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Joe BidenCongratulations to our presumptive Democratic nominee, Joe Biden!
 

UncleNoel

(864 posts)
Sat Dec 21, 2019, 09:40 PM Dec 2019

The debate that didn't matter. Maybe its time to start voting!

https://www.yahoo.com/news/debate-didnt-matter-045136877.html

Kind of a cute take on the December debate.

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Biden will stay in the lead. Warren will continue her slow fade. Bernie Sanders will keep consolidating his position as the great left-populist alternative to the frontrunner. Buttigieg will settle in as the fallback option for centrists if Biden has a complete meltdown. Klobuchar will still fail to light anyone's fire. Yang will remain the true wild card. And Steyer will continue to be the guy who bought himself onto the debate stage. (Perhaps Michael Bloomberg will eventually figure out a way to do the same.)

Another debate in the can. Maybe it's time to finally start voting.


At least the next debate will focus on the first state to have a real vote...
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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The debate that didn't matter. Maybe its time to start voting! (Original Post) UncleNoel Dec 2019 OP
The debates right now are mainly to decide who you don't want Kablooie Dec 2019 #1
I think Bernie should drop out NYMinute Dec 2019 #2
Malarkey billpolonsky Dec 2019 #3
I agree. For what that's worth. rickyhall Dec 2019 #10
Agreed Sherman A1 Dec 2019 #16
Bernie should go back to Vermont and work on the issue of higher education in his state. TexasTowelie Dec 2019 #4
This! NYMinute Dec 2019 #7
You posted an article in the Arizona forum where GOP is increasing in-state tuition JonLP24 Dec 2019 #21
Yes I did post that thread in the Arizona Group. TexasTowelie Dec 2019 #23
So you think one of the top candidates should drop out? Joe941 Dec 2019 #15
Agreed Sherman A1 Dec 2019 #17
Bernie is divisive .. Biden will wholeheartedly support whoever the nominee is NYMinute Dec 2019 #24
You need to get outside your bubble if you think he doesn't have a diverse base JonLP24 Dec 2019 #22
oh brother yaesu Dec 2019 #5
Bernie has a higher net favorability rating amongst DEM primary voters than Joe ritapria Dec 2019 #6
Yet Bernie is still behind Joe in both polls. TexasTowelie Dec 2019 #9
Bernie really isn't doing that well.... the numbers continue to prove that out Thekaspervote Dec 2019 #12
We have about a month left IronLionZion Dec 2019 #8
I'd would really love to see all the primaries on the same day. rickyhall Dec 2019 #11
Agreed Sherman A1 Dec 2019 #18
Having it all on one day benefits wealthier campaigns IronLionZion Dec 2019 #19
Rotation might work. rickyhall Dec 2019 #20
I want Nancy erlewyne Dec 2019 #13
These Debates have Mattered quite a bit. judeling Dec 2019 #14
 

Kablooie

(18,634 posts)
1. The debates right now are mainly to decide who you don't want
Sat Dec 21, 2019, 09:44 PM
Dec 2019

It’s main purpose is to cull the field.
Once it’s down to just a few the real debates start.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

NYMinute

(3,256 posts)
2. I think Bernie should drop out
Sat Dec 21, 2019, 09:49 PM
Dec 2019

He has ZERO chance of winning the nomination and being divisive with his non-diverse base serves no purpose.

He should go back to Vermont and make sure Vermont has a single payer system which it failed to do over and over.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

billpolonsky

(270 posts)
3. Malarkey
Sat Dec 21, 2019, 10:44 PM
Dec 2019

Biden has no vision for the future.

Snore...

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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rickyhall

(4,889 posts)
10. I agree. For what that's worth.
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 12:25 AM
Dec 2019

He definitely better than dump, but personally, I'm tired of old white guys. I'd to see woman in there. Ms. Obama would awesome, IMHO.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
16. Agreed
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 06:56 AM
Dec 2019

We don’t have time for a Re-Set Presidency.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

TexasTowelie

(112,252 posts)
4. Bernie should go back to Vermont and work on the issue of higher education in his state.
Sat Dec 21, 2019, 11:09 PM
Dec 2019

Last edited Sun Dec 22, 2019, 10:01 AM - Edit history (1)

Three universities in the state closed down within the past year.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
21. You posted an article in the Arizona forum where GOP is increasing in-state tuition
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 09:24 AM
Dec 2019

I prefer Bernie Sanders address this from the federal level. It shows he understands the problem same with Elizabeth Warren.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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TexasTowelie

(112,252 posts)
23. Yes I did post that thread in the Arizona Group.
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 10:39 AM
Dec 2019

The price of tuition should take into consideration the actual cost of providing that education. The gap between the tuition price and the actual cost is an expense carried by taxpayers which means that people that did not get the opportunity to attend college are subsidizing the education for those that do attend college. In a sense, that is redistributive economics which hurts the poor and less educated. Offering free tuition and student loan debt forgiveness by increasing taxes is unfair to the people that we are supposedly trying to assist.

While the merits of whether providing higher education based entirely upon taxes vs. tuition can be debated, I look upon it as whether grown adults should recognize both the benefits and liabilities of obtaining higher education. Dumping tax money into higher ed isn't going to lower the cost of that education--if anything it perpetuates the cycle of irresponsibility.

Controlling the salaries of administrators and coaches along with making better utilization of existing facilities will have a larger impact on tuition. I think that Bernie and Elizabeth should realize the best way to lower tuition is to clamp down on some of the state of the art facilities and dormitories that are the equivalent of luxury hotels. Provide the facilities to have a solid educational environment which includes Internet service in the dorms, but eliminate the high end lobbies and facilities like this one paid for by the taxpayers:

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Joe941

(2,848 posts)
15. So you think one of the top candidates should drop out?
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 01:05 AM
Dec 2019

Well I think Biden should drop out.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

NYMinute

(3,256 posts)
24. Bernie is divisive .. Biden will wholeheartedly support whoever the nominee is
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 01:06 PM
Dec 2019

Not Bernie

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
22. You need to get outside your bubble if you think he doesn't have a diverse base
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 09:31 AM
Dec 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

yaesu

(8,020 posts)
5. oh brother
Sat Dec 21, 2019, 11:26 PM
Dec 2019

it must be a slow night on DU, I think I will go back to watching Johnny Carson reruns

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

ritapria

(1,812 posts)
6. Bernie has a higher net favorability rating amongst DEM primary voters than Joe
Sat Dec 21, 2019, 11:40 PM
Dec 2019

according to CNN and Morning Consult National Polls …. Bernie was trailing Hillary 61% - 30% in XMAS Eve National Polling in 2015 .. 4 years later , .He is only 7% behind Joe in national polling …….Why should he drop out ? …. Bernie and AOC drew a crowd of 20.000 in LA Today ..Not bad for a "fringe candidate" with no chance to win

If I were to vote in a presidential
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TexasTowelie

(112,252 posts)
9. Yet Bernie is still behind Joe in both polls.
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 12:05 AM
Dec 2019

Six points behind in the CNN poll and nine points behind in the Morning Consult poll.

The RCP average shows Bernie behind 8.5% rather than 7% as you are indicating.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Thekaspervote

(32,778 posts)
12. Bernie really isn't doing that well.... the numbers continue to prove that out
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 12:38 AM
Dec 2019

Sanders got 40% of Democratic Primary vote in '16, he's running half that this time. Even if he got 100% of Warren's support, he'd still be behind his '16 vote total. thehill.com

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

IronLionZion

(45,460 posts)
8. We have about a month left
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 12:04 AM
Dec 2019

Iowa Caucuses are Feb 3. New Hampshire is Feb 11.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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rickyhall

(4,889 posts)
11. I'd would really love to see all the primaries on the same day.
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 12:32 AM
Dec 2019

I'm really tired of just those two states deciding who I vote for before I even to vote in a primary. But in November I will vote for whoever gets the nom.

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Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
18. Agreed
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 06:59 AM
Dec 2019

I will vote for the nominee, but if it isn’t Andrew Yang I will be tuning out the campaign completely .

If I were to vote in a presidential
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IronLionZion

(45,460 posts)
19. Having it all on one day benefits wealthier campaigns
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 08:56 AM
Dec 2019

spreading it out encourages grass roots campaigning so candidates can meet directly with as many voters as possible. This levels the playing field.

I agree that I'm tired of those two states deciding since I have the last in the nation primary in DC. I'd like to see the states rotate so that some other states get a chance to be first, especially if there is more diversity.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

rickyhall

(4,889 posts)
20. Rotation might work.
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 09:10 AM
Dec 2019

Might start w/California or New York vs. Texas or Florida, but I guess that's too partisan.

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erlewyne

(1,115 posts)
13. I want Nancy
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 12:42 AM
Dec 2019

but, I will vote Democratic ... I even voted for Hilary and Gore.
My favorites were Carter and Obama.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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judeling

(1,086 posts)
14. These Debates have Mattered quite a bit.
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 01:00 AM
Dec 2019

They shape everything that follows until the next debate.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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