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Fiendish Thingy

(15,623 posts)
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 02:41 PM Dec 2019

In case you needed more evidence of the untapped power of young voters:




Our mission is to work to increase the share of young voters who are likely voters, not playing it "safe" with appeals to the mythical center.
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In case you needed more evidence of the untapped power of young voters: (Original Post) Fiendish Thingy Dec 2019 OP
Being a boomer Faux pas Dec 2019 #1
I'm a boomer too Fiendish Thingy Dec 2019 #2
The real truth about the boomers is not a pretty story. Boomers are typically considered to walkingman Dec 2019 #3
Not sure I agree with your analysis, but... jmbar2 Dec 2019 #8
+1 OKNancy Dec 2019 #15
This is ridiculous.... boomer_wv Dec 2019 #39
White Boomers are responsible for Trump, were responsible for "W", and were responsible for Reagan. walkingman Dec 2019 #18
I think this is a Russian disinformation meme. jmbar2 Dec 2019 #23
Stein and the fucking green left is responsible for Trump. Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #50
+1000 emmaverybo Dec 2019 #35
That's not my experience OKNancy Dec 2019 #14
I think it really comes down to a rich boomer or the boomers who did not get their piece of the pie. LiberalArkie Dec 2019 #32
Lots of "New Left" people were born in late 40s, I believe. David__77 Dec 2019 #34
Being a Gen Xer with a lot of aunts, uncles, nieces, and nephews scattered throughout the country loyalsister Dec 2019 #44
I've been hearing for decades Dem4Life1102 Dec 2019 #4
This time is going to be different Jose Garcia Dec 2019 #6
Been hearing that for decades too Dem4Life1102 Dec 2019 #16
2018 had record youth turnout Downtown Hound Dec 2019 #19
We'll see Dem4Life1102 Dec 2019 #29
I'm leaving this earth in the next 20+ years. Hulk Dec 2019 #5
That's been my experience as well. Ligyron Dec 2019 #31
My Gen X age peers and elders had their chance and have FAILED loyalsister Dec 2019 #45
I think the rapid rise in school shootings has galvanized the most recent younger generation. not_the_one Dec 2019 #47
I agree with your sentiment. David__77 Dec 2019 #7
Sign up for the Selective Service should be an AUTO voting registration. joost5 Dec 2019 #9
Kick. zentrum Dec 2019 #10
Most of my boomer friends want him gone like yesterday. kimbutgar Dec 2019 #11
Definitely not the case in Texas.......sadly. walkingman Dec 2019 #22
Just keep reporting SCVDem Dec 2019 #12
Quite the perspective Fiendish Thingy Dec 2019 #20
And people wonder why younger Americans are jaded and cynical. redqueen Dec 2019 #24
Right, it's our fault! SCVDem Dec 2019 #30
You mean this "boomer" started Earth Day? essme Dec 2019 #36
Gaylord Nelson D Wi. SCVDem Dec 2019 #37
Go light a candle. Born in 1916. essme Dec 2019 #38
YEAH! Skittles Dec 2019 #13
So happy to see that statistics prove we are young at heart!❤ Karadeniz Dec 2019 #17
This is, in part, a reflection of GOP voter suppression efforts over the last 40 yrs. BuffaloJackalope Dec 2019 #21
I hope this election marks another high point in youth turnout. nt redqueen Dec 2019 #25
The "mythical center" is much more reliable than young voters. TwilightZone Dec 2019 #26
The real voting world is that mythical center Awsi Dooger Dec 2019 #33
Obama was the right squirecam Dec 2019 #46
Nice they register their preference when it really doesn't matter. Show up at polls Hoyt Dec 2019 #27
If one does not vote, one has no voice. guillaumeb Dec 2019 #28
It's not so much "untapped" as "unreliable" Recursion Dec 2019 #40
Our time is over. PDittie Dec 2019 #41
And what better way to pass the torch than to elect an 80 year old who just had a heart attack. MrsCoffee Dec 2019 #43
Nonsense. There is no torch....and everyone is important. Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #51
It's untapped because they don't vote. MrsCoffee Dec 2019 #42
Yes, true they don't vote. Turin_C3PO Dec 2019 #48
It w a snt the youth. Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #53
We have to work like hell focusing on younger Dem GOT efforts. Get em into the habit of voting NOW. JudyM Dec 2019 #49
Waste of time. Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #52
 

Faux pas

(14,681 posts)
1. Being a boomer
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 02:48 PM
Dec 2019

I'm having a hard time believing so many of us are so unenlightened. I am ashamed

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Fiendish Thingy

(15,623 posts)
2. I'm a boomer too
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 02:52 PM
Dec 2019

Some folks become more fearful, selfish and easy to manipulate as they get older.

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walkingman

(7,627 posts)
3. The real truth about the boomers is not a pretty story. Boomers are typically considered to
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 04:05 PM
Dec 2019

have been born between '46 and '64. It is almost impossible to name a single person born after 1945 who played any kind of role in the civil-rights movement, Students for a Democratic Society, the New Left, the antiwar movement, or the Black Panthers during the 1960's. Those movements were all started by older, usually much older, people. They played no major role in the passage of the Civil Rights Act or the Voting Rights Act, or in the decisions of the Warren Court. Almost none of the musicians who were popular during that era were boomers they were mostly all born before 1945.

Most supported the Vietnam War, the Iraqi and Afganistan War, and in fact almost all the conflicts post WWII.

We (I'm a boomer - born 1950) can pretend to be a 60's person but none of it was our idea.

SORRY but as a boomer I think I can truthfully say that we are leaving a fucked up world to later generations and although many seem to not have much confidence in the post-boomer generations - I think they represent what many of of present day Democrats believe in these days. It is easy to see why many are cynical.

I just hope we can get them (the youth of America) to the polls in order to stop this madness that has been brought on by my generation.

Peace!

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jmbar2

(4,890 posts)
8. Not sure I agree with your analysis, but...
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 05:02 PM
Dec 2019

My friends and I spent a lot of time at protests, getting heads bashed in and breathing tear gas. We helped found free clinics, some of the first food coops, worked in low income social service agencies and pursued teaching careers trying to make a difference.

These choices have led many of us to a lower level of income than the corporate folks, but we are legion. We are the only ones keeping my local Democratic precincts alive. When I am doing voter registration, I always ask the young'uns, "Please come and replace me. We need you!" They laugh and walk on.

It's easy to make blanket generalizations that seek to pit the generations against each other. These strategies being used against all of our best interests - causing division, despair and apathy towards maintaining our democracy.

I'm not going to participate in that. We are all in this fight together. Young folks, please come and replace me. I will hang on as long as I can until you get here.

XOXOX - Boomer Grandma.

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boomer_wv

(673 posts)
39. This is ridiculous....
Tue Dec 24, 2019, 01:45 AM
Dec 2019

We expect people who were born in 1945 and after to have been deeply involved in the civil rights movement? A few were in their early 20s but most of them were between 5 and 15 years old at that time. And the ones were were old enough certainly were involved. Are we saying that only people who were in their late 20s were involved? Those people were the leaders, but there are plenty of people who were in the Boomer generation that were putting in time just as the poster a couple up was mentioning.

Give it a few more years and tell me who was on the frontlines of protesting the war in Vietnam. Who were the kids getting shot at Kent State, as one example.

We are in this time when we feel like we need to go back and retroactively wash away everything that this group did do, just because they are now a more conservative block, as every other generation has done as they get older as well. The silent generation that we as ascribing so much of the civil rights movement to was a pretty conservative group as they go into their 60s and 70s as well.

It seems like the progressive wing of this party is very interested in telling everyone how wrong they are about everything and why they are terrible. We aren't going to win much of anything ever if that's the path we are going to take.

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walkingman

(7,627 posts)
18. White Boomers are responsible for Trump, were responsible for "W", and were responsible for Reagan.
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 06:14 PM
Dec 2019

I wasn't nor were almost everyone I knew at the time but we were a minority - even though it seemed everyone we knew disagreed. I'm not saying I like it but it is a fact.

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jmbar2

(4,890 posts)
23. I think this is a Russian disinformation meme.
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 07:14 PM
Dec 2019

An example of "reflexive control", that seeks to shape our perceptions so that we make decisions in their favor.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/328562833_Russian_Reflexive_Control


I'm not buying it.

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Demsrule86

(68,586 posts)
50. Stein and the fucking green left is responsible for Trump.
Fri Dec 27, 2019, 01:59 AM
Dec 2019
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OKNancy

(41,832 posts)
14. That's not my experience
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 05:31 PM
Dec 2019

You must have not been to the university I went to.
It was crawling with SDS. A bunch of male chauvinist pigs.. lol - left that group quick.

Stereotypes suck.

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LiberalArkie

(15,719 posts)
32. I think it really comes down to a rich boomer or the boomers who did not get their piece of the pie.
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 09:00 PM
Dec 2019
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David__77

(23,420 posts)
34. Lots of "New Left" people were born in late 40s, I believe.
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 10:34 PM
Dec 2019

Maybe not some of the leaders who were a bit older. The thing is, this was hardly a generational majority.

As a teenager, I knew lots of people of this generation and am thankful for their support and political activity.

There is general progress in society, even through the various reactionary presidencies like Reagan, the Bushes, and Trump too. Sometimes new generations adopt new ideas more easily than people who already shaped a firmer worldview.

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loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
44. Being a Gen Xer with a lot of aunts, uncles, nieces, and nephews scattered throughout the country
Tue Dec 24, 2019, 05:12 PM
Dec 2019

These numbers do not surprise me one bit.

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Dem4Life1102

(3,974 posts)
4. I've been hearing for decades
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 04:10 PM
Dec 2019

that we just need to get more young people to vote. Some years have been better than others but they never vote in the same numbers as older voters.

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Jose Garcia

(2,598 posts)
6. This time is going to be different
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 04:48 PM
Dec 2019
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Dem4Life1102

(3,974 posts)
16. Been hearing that for decades too
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 05:36 PM
Dec 2019
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Downtown Hound

(12,618 posts)
19. 2018 had record youth turnout
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 06:16 PM
Dec 2019

Which is ultimately why the Dems recaptured the house. This year it very well MIGHT be different.

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Hulk

(6,699 posts)
5. I'm leaving this earth in the next 20+ years.
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 04:43 PM
Dec 2019

They are just getting started. It is going to be THEIR mess! They had better figure this out. I haven't the greatest amount of confidence they will. I've had experience passing out voter registration cards, and the younger voters were so arrogant and proud to not be voters, and even have NEVER voted. Like it was a badge of honor. Idiots. That was some 15 years ago, but I'm not terribly hopeful. May just be too late...but we can hope?

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Ligyron

(7,633 posts)
31. That's been my experience as well.
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 08:52 PM
Dec 2019

Sad and quite discouraging.

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loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
45. My Gen X age peers and elders had their chance and have FAILED
Tue Dec 24, 2019, 05:16 PM
Dec 2019

The young people I know give me hope.

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not_the_one

(2,227 posts)
47. I think the rapid rise in school shootings has galvanized the most recent younger generation.
Tue Dec 24, 2019, 11:57 PM
Dec 2019

I have great hope for them.

They are very aware the world may become uninhabitable during their lifetime. That is enough to get anyone's attention.

They are still young, full of energy, and can still believe in impossibilities becoming possible. I'll help in every way that I can. But yes, they can, and SHOULD, take my place.

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David__77

(23,420 posts)
7. I agree with your sentiment.
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 04:56 PM
Dec 2019

...

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joost5

(421 posts)
9. Sign up for the Selective Service should be an AUTO voting registration.
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 05:04 PM
Dec 2019

Old enough to die for our country, old enough to be automatically registered to vote.

Also, there should be a national (PAID) holiday for voting day.

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kimbutgar

(21,157 posts)
11. Most of my boomer friends want him gone like yesterday.
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 05:15 PM
Dec 2019

It must be the southern and Midwest boomers who are dying off at a faster rate than coastal boomers like me.

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walkingman

(7,627 posts)
22. Definitely not the case in Texas.......sadly.
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 07:11 PM
Dec 2019
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SCVDem

(5,103 posts)
12. Just keep reporting
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 05:18 PM
Dec 2019

On how many are being removed and disenfranchised.

It the young don't care, then fuck them.

Quit blaming us for the world you will die in!

Don't vote? Don't bitch!

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Fiendish Thingy

(15,623 posts)
20. Quite the perspective
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 06:22 PM
Dec 2019
It the young don't care, then fuck them.


Would you say that about any other subgroup of the electorate? POC? Women?

Young voters are the greatest untapped source of predictable Dem voters, period. To write them off rather than invest the money and effort to discover how best to increase their turnout at the polls is,the epitome of foolishness.
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redqueen

(115,103 posts)
24. And people wonder why younger Americans are jaded and cynical.
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 08:19 PM
Dec 2019

Way too many older folks are leaving a festering sewer and sneering at the youth for not being excited to clean it up for them.

And they get huffy about "ok Boomer". Unreal

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SCVDem

(5,103 posts)
30. Right, it's our fault!
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 08:48 PM
Dec 2019

We were at the front of the anti war movement and started Earth Day!
The rivers were on fire or foaming before we got active.

The point is the same!

If you do not vote, you lose the right to complain.

I apologize if I hurt anyone's feelings.

I will be dead soon enough. I am obsolete!

Should I die faster?

Under the bridge is only a short paycheck away!

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essme

(1,207 posts)
36. You mean this "boomer" started Earth Day?
Tue Dec 24, 2019, 12:21 AM
Dec 2019
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McConnell_(peace_activist)

Born in 1915...

Maybe you meant Pogo?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walt_Kelly

Or Marc McGinnes?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_McGinnes

1941 not a boomer by any calculations.

How about the great mind that came up with Earth Day?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian_Koenig

And as for starting the anti-war movement puhleese...no one owns that one.

Better yet please stop making up Boomer myths.



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SCVDem

(5,103 posts)
37. Gaylord Nelson D Wi.
Tue Dec 24, 2019, 12:35 AM
Dec 2019
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essme

(1,207 posts)
38. Go light a candle. Born in 1916.
Tue Dec 24, 2019, 12:55 AM
Dec 2019

And:

In 1969 at a UNESCO Conference in San Francisco, peace activist John McConnell proposed a day to honor the Earth and the concept of peace, to first be celebrated on March 21, 1970, the first day of spring in the northern hemisphere. This day of nature's equipoise was later sanctioned in a proclamation written by McConnell and signed by Secretary General U Thant at the United Nations.

A month later a separate Earth Day was founded by United States Senator Gaylord Nelson as an environmental teach-in first held on April 22, 1970. Nelson was later awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom award in recognition of his work.[6] While this April 22 Earth Day was focused on the United States, an organization launched by Denis Hayes, who was the original national coordinator in 1970, took it international in 1990 and organized events in 141 nations.[7][8]

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Skittles

(153,169 posts)
13. YEAH!
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 05:23 PM
Dec 2019

LOVE those young folk

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Karadeniz

(22,531 posts)
17. So happy to see that statistics prove we are young at heart!❤
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 05:38 PM
Dec 2019
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BuffaloJackalope

(818 posts)
21. This is, in part, a reflection of GOP voter suppression efforts over the last 40 yrs.
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 06:35 PM
Dec 2019
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redqueen

(115,103 posts)
25. I hope this election marks another high point in youth turnout. nt
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 08:20 PM
Dec 2019
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TwilightZone

(25,471 posts)
26. The "mythical center" is much more reliable than young voters.
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 08:30 PM
Dec 2019

It's where the majority of the electorate is, including Democrats. More than half of Democrats self-identify as moderates and conservatives.

Assuming that this reliable voting bloc is mythical would be a losing proposition for any campaign that does so. It one wants to lose, that's a good way to start.

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Awsi Dooger

(14,565 posts)
33. The real voting world is that mythical center
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 10:08 PM
Dec 2019

I've made that point here and on other sites like defunct MyDD for the past 20 years. I am liberal but only a masochistic nutcase would somehow believe that forcing liberals onto the national electorate is the ideal plan.

We could have gotten away with it in 2008 because the situational slant was heavily in our favor due to Bush's sustained 35-42% approval rating since Katrina, the economy tanking, and voters ready to change parties after 8 years of Republican rule. That was the time to nominate someone like Elizabeth Warren. She could have pushed through meaningful legislation including better health care, etc.

If we try that type of thing now against an incumbent whose party has been in power only one term, the situational realities will reject us without concern. I get tied of pointing out that 46% of Floridians dismissed Andrew Gillum as too liberal for the state, and likewise 42% of Georgia voters with Stacey Abrams. The midwestern job loss has made those states a heck of a lot more problematic than they were a decade ago.

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squirecam

(2,706 posts)
46. Obama was the right
Tue Dec 24, 2019, 05:24 PM
Dec 2019

Person in 2008.

And then Dems do what they usually do in midterms. Stay home.

Obama didn’t let us down. The voters let him down.

And Warren would not have won in 2008. It took Obama to beat HRC, and that was only because Obama was that good on stage. Warren has a lot of plans. But she wouldn’t have beaten Hillary.

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Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
27. Nice they register their preference when it really doesn't matter. Show up at polls
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 08:32 PM
Dec 2019

where it counts.

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guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
28. If one does not vote, one has no voice.
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 08:34 PM
Dec 2019

And turnout is much higher among older voters.

The GOP knows this, and that is also why younger and non-white voters are being targeted for voter suppression.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Recursion

(56,582 posts)
40. It's not so much "untapped" as "unreliable"
Tue Dec 24, 2019, 10:07 AM
Dec 2019

Old people vote. Young people sometimes vote.

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PDittie

(8,322 posts)
41. Our time is over.
Tue Dec 24, 2019, 10:23 AM
Dec 2019

The torch should be -- graciously -- passed to the generation that must live with the consequences of climate change (among many, many other deleterious social ills).

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MrsCoffee

(5,803 posts)
43. And what better way to pass the torch than to elect an 80 year old who just had a heart attack.
Tue Dec 24, 2019, 10:43 AM
Dec 2019

Brilliant!

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Demsrule86

(68,586 posts)
51. Nonsense. There is no torch....and everyone is important.
Fri Dec 27, 2019, 02:00 AM
Dec 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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MrsCoffee

(5,803 posts)
42. It's untapped because they don't vote.
Tue Dec 24, 2019, 10:42 AM
Dec 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Turin_C3PO

(14,004 posts)
48. Yes, true they don't vote.
Wed Dec 25, 2019, 01:52 AM
Dec 2019

But we need to try and change that. Many youth showed up in 2018 and gave us the House. Let’s hope even more vote in 2020!

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Demsrule86

(68,586 posts)
53. It w a snt the youth.
Fri Dec 27, 2019, 02:01 AM
Dec 2019
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JudyM

(29,251 posts)
49. We have to work like hell focusing on younger Dem GOT efforts. Get em into the habit of voting NOW.
Wed Dec 25, 2019, 11:52 PM
Dec 2019
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