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Uncle Joe

(58,366 posts)
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 04:11 PM Dec 2019

Opinion How 'Centrist Bias' Hurts Sanders and Warren



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Last month, Harris wrote a column that I can’t get out of my head. In it, he argued that political journalism suffers from “centrist bias.” As he explained, “This bias is marked by an instinctual suspicion of anything suggesting ideological zealotry, an admiration for difference-splitting, a conviction that politics should be a tidier and more rational process than it usually is.”

Centrist bias, as I see it, confuses the idea of centrism (which is very much an ideology) with objectivity and fairness. It’s an understandable confusion, because American politics is dominated by the two major parties, one on the left and one on the right. And the overwhelming majority of journalists at so-called mainstream outlets — national magazines, newspapers, public radio, the non-Fox television networks — really are doing their best to treat both parties fairly.

In doing so, however, they often make an honest mistake: They equate balance with the midpoint between the two parties’ ideologies. Over the years, many press critics have pointed out one weakness of this approach: false equivalence, the refusal to consider the possibility that one side of an argument is simply (or mostly) right.

But that’s not the only problem. There’s also the possibility that both political parties have been wrong about something and that the solution, rather than being roughly halfway between their answers, is different from what either has been proposing.

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https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/22/opinion/warren-sanders-wealth-tax.html

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Opinion How 'Centrist Bias' Hurts Sanders and Warren (Original Post) Uncle Joe Dec 2019 OP
"If Warren and Sanders are going to be asked whether their solutions go too far, crazytown Dec 2019 #1
Answer: better to actually get elected and build up incremental change... brooklynite Dec 2019 #5
Exactly. highplainsdem Dec 2019 #6
elected on what? booley Dec 2019 #7
That is up to the electorate to decide. beastie boy Dec 2019 #11
Good points! zentrum Dec 2019 #9
Biden is asked this question all the time. And the consensus answer is, no they are not too timid. beastie boy Dec 2019 #10
Yes! This ! I_UndergroundPanther Dec 2019 #2
Nonsense. highplainsdem Dec 2019 #3
Here is some more. Uncle Joe Dec 2019 #4
The mutability fo the center has always been a problem for me booley Dec 2019 #8
half your life as a republican and half as a democrat. sounds centrist to me lol nt msongs Dec 2019 #12
Hmmm... "centrist bias". That's something new! And who are the victims? beastie boy Dec 2019 #13
some people like a perpetual shroud of victimhood lol nt msongs Dec 2019 #14
 

crazytown

(7,277 posts)
1. "If Warren and Sanders are going to be asked whether their solutions go too far,
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 04:19 PM
Dec 2019

Joe Biden should be asked whether his solutions are too timid"

The word 'corruption' was MIA on the Biden Campaign page for months. Getting money out of politics encompasses much more than electoral reform. Pete has a section of 'Special Interests' that does not mention 'lobbyists' (there, or elsewhere).

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brooklynite

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5. Answer: better to actually get elected and build up incremental change...
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 04:41 PM
Dec 2019
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booley

(3,855 posts)
7. elected on what?
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 04:55 PM
Dec 2019

We'll work on this down the road? A little. Maybe.

How many Centrists have to lose elections before we ask if maybe it's not going to get people to vote?

Kick the Can is not going to win elections.

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beastie boy

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11. That is up to the electorate to decide.
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 05:15 PM
Dec 2019

But if you are really interested in what Biden wants to get elected on, it's all here:
https://joebiden.com/joes-vision/

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beastie boy

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10. Biden is asked this question all the time. And the consensus answer is, no they are not too timid.
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 05:11 PM
Dec 2019

They are exactly what the electorate wants.

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I_UndergroundPanther

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2. Yes! This !
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 04:21 PM
Dec 2019

Kick kick a thousand times kicked!!!

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Uncle Joe

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4. Here is some more.
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 04:34 PM
Dec 2019


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This seemingly radical possibility turns out to be quite common, as the historian Arthur Schlesinger Jr. — author of the classic book, “The Vital Center,” no less — pointed out. The abolition of slavery, women’s suffrage, labor rights, the New Deal, civil rights for black Americans, Reagan’s laissez-faire revolution and same-sex marriage all started outside the boundaries of what either party favored. “The most consequential history,” Harris wrote, “is usually not driven by the center.”

Political and economic journalism too often assumes otherwise and treats the center as inherently sensible. This year’s Democratic presidential campaign has been a good case study. The skeptical questions posed to the more moderate Democrats are frequently about style or tactics: Are you too old? Too young? Too rich? Too far behind in the polls?

The skeptical questions for the more progressive candidates, Sanders and Warren, often challenge the substance of their ideas: Are you too radical? Are you being realistic? And, by golly, how would you pay for it all?

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Experts who favor a wealth tax, like Gene Sperling, Felicia Wong and Heather Boushey, or whose academic research suggests it would work, like Lily Batchelder and David Kamin, have received less attention than experts who don’t like the idea. For that matter, the complaints of obscure billionaires have gotten more attention than the arguments of sympathetic experts. “Billionaire whining about a wealth tax,” as Ilyana Kuziemko, a Princeton economist who’s sympathetic to a wealth tax told me, mostly isn’t newsworthy.

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https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/22/opinion/warren-sanders-wealth-tax.html

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booley

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8. The mutability fo the center has always been a problem for me
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 04:57 PM
Dec 2019

They only stand for things the left already won for them
And they oppose anything the left is fighting for now

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msongs

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12. half your life as a republican and half as a democrat. sounds centrist to me lol nt
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 05:26 PM
Dec 2019
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beastie boy

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13. Hmmm... "centrist bias". That's something new! And who are the victims?
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 05:33 PM
Dec 2019

Not David Duke, not Stephen Miller, not Steve Bannon... it's Sanders and Warren!

Are we preparing grounds for accusations of majority bias, just in time for the Democratic Convention?

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msongs

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14. some people like a perpetual shroud of victimhood lol nt
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 05:56 PM
Dec 2019
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