Democratic Primaries

Uncle Joe

(58,365 posts) Mon Dec 23, 2019, 01:31 PM Dec 2019

BERNIE SANDERS OUTPERFORMS JOE BIDEN IN HEAD TO HEAD MATCHUP WITH DONALD TRUMP, NEW POLL FINDS

In a recent survey by Ipsos/Reuters, slightly more respondents said they would vote for Senator Bernie Sanders than former Vice President Joe Biden in the 2020 election against President Donald Trump.

Though the difference is within the margin of error (3.4 percentage points) 39 percent of the 1,108 adults surveyed between December 18 and 19 preferred Sanders over Trump, compared to 37 percent who preferred Biden.

(snip)

In the Ipsos/Reuters poll, Sanders is supported by more independents (21 percent) and Democrats (74 percent) than both Biden and Warren in matchups against Trump, but the president nonetheless claims more of the independent vote against Sanders, Biden and Warren.

In another measure of electability, however, the Sanders-Trump comparison compels more people to vote at the end of the day, according to the survey. Only 20 percent of respondents say they wouldn't vote if the election were held between Sanders and Trump. That's compared to 23 percent and 21 percent who said the same of Biden and Warren versus Trump, respectively.

(snip)

https://www.newsweek.com/bernie-sanders-outperforms-joe-biden-head-head-matchup-trump-poll-1478891

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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BERNIE SANDERS OUTPERFORMS JOE BIDEN IN HEAD TO HEAD MATCHUP WITH DONALD TRUMP, NEW POLL FINDS (Original Post) Uncle Joe Dec 2019 OP

"In a recent survey by Ipsos/Reuters.... George II Dec 2019 #1

+++ still_one Dec 2019 #12

Some bro wrote the article probably nt NYMinute Dec 2019 #23

It literally says in the headline: "Head to Head Matchup with Donald Trump." aidbo Dec 2019 #31

Who is making shit up? I literally says in the body of the article: George II Dec 2019 #32

Oh, I see you're pretending to not understand English. aidbo Dec 2019 #33

Not at all. Of course I understand English, I was a student of the English language.... George II Dec 2019 #36

Hence why I wrote "pretending". aidbo Dec 2019 #38

Which is why a fool would only take one poll as gospel. Drunken Irishman Dec 2019 #2

Poll averages... definitely the best measure! Thekaspervote Dec 2019 #4

LOL, kill the messenger. vsrazdem Dec 2019 #3

Polls are always faulty when it come to Bernie Autumn Dec 2019 #5

Yeah, funny how that works!! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2019 #18

But you will HAPPILY vote for whoever the nominee is right? You will tell anyone who will Eliot Rosewater Dec 2019 #6

Absolutely. Even if I have to hold my nose to do so. vsrazdem Dec 2019 #8

THERE it is folks! HOLD MY NOSE in 2016 talked millions into NOT voting AT ALL! Eliot Rosewater Dec 2019 #21

par for the course for the devotees of a political messiah nt NYMinute Dec 2019 #24

I cant BELIEVE they have started this SHIT ALREADY Eliot Rosewater Dec 2019 #34

They have no other path to a win NYMinute Dec 2019 #39

Who is "they"? are you referring to democrats. vsrazdem Dec 2019 #40

I am not referring to Democrats. I am referring to a subset. nt NYMinute Dec 2019 #41

Hold my nose.. God I hate that attitude. honest.abe Dec 2019 #22

That is nice of you, but there are some here who are not so gracious. vsrazdem Dec 2019 #28

I did NOT say I would NOT support BERNIE, not once NOT ANYWHERE Eliot Rosewater Dec 2019 #35

Well, I am sorry but if Gabbard got the nomination I would definitely be holding my nose! vsrazdem Dec 2019 #37

Uh huh, yeah, sure, you bet...you meant Gabbard Eliot Rosewater Dec 2019 #42

Yes, you said whoever the nominee was, but you would know what I was thinking? vsrazdem Dec 2019 #43

PS, I would have a hard time with Bloomberg too, but he is still better than Trump. vsrazdem Dec 2019 #44

No doubt some will make an exception for Tulsi like they do for Bernie. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2019 #56

That's exactly how I feel about Joe, who would be far more likely to lose to Dolt45 InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2019 #54

That is a bad reply...no one should need to hold their nose in order to cast a vote in an effort to Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #49

Really funny, the outrage over this expression, when Just yesterday I saw a post vsrazdem Dec 2019 #50

Yes, that's the "Bernie Standard" in full force. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2019 #55

The 'they all do it defense' no one should do it. We should be thrilled to vote for anyone who may Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #62

I have not been on much...but I did not see any such post...I would never never post such a thing... Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #61

Strange poll and the complete numbers are missing Hav Dec 2019 #7

This! Thekaspervote Dec 2019 #10

Trump would win 42-45 states if Bernie is the nominee. NYMinute Dec 2019 #25

Where's the poll? OldRed2450 Dec 2019 #9

Newsweek nails it...everyone I've talk to, with few exceptions, concluded Bernie won the last debate InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2019 #19

He didn't answer the questions as asked. lol OldRed2450 Dec 2019 #20

An expert debater like Bernie knows to raise the points HE wants to make to HIS intended audience InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2019 #57

He was the same as ever...he has less support than last time...which is why some think they can Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #51

Let's see, 17 candidates this time around... seems like vastly different circumstances. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2019 #53

It makes it harder for him...he doesn't stand out as much. Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #59

Yes Dems.. but it makes it harder for EVERYBODY. Your making my point... InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2019 #60

the Sanders-Trump comparison compels more people to vote at the end of the day lambchopp59 Dec 2019 #11

Unusual poll, but there was only a 1-point difference in how well they did against Trump. highplainsdem Dec 2019 #13

I don't give this poll any more credence than any other individual poll, just Uncle Joe Dec 2019 #14

The MOE for that poll is probably 4 to 5 NYMinute Dec 2019 #26

They did 2 polls the same days, got different results. This one overpolled Republicans. highplainsdem Dec 2019 #15

Okay, so would the upshot be that Bernie does better with Republican voters? n/t Uncle Joe Dec 2019 #16

I don't know. And it's a very small difference, 1 point, and with rounding it might be less highplainsdem Dec 2019 #17

IN ALL CAPS EVEN! PhoenixDem Dec 2019 #27

that's... myohmy2 Dec 2019 #64

Top Marx to Uncle Joe for effort ! OnDoutside Dec 2019 #29

However, Biden can afford a keyboard whistler162 Dec 2019 #30

CNN disagrees Gothmog Dec 2019 #45

Electability is all Biden seems to have booley Dec 2019 #46

Joe has the best platform Gothmog Dec 2019 #48

I don't think Joe even has electability on his side... Joe could lose 40 states to Dolt 45 InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2019 #58

+1 myohmy2 Dec 2019 #63

Kornacki at the Big Board-Joe Biden has 3 to 1 lead over Sanders as Best Candidate to Beat trump Gothmog Dec 2019 #47

If some on here would spend more time talking about their candidate's plans brutus smith Dec 2019 #52

George II

(67,782 posts)

1. "In a recent survey by Ipsos/Reuters....

Reply to Uncle Joe (Original post)

Mon Dec 23, 2019, 01:35 PM

Dec 2019

....slightly more respondents said they would vote for Senator Bernie Sanders than former Vice President Joe Biden in the 2020 election against President Donald Trump."

The only way that could be true is if there's a three-way election. Another bad reporting job by Newsweek.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

still_one

(92,217 posts)

12. +++

Reply to George II (Reply #1)

Mon Dec 23, 2019, 02:20 PM

Dec 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

NYMinute

(3,256 posts)

23. Some bro wrote the article probably nt

Reply to George II (Reply #1)

Mon Dec 23, 2019, 07:39 PM

Dec 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

aidbo

(2,328 posts)

31. It literally says in the headline: "Head to Head Matchup with Donald Trump."

Reply to George II (Reply #1)

Mon Dec 23, 2019, 08:36 PM

Dec 2019

Why make up shit about a three-way election?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

George II

(67,782 posts)

32. Who is making shit up? I literally says in the body of the article:

Reply to aidbo (Reply #31)

Mon Dec 23, 2019, 08:42 PM

Dec 2019

"...more respondents said they would vote for Senator Bernie Sanders than former Vice President Joe Biden in the 2020 election against President Donald Trump."

That literally says they'd pick BS over Biden "in the 2020 election against President Donald Trump"

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

aidbo

(2,328 posts)

33. Oh, I see you're pretending to not understand English.

Reply to George II (Reply #32)

Mon Dec 23, 2019, 08:47 PM

Dec 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

George II

(67,782 posts)

36. Not at all. Of course I understand English, I was a student of the English language....

Reply to aidbo (Reply #33)

Mon Dec 23, 2019, 09:28 PM

Dec 2019

...and punctuation, and grammar.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

aidbo

(2,328 posts)

38. Hence why I wrote "pretending".

Reply to George II (Reply #36)

Mon Dec 23, 2019, 10:11 PM

Dec 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)

2. Which is why a fool would only take one poll as gospel.

Reply to Uncle Joe (Original post)

Mon Dec 23, 2019, 01:36 PM

Dec 2019

Clearly Biden has an advantage over Bernie head-to-head vs Trump:

Biden leads by an average of +4.5:

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_biden-6247.html

Bernie leads by an average of +2.6:

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_sanders-6250.html

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Thekaspervote

(32,773 posts)

4. Poll averages... definitely the best measure!

Reply to Drunken Irishman (Reply #2)

Mon Dec 23, 2019, 01:39 PM

Dec 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

vsrazdem

(2,177 posts)

3. LOL, kill the messenger.

Reply to Uncle Joe (Original post)

Mon Dec 23, 2019, 01:39 PM

Dec 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

Autumn

(45,105 posts)

5. Polls are always faulty when it come to Bernie

Reply to vsrazdem (Reply #3)

Mon Dec 23, 2019, 01:44 PM

Dec 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)

18. Yeah, funny how that works!!

Reply to Autumn (Reply #5)

Mon Dec 23, 2019, 04:56 PM

Dec 2019

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!

Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

Eliot Rosewater

(31,112 posts)

6. But you will HAPPILY vote for whoever the nominee is right? You will tell anyone who will

Reply to vsrazdem (Reply #3)

Mon Dec 23, 2019, 01:45 PM

Dec 2019

listen that whoever that is, is ten million times better than rump and that their very LIFE depends on voting for the Democrat, right?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

vsrazdem

(2,177 posts)

8. Absolutely. Even if I have to hold my nose to do so.

Reply to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #6)

Mon Dec 23, 2019, 02:06 PM

Dec 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

Eliot Rosewater

(31,112 posts)

21. THERE it is folks! HOLD MY NOSE in 2016 talked millions into NOT voting AT ALL!

Reply to vsrazdem (Reply #8)

Mon Dec 23, 2019, 07:19 PM

Dec 2019

You are promoting the NO REASON TO VOTE meme with that

C R A P

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

NYMinute

(3,256 posts)

24. par for the course for the devotees of a political messiah nt

Reply to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #21)

Mon Dec 23, 2019, 07:40 PM

Dec 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Eliot Rosewater

(31,112 posts)

34. I cant BELIEVE they have started this SHIT ALREADY

Reply to NYMinute (Reply #24)

Mon Dec 23, 2019, 09:01 PM

Dec 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

NYMinute

(3,256 posts)

39. They have no other path to a win

Reply to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #34)

Mon Dec 23, 2019, 10:25 PM

Dec 2019

so they go back to their tried playbook -- divisiveness and leaving people bitter about the eventual nominee.

Anger driven campaigns do that -- their self-righteousness dictates "my way or highway" doctrine.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

vsrazdem

(2,177 posts)

40. Who is "they"? are you referring to democrats.

Reply to NYMinute (Reply #39)

Mon Dec 23, 2019, 11:27 PM

Dec 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

NYMinute

(3,256 posts)

41. I am not referring to Democrats. I am referring to a subset. nt

Reply to vsrazdem (Reply #40)

Mon Dec 23, 2019, 11:49 PM

Dec 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

honest.abe

(8,678 posts)

22. Hold my nose.. God I hate that attitude.

Reply to vsrazdem (Reply #8)

Mon Dec 23, 2019, 07:37 PM

Dec 2019

No matter who is our nominee I will fully and completely support him or her. I don’t care for Sanders one bit and I think he would be horrible as our nominee but if he somehow miraculously wins I will suddenly become a Bernie Bro!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

vsrazdem

(2,177 posts)

28. That is nice of you, but there are some here who are not so gracious.

Reply to honest.abe (Reply #22)

Mon Dec 23, 2019, 07:59 PM

Dec 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

Eliot Rosewater

(31,112 posts)

35. I did NOT say I would NOT support BERNIE, not once NOT ANYWHERE

Reply to vsrazdem (Reply #28)

Mon Dec 23, 2019, 09:03 PM

Dec 2019

Nor did I say I would have to HOLD MY NOSE if he is the nominee!

What YOU are doing and others is how we will LOSE AGAIN

And if I ever did say that I would expect to be called out on it and i would APOLOGIZE and never do it again! Will YOU?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

vsrazdem

(2,177 posts)

37. Well, I am sorry but if Gabbard got the nomination I would definitely be holding my nose!

Reply to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #35)

Mon Dec 23, 2019, 09:34 PM

Dec 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

Eliot Rosewater

(31,112 posts)

42. Uh huh, yeah, sure, you bet...you meant Gabbard

Reply to vsrazdem (Reply #37)

Tue Dec 24, 2019, 11:00 AM

Dec 2019

uh huh, sure..

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

vsrazdem

(2,177 posts)

43. Yes, you said whoever the nominee was, but you would know what I was thinking?

Reply to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #42)

Tue Dec 24, 2019, 12:14 PM

Dec 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

vsrazdem

(2,177 posts)

44. PS, I would have a hard time with Bloomberg too, but he is still better than Trump.

Reply to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #42)

Tue Dec 24, 2019, 12:18 PM

Dec 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)

56. No doubt some will make an exception for Tulsi like they do for Bernie.

Reply to vsrazdem (Reply #37)

Thu Dec 26, 2019, 03:33 PM

Dec 2019

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!

Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)

54. That's exactly how I feel about Joe, who would be far more likely to lose to Dolt45

Reply to honest.abe (Reply #22)

Thu Dec 26, 2019, 03:29 PM

Dec 2019

than would Bernie. But, of course, I would still pull the lever for Biden were he able to pull off a primary miracle... gladly.

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

Demsrule86

(68,586 posts)

49. That is a bad reply...no one should need to hold their nose in order to cast a vote in an effort to

Reply to vsrazdem (Reply #8)

Thu Dec 26, 2019, 02:52 PM

Dec 2019

kick Trump out of office...all of our Democratic candidates are eons better than Trump...I saw 'hold your now posts' on all sorts of media last time and I truly believe such comments hurt general election efforts. It dampens enthusiasm and is used by the right wing too.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

vsrazdem

(2,177 posts)

50. Really funny, the outrage over this expression, when Just yesterday I saw a post

Reply to Demsrule86 (Reply #49)

Thu Dec 26, 2019, 02:54 PM

Dec 2019

where several biden supporters used the same phrase. LOL.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)

55. Yes, that's the "Bernie Standard" in full force.

Reply to vsrazdem (Reply #50)

Thu Dec 26, 2019, 03:31 PM

Dec 2019

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!

Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

Demsrule86

(68,586 posts)

62. The 'they all do it defense' no one should do it. We should be thrilled to vote for anyone who may

Reply to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #55)

Thu Dec 26, 2019, 11:19 PM

Dec 2019

beat Trump the terrible and not say or write things that could hurt our effort to oust him.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Demsrule86

(68,586 posts)

61. I have not been on much...but I did not see any such post...I would never never post such a thing...

Reply to vsrazdem (Reply #50)

Thu Dec 26, 2019, 11:17 PM

Dec 2019

one should.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Hav

(5,969 posts)

7. Strange poll and the complete numbers are missing

Reply to Uncle Joe (Original post)

Mon Dec 23, 2019, 02:04 PM

Dec 2019

Is this a celebration that Bernie would get 39% in a matchup against Trump and that only 74% of Democrats would vote for him?
Both numbers would indicate a historic landslide for Trump.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Thekaspervote

(32,773 posts)

10. This!

Reply to Hav (Reply #7)

Mon Dec 23, 2019, 02:12 PM

Dec 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

NYMinute

(3,256 posts)

25. Trump would win 42-45 states if Bernie is the nominee.

Reply to Hav (Reply #7)

Mon Dec 23, 2019, 07:42 PM

Dec 2019

The national polls mean nothing.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

OldRed2450

(710 posts)

9. Where's the poll?

Reply to Uncle Joe (Original post)

Mon Dec 23, 2019, 02:11 PM

Dec 2019

Newsweek said Sanders won the debate. I saw the debate. Bernie had a bad night.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)

19. Newsweek nails it...everyone I've talk to, with few exceptions, concluded Bernie won the last debate

Reply to OldRed2450 (Reply #9)

Mon Dec 23, 2019, 05:01 PM

Dec 2019

Bernie crushed it!! Some thought Yang won the debate... he was terrific, I agree. The more I listen to him, the more I like him.

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

OldRed2450

(710 posts)

20. He didn't answer the questions as asked. lol

Reply to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #19)

Mon Dec 23, 2019, 06:02 PM

Dec 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)

57. An expert debater like Bernie knows to raise the points HE wants to make to HIS intended audience

Reply to OldRed2450 (Reply #20)

Thu Dec 26, 2019, 05:09 PM

Dec 2019

rather than to necessarily respond to points being made by the highly paid journalist spokesperson of a profit-oriented corporate media outlet.

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

Demsrule86

(68,586 posts)

51. He was the same as ever...he has less support than last time...which is why some think they can

Reply to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #19)

Thu Dec 26, 2019, 02:54 PM

Dec 2019

combine Warren and Sanders voters...which won't happen...I doubt some would support Warren if there was a serious effort as there are Hillary supporters in her numbers.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)

53. Let's see, 17 candidates this time around... seems like vastly different circumstances.

Reply to Demsrule86 (Reply #51)

Thu Dec 26, 2019, 03:26 PM

Dec 2019

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!

Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

Demsrule86

(68,586 posts)

59. It makes it harder for him...he doesn't stand out as much.

Reply to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #53)

Thu Dec 26, 2019, 11:04 PM

Dec 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)

60. Yes Dems.. but it makes it harder for EVERYBODY. Your making my point...

Reply to Demsrule86 (Reply #59)

Thu Dec 26, 2019, 11:11 PM

Dec 2019

Just because it's harder and, thus, Bernie numbers are down compared to 2016, that fact alone hardly means his chances of winning the nomination are significantly diminished.

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

lambchopp59

(2,809 posts)

11. the Sanders-Trump comparison compels more people to vote at the end of the day

Reply to Uncle Joe (Original post)

Mon Dec 23, 2019, 02:17 PM

Dec 2019

We need those small percentage points that can make a big difference on election day.
Once we've done the sorting-out process here, our candidate absolutely MUST have appeal to every voting demographic, must have platforms that makes Fox Noise create implausible confabulations that most anyone says... hmmm.
There's much can happen prior to November, and poll shifting will become apparent as the impeachment proceeding reaches even the "I'm not political" potential voter.
I've been able to change some hearts and minds using some tools and statistics that have made one previously right-wing supporter couple change their way of thinking with this:
https://www.overshootday.org/
Yes, it soaked though 2 previously deluded souls (couple who lives next door) who SHUT OFF FOX NOISE and started really thinking about their grandchildren's futures.
I don't care who wins the nomination in the wash.
I do care that their platform must not be weak on environmental activism.
I challenge all of us D.U.er's to reach out to family, even the Trumpers, about these matters. Getting stuck one candidate who is running ahead in the polls-- which tend to only reflect the desires most politically involved is
one way to create a repeat of 2016.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

highplainsdem

(49,000 posts)

13. Unusual poll, but there was only a 1-point difference in how well they did against Trump.

Reply to Uncle Joe (Original post)

Mon Dec 23, 2019, 02:28 PM

Dec 2019

Biden beats Trump 37-36. In this unusual poll, Sanders beats Trump 39-37.

https://www.ipsos.com/sites/default/files/ct/news/documents/2019-12/topline_reuters_impeachment_vote_12_19_2019.pdf

The Newesweek article, which is trying to hype Sanders, just points out the 39-37 difference, as if Sanders does 2 points better against Trump than Biden does. Not the most honest journalism..

As was pointed out in another reply here, when GE polls are averaged, Biden does much better against Trump than Sanders does.

But hey, cling to your poll showing Sanders for a change doing 1 point better than Biden...

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Uncle Joe

(58,365 posts)

14. I don't give this poll any more credence than any other individual poll, just

Reply to highplainsdem (Reply #13)

Mon Dec 23, 2019, 02:31 PM

Dec 2019

that this article came out today.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

NYMinute

(3,256 posts)

26. The MOE for that poll is probably 4 to 5

Reply to highplainsdem (Reply #13)

Mon Dec 23, 2019, 07:43 PM

Dec 2019

Completely crappy numbers.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

highplainsdem

(49,000 posts)

15. They did 2 polls the same days, got different results. This one overpolled Republicans.

Reply to Uncle Joe (Original post)

Mon Dec 23, 2019, 03:18 PM

Dec 2019

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287391686

In the poll that didn't overpoll Republicans, Biden did as well as Sanders, and Warren also beat Trump.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Uncle Joe

(58,365 posts)

16. Okay, so would the upshot be that Bernie does better with Republican voters? n/t

Reply to highplainsdem (Reply #15)

Mon Dec 23, 2019, 03:46 PM

Dec 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

highplainsdem

(49,000 posts)

17. I don't know. And it's a very small difference, 1 point, and with rounding it might be less

Reply to Uncle Joe (Reply #16)

Mon Dec 23, 2019, 03:54 PM

Dec 2019

than that.

I just wish Ipsos hadn't released two polls referring to the same dates, with different results, because it's going to cause a lot of confusion.

I'd posted the results of their other Dec. 18-19 GE poll last Friday:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287389236

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

PhoenixDem

(581 posts)

27. IN ALL CAPS EVEN!

Reply to Uncle Joe (Original post)

Mon Dec 23, 2019, 07:46 PM

Dec 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

myohmy2

(3,163 posts)

64. that's...

Reply to PhoenixDem (Reply #27)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 12:41 AM

Dec 2019

...because it's important...

...

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

OnDoutside

(19,960 posts)

29. Top Marx to Uncle Joe for effort !

Reply to Uncle Joe (Original post)

Mon Dec 23, 2019, 08:01 PM

Dec 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

whistler162

(11,155 posts)

30. However, Biden can afford a keyboard

Reply to Uncle Joe (Original post)

Mon Dec 23, 2019, 08:10 PM

Dec 2019

where the caps lock key works!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Gothmog

(145,293 posts)

45. CNN disagrees

Reply to Uncle Joe (Original post)

Wed Dec 25, 2019, 11:15 PM

Dec 2019

Link to tweet

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

booley

(3,855 posts)

46. Electability is all Biden seems to have

Reply to Uncle Joe (Original post)

Thu Dec 26, 2019, 03:11 AM

Dec 2019

IF that goes away, he has a problem

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

Gothmog

(145,293 posts)

48. Joe has the best platform

Reply to booley (Reply #46)

Thu Dec 26, 2019, 02:48 PM

Dec 2019

Link to tweet

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)

58. I don't think Joe even has electability on his side... Joe could lose 40 states to Dolt 45

Reply to booley (Reply #46)

Thu Dec 26, 2019, 05:14 PM

Dec 2019

if he is nominated. Bernie has a far better shot of defeating the pee-Resident, as his nomination will fire up the Democratic base to go out and vote.

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!