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Joe BidenCongratulations to our presumptive Democratic nominee, Joe Biden!
 

MineralMan

(146,336 posts)
Sun Dec 15, 2019, 03:39 PM Dec 2019

I don't care which primary candidate you vote for, but

please make sure you ask yourself whether that candidate truly has the potential to beat Trump. Even in an election that may be challenged by various attempts to manipulate it. Ask that question of yourself before you cast your ballot. We cannot survive another Trump term in office.

We must win in 2020! Think long and hard.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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I don't care which primary candidate you vote for, but (Original Post) MineralMan Dec 2019 OP
But...but... what about MY personal values?? The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2019 #1
Well...hmm...and what values might those be? MineralMan Dec 2019 #3
My personal values demand Mr.Bill Dec 2019 #16
I agree with this guy BeyondGeography Dec 2019 #2
I don't, I'm afraid. Joe's just being a good Democrat there, MineralMan Dec 2019 #4
How novel, huh? LongtimeAZDem Dec 2019 #5
Well, Joe Biden's a gentlemanly guy. MineralMan Dec 2019 #6
That was from August!! The scenario has since changed. Head to head match ups no longer Thekaspervote Dec 2019 #12
Yes they do BeyondGeography Dec 2019 #15
I hope that at the end we will resign to the fact of steady and reliable and not revolutionary question everything Dec 2019 #7
Yes, I hope so too. MineralMan Dec 2019 #9
We played it safe in 2016 ritapria Dec 2019 #11
Poll numbers do not support a far left candidate. NYT/Sienna poll has some eye popping numbers Thekaspervote Dec 2019 #13
and the DNC pushed for Hillary because "it was her Turn" INdemo Dec 2019 #17
I am not a historian but I don't think that we'e ever faced such a threat as Trump question everything Dec 2019 #18
Well said. nt redqueen Dec 2019 #23
I'm an example evertonfc Dec 2019 #8
Thanks for thinking about this. It's going to be very important. MineralMan Dec 2019 #10
Asked and answered. blm Dec 2019 #14
Except too many voters do not see Trump as corrupt who needs to be removed question everything Dec 2019 #20
Majority know he's dishonest, admit his self-dealing and his abuse of power blm Dec 2019 #21
That pretty much rules out your candidate. Voltaire2 Dec 2019 #19
Washington Post-It's easy to see how Trump can win reelection Gothmog Dec 2019 #22
 

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,881 posts)
1. But...but... what about MY personal values??
Sun Dec 15, 2019, 03:42 PM
Dec 2019

What if I have to betray MY OWN personal principles in order to vote for someone who doesn't believe exactly the same things I do? That's, like, just SO WRONG!

(Just in case: )

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

MineralMan

(146,336 posts)
3. Well...hmm...and what values might those be?
Sun Dec 15, 2019, 03:44 PM
Dec 2019

Please share.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Mr.Bill

(24,334 posts)
16. My personal values demand
Sun Dec 15, 2019, 05:30 PM
Dec 2019

that Donald Trump and his entire crime family die in prison.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

MineralMan

(146,336 posts)
4. I don't, I'm afraid. Joe's just being a good Democrat there,
Sun Dec 15, 2019, 03:45 PM
Dec 2019

and not dissing other Democrats.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

MineralMan

(146,336 posts)
6. Well, Joe Biden's a gentlemanly guy.
Sun Dec 15, 2019, 03:49 PM
Dec 2019

Comes with his age group, pretty much, at least among long-time Democrats.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Thekaspervote

(32,803 posts)
12. That was from August!! The scenario has since changed. Head to head match ups no longer
Sun Dec 15, 2019, 04:44 PM
Dec 2019

Support that

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

question everything

(47,544 posts)
7. I hope that at the end we will resign to the fact of steady and reliable and not revolutionary
Sun Dec 15, 2019, 03:52 PM
Dec 2019

Not this time.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

MineralMan

(146,336 posts)
9. Yes, I hope so too.
Sun Dec 15, 2019, 04:06 PM
Dec 2019

I'm not convinced that we will do so, though.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

ritapria

(1,812 posts)
11. We played it safe in 2016
Sun Dec 15, 2019, 04:36 PM
Dec 2019

We went for the centrist with the best resume... Remember ? … The most qualified candidate in US History who couldn't draw crowds - but wouldn't scare anyone away in the General.....The GOP nominee is raving lunatic, after all ..We played it safe in 2000 and 2004 as well ... Crowd Size doesn't matter ..Right ? ….Wrong . It is a strong lead indicator that the base won't turn out in sufficient numbers to get the job done .. In 2008, Remember a certain inexperienced US Senator with the Muslim Name ? … America wasn't ready to elect a Black President ...Sure he's creating a huge grass-roots movement and drawing huge crowds …...We didn't play it safe - and won ..

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Thekaspervote

(32,803 posts)
13. Poll numbers do not support a far left candidate. NYT/Sienna poll has some eye popping numbers
Sun Dec 15, 2019, 04:48 PM
Dec 2019

Voters are fairly clear about what they would like from a Democrat. They prefer, by 82% to 11%, one who promises to find common ground over one who promises to fight for a progressive agenda; and they prefer a moderate over a liberal, 75% to 19%.


They support Biden over the president, 38% to 27%, but prefer the president to Warren, 37% to 20%. Sanders is in between, with the president leading him, 34% to 32%. This group voted for Trump by a smaller margin in 2016, 37% to 30%, with the rest casting ballots for minor candidates.

The link within the DU post doesn’t work, but it is searchable via internet

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287336368#post2

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

INdemo

(6,994 posts)
17. and the DNC pushed for Hillary because "it was her Turn"
Sun Dec 15, 2019, 05:38 PM
Dec 2019

Check the History of Democratic candidates. Every time Democrats (as in the DNC) have pushed for a "play it safe" candidate or a candidate that was a veteran Democrat that had been around for a long time and it was their turn, Democrats have lost.
Unknown candidates that have won John F Kennedy,Jimmy Carter,Bill Clinton, no one knew Harry Truman except he was a VP
and of course Barrack Obama and the list goes on.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

question everything

(47,544 posts)
18. I am not a historian but I don't think that we'e ever faced such a threat as Trump
Sun Dec 15, 2019, 05:55 PM
Dec 2019

and Trumpism. Too many voters hate anything Democrat and will not need a strong excuse to vote NO. Too many people love the pugnaciousness of Trump. Too many people are anarchists, want to "drain the swamp" even though, of course, Trump and Guiliani are the new swamp. Too many people, worldwide, do not trust governments or any institutions though, of course, they benefit from them and will go to the street - look at Paris now - to protest when governments no longer work for them.

Sadly, this mistrust started with the election of Trump or, I suppose, the Brexit vote several months earlier. It is our responsibility, really, to show the rest of the world the way to get back to normal, to trust institutions.

Several months ago I suggested that Biden state that he would serve just one term and many immediately disagreed. This way, someone said, he will be a lame duck from day one.

But I think that, really, if he wins, he will. And perhaps four years will be enough to start restoring normalcy. And then some who want can start a revolution.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

evertonfc

(1,713 posts)
8. I'm an example
Sun Dec 15, 2019, 04:03 PM
Dec 2019

of someone who isn't excited by Biden and more politically like Sanders. However, me and most people i know that supported Sanders in 2016 are supporting Biden because he will be Trump. Trump is scared to death of Biden. His conduct the last 24 months is evidence.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

MineralMan

(146,336 posts)
10. Thanks for thinking about this. It's going to be very important.
Sun Dec 15, 2019, 04:08 PM
Dec 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

blm

(113,102 posts)
14. Asked and answered.
Sun Dec 15, 2019, 04:51 PM
Dec 2019

Warren will win. She’s the anti-corruption candidate who will defeat the corrupt Trump.

Obviously you think differently.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

question everything

(47,544 posts)
20. Except too many voters do not see Trump as corrupt who needs to be removed
Sun Dec 15, 2019, 05:57 PM
Dec 2019

They cheer when Trump attacks the ones, like Warren, who claim that he needs to be removed.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

blm

(113,102 posts)
21. Majority know he's dishonest, admit his self-dealing and his abuse of power
Sun Dec 15, 2019, 06:11 PM
Dec 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Voltaire2

(13,210 posts)
19. That pretty much rules out your candidate.
Sun Dec 15, 2019, 05:56 PM
Dec 2019

Oh wait, you intended to rule out all the other candidates. Never-mind.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Gothmog

(145,635 posts)
22. Washington Post-It's easy to see how Trump can win reelection
Sun Dec 15, 2019, 06:16 PM
Dec 2019

Trump can easily win next year if the economy is strong. I strongly disagree with the concept that any candidate that the Democratic party nominates will easily win.

From Larry Sabato https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-economy-got-nixon-reagan-and-bush-reelected-it-could-do-it-for-trump-too/2019/04/23/b8920d34-65e6-11e9-a1b6-b29b90efa879_story.html?utm_term=.a35b315730d2

Ultimately, Trump may turn out to be at the mercy of conventional factors. In 2016, academic predictive models based on fundamentals such as the state of the economy suggested that Trump, or any other Republican candidate, was in position to win the election or come very close. This time, such models (once they become operative next year) could make Trump the early favorite despite his poor approval ratings.

Credit the powers of incumbency and a strong economy, the state of which may matter more to Trump’s odds than nearly anything else. Incumbency and the economy, among other matters, ended up being more than enough for Nixon, Reagan and Bush. Despite Trump’s unprecedented outlandishness, that same combination might work for him, too. [/d]
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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