Democratic Primaries

Uncle Joe

(58,364 posts) Mon Dec 23, 2019, 07:16 PM Dec 2019

'Bernie Blackout' Strikes Again? Despite Iowa Poll Average Showing Sanders in Solid 2nd, CNN

CNN Uses Old Poll to Show Him in 4th

After CNN on Monday reportedly twice displayed a six-week-old poll from Iowa showing Bernie Sanders in fourth-place among hopefuls for the 2020 Democratic presidential nomination to viewers, ignoring more recent polling showing the Vermont senator climbing to a strong second behind South Bend, Indiana Mayor Pete Buttigieg, progressives struck back.

CNN, which brands itself as "the most trusted name in news," used a CNN/Des Moines Register survey from mid-November showing Sanders in fourth place with 15% of Iowans backing his bid. Real Clear Politics shows the senator with support of 22% and 21%, second to Soouth Bend, Indiana Mayor Pete Buttigieg, in more recent polling.

Sanders rival Julián Castro was among those who took to Twitter to decry the choice, saying that just because it was CNN's poll, that didn't justify presenting the old information to viewers in late December.

"Publish a timely poll instead," Castro added. "Journalistic integrity shouldn't be sacrificed for corporate interests."

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https://www.commondreams.org/news/2019/12/23/bernie-blackout-strikes-again-despite-iowa-poll-average-showing-sanders-solid-2nd

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'Bernie Blackout' Strikes Again? Despite Iowa Poll Average Showing Sanders in Solid 2nd, CNN (Original Post) Uncle Joe Dec 2019 OP

CNN showing their own poll instead of that of the competition? beastie boy Dec 2019 #1

Corporate "self interest" is totally at the heart of it Uncle Joe Dec 2019 #2

Don't flatter Bernie. This is a really lame example of corporate interest being beastie boy Dec 2019 #7

Does the desperation come gift-wrapped? TexasTowelie Dec 2019 #3

Here is some more. Uncle Joe Dec 2019 #5

bwaaaaahahahahahahahahahahahahaha nt NYMinute Dec 2019 #4

Boo - hoo Horizens Dec 2019 #6

Media organizations tend to use their own polls. TwilightZone Dec 2019 #8

there is no bernie blackout nt msongs Dec 2019 #9

commondreams. LOL...nt SidDithers Dec 2019 #10

Ha! NurseJackie Dec 2019 #11

Wow. The dismissive replies to this are shocking. redqueen Dec 2019 #12

The Bernie hate is real madville Dec 2019 #16

Well I'm happy to say that more voters in the younger demographic are not fooled. redqueen Dec 2019 #18

Meh. PDittie Dec 2019 #13

Yeah, when did we hear this before? MrsCoffee Dec 2019 #15

So the claim is Bernie is a victim of fake news? MrsCoffee Dec 2019 #14

If I were the journalist writing the story, I would show both the old and new karynnj Dec 2019 #17

Bernie fans are boomer_wv Dec 2019 #19

beastie boy

(9,370 posts)

1. CNN showing their own poll instead of that of the competition?

Reply to Uncle Joe (Original post)

Mon Dec 23, 2019, 07:32 PM

Dec 2019

Hey, let's not assume self-interest when a lame conspiracy theory will do! That's what I love about commondreams: they are never satisfied with the most obvious explanations. You can count on them to get creative!

Yes, I am being kind to them today.

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primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Uncle Joe

(58,364 posts)

2. Corporate "self interest" is totally at the heart of it

Reply to beastie boy (Reply #1)

Mon Dec 23, 2019, 07:34 PM

Dec 2019

that's we have been arguing about from the beginning.

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primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

beastie boy

(9,370 posts)

7. Don't flatter Bernie. This is a really lame example of corporate interest being

Reply to Uncle Joe (Reply #2)

Mon Dec 23, 2019, 07:48 PM

Dec 2019

the cause of "Bernie blackout" conspiracy theory that commondreams peddles. Incidental correlation and causation. Someone needs to explain the difference to them.

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primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

TexasTowelie

(112,232 posts)

3. Does the desperation come gift-wrapped?

Reply to Uncle Joe (Original post)

Mon Dec 23, 2019, 07:35 PM

Dec 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Uncle Joe

(58,364 posts)

5. Here is some more.

Reply to TexasTowelie (Reply #3)

Mon Dec 23, 2019, 07:39 PM

Dec 2019

(snip)

The CNN poll wasn't the only instance of perceived bias against the Sanders campaign from the mainstream media, dubbed the "Bernie Blackout" by the senator's supporters.

As Common Dreams reported over the weekend, Sanders held a 14,000-person-strong rally in Los Angeles Saturday with supporters including Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.), professor and activist Cornel West, actor Tim Robbins, and others.

But the Los Angeles Times did not do much in the eyes of observers to cover the event, despite the size and Sanders' top-place polling in California.

Link to tweet

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https://www.commondreams.org/news/2019/12/23/bernie-blackout-strikes-again-despite-iowa-poll-average-showing-sanders-solid-2nd

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NYMinute

(3,256 posts)

4. bwaaaaahahahahahahahahahahahahaha nt

Reply to Uncle Joe (Original post)

Mon Dec 23, 2019, 07:38 PM

Dec 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Horizens

(637 posts)

6. Boo - hoo

Reply to Uncle Joe (Original post)

Mon Dec 23, 2019, 07:41 PM

Dec 2019

Would you like some cheese with that whine?

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TwilightZone

(25,471 posts)

8. Media organizations tend to use their own polls.

Reply to Uncle Joe (Original post)

Mon Dec 23, 2019, 07:54 PM

Dec 2019

This is neither new, nor surprising.

It also has nothing to do with Bernie Sanders or how the media treats him.

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primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

msongs

(67,413 posts)

9. there is no bernie blackout nt

Reply to Uncle Joe (Original post)

Mon Dec 23, 2019, 09:54 PM

Dec 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)

10. commondreams. LOL...nt

Reply to Uncle Joe (Original post)

Mon Dec 23, 2019, 09:55 PM

Dec 2019

Sid

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)

11. Ha!

Reply to Uncle Joe (Original post)

Mon Dec 23, 2019, 09:55 PM

Dec 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

redqueen

(115,103 posts)

12. Wow. The dismissive replies to this are shocking.

Reply to Uncle Joe (Original post)

Tue Dec 24, 2019, 09:55 AM

Dec 2019

Really disappointing.

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madville

(7,412 posts)

16. The Bernie hate is real

Reply to redqueen (Reply #12)

Tue Dec 24, 2019, 10:50 AM

Dec 2019

Using a six week old poll is disingenuous at best, they know what they are doing as far as manipulating the perception of their audience. Bernie has a good shot at taking Iowa and NH and they aren’t going to promote that.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

redqueen

(115,103 posts)

18. Well I'm happy to say that more voters in the younger demographic are not fooled.

Reply to madville (Reply #16)

Tue Dec 24, 2019, 12:21 PM

Dec 2019

They don't depend on cable news for information and more and more of them are getting engaged in politics.

It's disturbing to think how shamelessly the MSM engages in this though. I guess you can fool some of the people most of the time, and that's the group they focus on.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

PDittie

(8,322 posts)

13. Meh.

Reply to Uncle Joe (Original post)

Tue Dec 24, 2019, 10:25 AM

Dec 2019

They're all going to be so stunned in about 45 days that they won't know whether to shit or wind their Apple Watches.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

MrsCoffee

(5,803 posts)

15. Yeah, when did we hear this before?

Reply to PDittie (Reply #13)

Tue Dec 24, 2019, 10:41 AM

Dec 2019

Bernie math. Always good for a chuckle.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

MrsCoffee

(5,803 posts)

14. So the claim is Bernie is a victim of fake news?

Reply to Uncle Joe (Original post)

Tue Dec 24, 2019, 10:40 AM

Dec 2019

Yeah, the resemblances grow day by day.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

karynnj

(59,504 posts)

17. If I were the journalist writing the story, I would show both the old and new

Reply to Uncle Joe (Original post)

Tue Dec 24, 2019, 11:33 AM

Dec 2019

Their poll is not just their poll, they are pairing with the Des Moines Register which is the gold standard in Iowa where polling to reflect the people who will caucus and their choice is notoriously difficult.

In fact, I would show the old versions of the new polls if there were any taken at the time of the Des Moines Register poll, the Des Moines Register poll, and the new polls. This allows two comparisons - were the November results similar and what is the movement IN THE SAME POLL from November to December.

Best case for accepting the new polls over the old one: The November results of the Des Moines Register poll were in the same range as the other polls and there is a shift between November to December in the polls released.

Best case for sticking with the Des Moines Register poll as the main view on Iowa - if there was a big difference in November between the other polls and the DMR poll AND the new polls from other sources did not show November to December shifts. Here, I still would mention the other polls, but make the case from history that the DMR poll is usually more accurate.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

boomer_wv

(673 posts)

19. Bernie fans are

Reply to Uncle Joe (Original post)

Tue Dec 24, 2019, 01:47 PM

Dec 2019

more sensitive than Trump voters at this point. Everything is a freaking conspiracy.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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