Or is that just asking too much of him?

If Bidden loses to Warren, Pete, or Sanders I hope he will be gracious as well.

I don't think anyone can ever point to any instance when he wasn't gracious and, in fact, can cite countless instances in which he displayed extraordinary grace.

So there's no reason to even speculate about whether he will be gracious if he weren't to win the nomination. That's as much a waste of time as hoping water is wet.

Generally speaking, Joe's a decent guy, though he can't be compared to Bernie with his enormous graciousness and kindness, and his limitless consideration of the less fortunate over corporate interests. Bernie is #1 in that department, without question!!


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

Never stops to think the solution to the problems might not be between the two parties,but outside both paradigms.

So, under the "Bernie Standard," Joe should concede the primary to Bernie!! I mean, that's what they said when Joe polled best against the Shitstain-in-Chief... what's good for the goose (you know the rest!).


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

And, interestingly, much of Biden's support may be shakily premised on "electability." For instance, in a California poll, Biden's support was reduced nearly 50% when respondents were asked to give their preference without regard to the matter of electability. If more people become convinced that Biden is not so electable, it may spell serious trouble for his bid. There are several ways that that scenario could come about.

See this OP:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287391686


In the one that DIDN'T overpoll Republicans, Biden did as well as Sanders, and Warren also beat Trump.

Check and mate!

done on the same days Newsweek is referring to. It's the one that oversampled Republicans and has all the Dems doing worse against Trump.

Now to see if this holds up consistently as time goes on.

But I am saying we need to look at all the aggregate polls

.....Millenniums really support him. The old socialist is actually the future. I think he's the one who could really beat Trump.

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and not just this particularly ridiculous claim.

DU is the biggest forum for Democrats and always attracts a good number of LWers wired to oppose the large center of LW power (Democratic Party), but even here Sanders is at 8%.

I've read that, in order to override investigative and analytic media as much as possible, Sanders has developed a very sophisticated social media reach directly to voters. Does he even need 2016-type Russian interference now that it's up and running with reportedly truly outstanding amounts of data? His covering the nation with his positive messages about himself and others about the Democratic Party and other candidates would presumably explain the numbers.

Or not.

We know Democrats average...liberal moderate, not at all radical or socialist. Could Sanders' message that socialism is really just things like public roads and public schools and that America actually already is socialist, absolutely nothing to fear or reject in him really be so successfully deceptive that it draws the kinds of numbers some pollsters are claiming?

Could Sanders's social media operations have conceivably wiped out memory of his role in electing Trump and McConnell from most Democratic minds?

Could lifelong anti- liberal Democrat Sanders actually generate more confidence in liberal Democrats than liberal VP Biden?

For me, the kind of figures we're seeing don't pass the gut or brain test.

"I am not now, nor have I ever been, a liberal Democrat." Thing is, the vast majority of us are.

I know, not here. (and I mean this in a conversational way, not debate .

But there's something about him that gets folks thinking or interested or excited. Even among polled supporters, Biden doesn't generate that (folks say, well, he'll be the best to win because he's sort of middle of the road - or can get those toss up states).

In the end, I think Biden will get the nod (I don't support that, of course). But I think we'll gravitate to that.

My fear remains that at the top of the ticket, lukewarm support nationally won't get out enough of the vote. (also, I have policy differences, but those aside).

Anyway, I think that head to head excitement gets folks pulled in Sanders direction

He's a one-trick pony but it's a good one: ability to deliver simple messages every bit as good as Sarah Palin's was, with a whiff of authoritarian strength she couldn't manage.

How people respond to Sanders' socialist-populist call depends on the interaction of their personalities with his, but it also depends on what kind of messages he and others are sending out. Sanders is what he's always been. His range of interests is very limited but passionate, and he hasn't changed in 50 years.

I see 3 differences between the Sanders who couldn't give his socialist tracts away on street corners and now.

Sanders has always been a democratic socialist but has learned to stop talking about a list of industries to be seized for communal ownership to now claiming apple pie is socialism. I was flabbergasted at all the Sanders supporters here who insist he isn't socialist and also have no idea what socialism is. Until I read what he was feeding them more lately.

The horrifically successful weaponization of social media in politics. The dominant influence has currently been to deceive and to appeal to the worst in people. Powerful nation states are using it to destroy democracies and elect hard-core conservative governments to that end. This includes promoting dissident candidates to splinter away votes, and of course electing very destructive ones.

And out of this the obscure gadfly with no significant achievements and a questionable fondness for failed socialist revolutions and their dictators, including Russia, that never raised more than a shrug before is supposedly seen by Democrats as our strongest candidate against Trump? The same Democrats who watched Russia use him to defeat Democrats and the RW character assassins turn a boring Hillary's home server into a major scandal that's still active?

You say he's exciting the numbers of Democrats some polls suggest. Just can't be. We know the same enemy machines would soon have mobs demanding Sanders be thrown in prison and Democrats wondering just how much truth there was to them, and sooner. We're not all stupid or ignorant, most believe in what we've created, very few Democratic voters are drawn to extremism, and you could almost count on your fingers the number who want a democratic socialist America. This doesn't pass the whiff test.

That is all.

Bernie's got the BIG MO'... just waitin' for Joe to pull out all the stops against Bernie, and then will know it's almost over for Joe.


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

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But that makes a more boring headline, I know.

Are we now going to have this forum inundated by the same stories, again and again, by the "usual suspects?"

That should concern us