that have never been asked.

....many times over the years.

to the topic if you can. The OP says

He shies away from impromptu Q&A sessions, or gaggles, after events and pre approves questions from others when he is invited on but mostly he only goes on friendly media like Chris Hayes.

From the BuzzFeed article, Bernie: "But on the other hand, as Hillary Clinton reminds us, he got more money from Wall Street than she did."

THAT'S BECAUSE SHE WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT DONATIONS FROM PEOPLE WHO WORK ON WALL STREET ARE NOT CORRUPTING. THEY DID NOT CORRUPT OBAMA. DUH.

Hillary: "President Obama took more money from Wall Street in 2008 than anybody ever had. And when it came time to stand up to Wall Street, he passed and signed the toughest regulations since the Great Depression, the Dodd-Frank regulation."

I still don't see anything about Pelosi though.

Actually, I qualify as "establishment" both in reality and in his hostile imaginings.

First, he lacks most of my qualifications for someone I believe would handle great power even adequately or apply the principles I require. This is a democracy. Majority wishes must matter! Therefore, I'm trash-canned as corrupt establishment, really hardly different from Republicans, as he points out in some way at almost every public appearance.

AND, I strongly believe in USING the vast power of the liberal half of our nation who created and support the Democratic "establishment" to serve OUR wishes, not Sanders'. In my opinion, throwing away that power because it doesn't always serve only us completely and instead turning on and attacking the vast majority of my fellow liberals would be incredibly counterproductive, even astonishingly self-destructive. I may not agree with everyone else about everything, but I wouldn't dream of attacking instead of working with the vast mainstream of my fellow progressive liberals to achieve our common goals.

That is for those driven by an inner dissidence that denies the wishes of all dissented against, including it sometimes seems to me, even our liberal, progressive democracy itself.

(We all know some who actually think destruction is needed before they can rebuild properly. My guess is, the Republicans and the ruthless powers who act through them wouldn't bother to eat Sanders and all of his zealots together for breakfast, not enough of them for a side dish, just stomp them in passing without noticing.)

and his followers don't care.

the "Democratic Establishment".. We Want to KNOW!

it's what we NEED to know also.

...because they obviously suck and we can never expect anything good from them.

We expect a lot from Democrats though - I know I do. The party of FDR! They have a much higher bar!

I’m not a Jill Stein type at all - pretty much blue no matter who. I would vote for a republican with great policies, but I’m more likely to photograph unicorns in the wilds of Wakanda first.

Am I disappointed by Democrats sometimes? Sure, I expect a lot from them. They play a little too nice against these psychopaths sometimes as if psychos do anything in good faith. I’ve been frustrated by that before, though they’ve gotten better. Obama certainly learned what kinds of “people” he was dealing with by his second term after trying to work with them in good faith during his first term.

I’ve never booed, but I do have higher standards for Democrats as I expect a lot from them.

Take a person with a genius iq - If I try to teach them advanced calculus and linear algebra in high school and they fail to grasp a subject I know they can grasp, I will be disappointed. Take a mentally challenged child who has meltdowns all the time (republicans) and I’ll be happy when they don’t eat the glue.

yet spend 99% of their time bashing Democrats. It's one thing to criticize Democrats. It's another to blatantly peddle falsehoods about them to prop up Bernie, Tulsi, etc.

One is actually certifiable.

The other does bash Democrats re the $738B pentagon boondoggle that most voted for, bombing Yemen, and not immediately revoking the Patriot act.

He became disenchanted with Democrats when Arne Duncan was made Sec of Ed pushing charters. My friend eventually quit the teaching profession in the US, moved overseas and teaches there now enjoying it much more.

This guy definitely trashes fuckface loudly calling for his removal.

AFRAID to answer them. You should try to be in the audience somewhere so you can ask him, or get a person who has access to the debates to ask him I don't think he has the psychic powers to know when or if they will ask him so he can dodge the burning questions you want answered, but good luck with your predictions... and your endeavors.

I'll tell you. Not a damn thing is stopping them. Big bad scary Bernie

Because they refuse to let him vet the questions beforehand. They refuse to compromise their journalistic integrity for the Senator. That he insists on having final say over the questions from the major newspapers of *his own constituents* says plenty about his view of media... too reminiscent of other populistic politicians, but not surprising.

If it is a question he doesn't want to answer he will give an answer that has nothing to do with the question.

It's a game the Bernie Haters play among themselves -- It doesn't put the slightest dent in his support here, but I guess it calms their nerves.

The "critiques" are so petty and lame.

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is that he had built a career on attacking Democrats."
This is also what turned me off with Bernie. I actually like some of his ideas and did some research on him. The more I learned, the less support I could give him.

Perhaps, you just need to take a fresh look at Bernie's progressive agenda and you too will come to realize why he's so damn popular with the working class in this country and come to appreciate him like we do.


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

...has also painted Warren as a corporate/establishment Democrat? I can support Warren, because she does not engage in false equivalency like Bernie.

They are hardly interchangeable.

I have no problem with his progressive agenda. Guess I don't like the way he presents himself when "representing" the Democratic party. There are some interesting jabs at Democrats in his interviews that don't sit well with me.

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but, then I understand where he's coming from and the difficulties involved in trying to bring about real change in this country. Taking power back from greedy corporations, Wall Street cheats, insurance company death merchants, pharmaceutical company drug-lords, the war-machine that has grown out of the military industrial complex, the planet-killing fossil fuel industry and other corporate scam artists, and giving that power back to We The People, where it belongs, is no easy task.

I hope you'll reconsider, but regardless, I wish your candidate much luck as the campaign unfolds... I'd be only TOO happy to vote for her over the Traitor-in-Chief currently occupying the White House.


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

But we'll always have these quotes:

"The ideas that I talk about are ideas that the American people want. They don't get it because you've got a Congress indebted to wealthy campaign contributors." (That must include the Speaker of the House)

"The business model ... of the Democratic Party for the last 15 years or so has been a failure. People sometimes don't see that because there was a charismatic individual named Barack Obama. He was obviously an extraordinary candidate, brilliant guy. But beyond that reality ... "

In his mind, establishment equates to corrupt. His entire deal is that if you don't agree with his views, it is because you are currupted by corporate interests.

A Real Democrat.

Thank You Bernie Sanders for never stopping telling the truth.

Thank You Bernie Sanders for reminding us every day how badly we are being screwed.

The Oligarchs have 50 TRILLION IN WEALTH in America.

They could pay some taxes.

Thanks again Bernie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Until billionaires pay taxes all our problems are unsolvable.

Period.

largest corporations must pay their fair share of taxes. Democrats will claw back tax breaks for companies that ship jobs overseas, eliminate tax breaks for big oil and gas companies, and crack down on inversion and other methods corporations use to dodge their tax responsibilities. .... We will ensure those at the top contribute to our country's future by establishing a multimillionaire surtax to ensure millionaires and billionaires pay their fare share. ... In addition, we will shut down the 'private tax system' for those at the top, immediately close egregious loopholes like those enjoyed by hedge fund managers, restore fair taxation on multimillion dollar estates, and ensure millionaires can no longer pay a lower rate than their secretaries."

More at the Democratic Party platform. Thanks, Democrats!

To solve this issue we should wag our fingers at them and alienate them even more.

Who needs them anyway. SosHaliSTs!!111!

when he runs for president, the rest of the time he goes back to being an independent!

bar him from running at all. So much for the free country you would have us have.

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so much for that idea. Apparently, it's not big enough for Bernie, who "plays ball" with his fellow Democrats, indeed, votes with his fellow Democrats far more than your average Democrat.

But, holy shit, were Bernie to take his "Democratic ball" and go home by running as an Independent, as some here have suggested, can you just imagine what the response would be?!?! That would be a disaster, of course - and I certainly could not vote for him - but, thankfully, I know Bernie would never even consider doing such a thing. He's WAY too loyal to the Democratic Party and knows that would be handing the election over to the Shitstain-in-Chief.


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

Yet you all get giddy when he starts attacking the Democratic Party and Democrats who don’t agree with him.

That’s supreme loyalty there.

haha....that's funny! Bernie runs as a democrat because it gives him more legitimacy & visibility as being a part of one of the 2 major parties. If he ran as an independent, he would not be able to participate in debates & would probably make fund raising a little more difficult.

He needs us more than we need him! As I said before, it would not bother me at all if he were to run as an independent!

He knows that would guarantee 4 more years of the Shitstain-in-Chief. You might not care, but I sure as hell do... and so does Bernie.

Damn straight that's loyalty!! So is voting with his fellow Democrats more than most Democrats.


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

please don't try to tell me what I do or do not care about. We are all here to deny fat Donnie another 4 years. Why would you assume that I'm interested in anything other than that?

So apparently you do agree with me that running as an independent would give him fewer votes!

as that would guaran-damn-tee Donnie Boy 4 more years as Pee-resident. Glad that you now see it that way.


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

whether Bernie runs as a democrat or independent probably doesn't really matter. I have nothing against Bernie, he's always had some good ideas & I would certainly support him if he were the nominee. I just think it's doubtful that he will win.

I would have no problem if he ran as a 3rd party. At least it would be more honest than only claiming to be a dem when he's running for president!

that wouldn't bother you either?!


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

I think running as a democrat gives him more credibility & more visibility. In 2016 some Russians pushed democratic voters toward Sanders or Stein so that fewer people would vote for Hillary! So I don't think Bernie running as an independent would equal more votes for Donnie or might guarantee him another win.

according to CNN and Morning Consult … He has been fighting for Progressive Causes for the last 45 years .. During all that time , .He didn't give 2 toots whether those causes were popular or not … Often they were not .. That is why he has built a powerful grassroots movement across this Country … He is not perfect ..He is just a man ...Faults and all , He has been a Leader

He only has three pieces of legislation to show for it over 30 years - 2 of them naming post offices in VT.

Senator Klobuchar, Booker and Harris have 7-8 times more legislation passed (each) in just a few years time.

What is "progressive" about voting against Russia sanctions and voting against sensible gun control?

Besides BS is too Divisive with his jill stein pushers for his top staff.

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it doesn't help his divisive agenda that results in Trump winning.

isn't going to be the nominee. If he is, Trump will be re-elected. Period. So, what he says, does or is - is irrelevant at moment. There. I said it.

He doesn't care about individuals because in that case he'd need to back up the reasons for his attack. Instead, for the sake of poll numbers and revving up the emotions of his base, he is content stirring up hate against the abstract, some group of Democrats but nothing concrete. His campaign style needs a scapegoat he can blame for everything.

Schumer?

It would be courageous for him to name names but it benefits Bernie to let his supporters assume all Dems are corrupt.

NotMeUs is a joke.

And I love Warren.

And I’m great with Buttigege (even though I still can’t spell it)

And I’d be ok with Biden.

Whoever gets the nomination- I’m going to work tirelessly - because we need to all work together to save America from that dick.


Are you with me?/us?

My phone even does it.

Was FDR a mainstream Democrat?

Remember that guy? He won three terms, beat the Depression and WWII. These days he’d be some radical Bernie Sanders leftist. If FDR didn’t exist in the Democratic canon I’m not sure I would identify as one.

his New Deal programs.

And how’s that capitalism working out for you? Warm enough?

was a good Democrat. He was the most important Democrat in the 20th century. But he wasn't anti-capitalist by any stretch of the imagination.

financed R&D. It’s also a soul crushing, planet destroying machine. The way things are going the great human experiment in civilization will be kaput in a hundred years. BTW, you might want to look at FDR’s bill of economic rights.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Bill_of_Rights

The problem with saving capitalism is the economic royalists will always take back the system. We know that now.

an increasingly rare disposition around here. Going to bed now. Ciao!

Historians rate FDR as the 3rd -- some say 2nd -- geatest American President.

VP Biden are NOT "afraid" of anything.

You're Wrong.

this is overlooking that there was a greater will, with the depression, for social policies.

Obama was the president and the leader of the democratic party. Pelosi is the most powerful woman in the history of the democratic party.

They are the establishment.

I thought it was some sort of policy at DU that we don’t attack candidates. This sounds like an attack but I could be wrong. I like civility.

Are democrats not allowed to fight back?

it to be dished back

I will support the nominee of the party but there are far too many real democrats who have good memories for this to happen. These real Democrats will not forgive or forget

they hate them the most. By a large margin. Let's not beat around the bush here.

Check out the Twitter feed of any random Bernie Brah. 90% of the tweets/retweets will be negative towards the Democratic party. Anti-Trump tweets? Barely any.

There is no doubt in my mind that he would want to be as ambiguous as possible in "who he believes are establishment Democrats"

The fact that what he characterizes as "establishment Democrats", in a negative light, only reaffirms how divisive he is.

We Need a Uniter

We can do better.

it's one of the reasons we aren't getting ahead as a country

in the context of the OP? Who is the status quo pushing back against change? Obama? Pelosi? The creator of this thread?
Or is this about blaming CNN for what Bernie said?

Money in politics? You don't think if Democrats have a majority in the House they wouldn't repeal Citizens United?

both sides-both sides-both-sides-both-sides

we haven't.

President Obama actually accomplished CHANGE.. BS just talks about it.

BS also endorse the lewd misogynist, cenk uygur, President Obama would never do anything like that.

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Warren was after all nominated by President Obama to be head of the consumer protection agency and he strongly supported her original run for Senate. Heck, they have both described each other as friends with many former Obama officials supporting her campaign.

Suggesting that Obama/Trump are the same and constitute the status quo is certainly not something Warren would ever endorse. I can see Bernie saying that, but not Warren.

So, why are you supporting Warren over Bernie? I don't expect a real answer, of course, except perhaps a claim that they are the same, which they are not.

All Democrats want Citizens United repealed. Republicans are the only reason we aren't getting ahead in this country.

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