. Therefore, until they vote, we don’t know what people are thinking.

Not having a good handle on what the electorate is thinking has me very worried, and yesterday’s UK election didn’t help ease my concern!

She was the last Democrat to lose in the GE.

The right in the UK won the election but may lose Scotland and Northern Ireland. Way too much is already made of that short term victory by Johnson.

Anyone who disputes the notion of electability might as well be reincarnated as a jack o lantern.

Swing states are no longer swing states when our candidate is shoving from the far left. I have mentioned this many times: Swing states are ones with an ideological breakdown roughly the same as the nation, which means 9% more self-identified conservatives than liberals, like 36-27. You can see right there the deficit we face. No margin for error. We are already in need of left-leaning moderates to barely push us over the top. I have no idea why it isn't obvious than when you nominate someone too far left, that 36% pushes upward toward 50% range in a hurry. It simply has far less ground to cover than the 27%.

A male moderate has more voters who will seriously consider him, than any other combo from our side. I'd be thrilled with a female liberal but I'm not dense enough not to recognize all the doors slammed in front of her.

This is from the OP's daughter

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