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MineralMan

(146,333 posts)
Fri Dec 27, 2019, 02:04 PM Dec 2019

We could play "Pick-A-Poll" all day long.

Somewhere, someone has taken a poll that makes almost any point. Individual polls are worthless in the guessing game that is primary politics prior to any primaries having been held. Only an aggregate of polls helps to see where things are going.

Posting some individual poll, especially one from a polling organization with a D- rating, is a waste of everyone's time. It might make you feel better, but it's just not relevant.

Phooey, I say. Phooey!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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Tiggeroshii

(11,088 posts)
1. As the saying goes
Fri Dec 27, 2019, 02:29 PM
Dec 2019

The only poll that matters in election day.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

MineralMan

(146,333 posts)
2. Indeed. I wish people would pay more attention to that,
Fri Dec 27, 2019, 02:40 PM
Dec 2019

instead of worthless individual polls that seem to make the point the person wants to make.

Really.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

keithbvadu2

(36,937 posts)
3. There are many polls.
Fri Dec 27, 2019, 02:50 PM
Dec 2019

There are many polls.

Pick the one you like and swear by it.

Swear at the others.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

MineralMan

(146,333 posts)
4. I almost never look at individual polls.
Fri Dec 27, 2019, 02:53 PM
Dec 2019

If I pay any attention to polling, it is to trends in the aggregated polls. Those are the best indicator of where things are and where they are likely to go.

Individual polls are useless before even one primary has been held. Completely useless.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Gothmog

(145,626 posts)
5. It is hard to get too excited by ony one poll
Fri Dec 27, 2019, 02:59 PM
Dec 2019

I like Nate's averages of polls.

In addition, state polls usually have smaller sample size and a higher margin of error. It also hard to poll states as large as Texas or California without a very large sample size from multiple regions

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

MineralMan

(146,333 posts)
7. There are a couple of national polling aggregates I watch more or less.
Fri Dec 27, 2019, 03:10 PM
Dec 2019

Mostly just trend lines, though. The numbers tend to change to some degree or other, but the trend lines tell the story pretty well.

I pay almost no attention to state polling at all. We'll know soon enough how those states vote. As you say, most state polls have too small a sample to really be very accurate.

The primary trend on a national basis is that Joe Biden is holding steady at the top of the pack. Because of the 15% rule, that's more important than anything else, really. He has been on top of the national aggregate all along, since even before he declared his candidacy. That cannot be ignored.

The Democratic primary race is clouded even further by having so many candidates currently in the race. Particularly in the second place position, there are two candidates splitting the preferences. They're also flirting with the 15% rule all the time. That makes Biden's 30% or so even more relevant.

I know you understand that, but it seems like most people do not. I've posted a few explanations of the 15% rule, but those posts get few views and not many comments. That, to me, indicates that people are not really paying attention to what matters in the primaries. So, I tend to discount fans of most candidates who focus on small changes in the polling as signs of something.

Fortunately, we're rapidly approaching actual primary time. While the first four events may serve to winnow out some of the chaff, it will be Super Tuesday that will probably narrow the race down to just three candidates. At that point, things will start to reflect reality, rather than a complicated fantasy league formula.

We know who the three candidates left standing will be already. But, the undecideds and the followers of poorly polling candidate will make all the difference once there are only three to consider. I can't wait.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Gothmog

(145,626 posts)
9. The 15% rule will play a major role in determining the nominee
Fri Dec 27, 2019, 04:12 PM
Dec 2019

In addition proportional voting allocation will keep anyone from getting a significsnt lead in the first two contests. I can see the top three or four candidates coming out of these two events essentially tied with no more than 5 to 7 delegates separating them.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Hav

(5,969 posts)
6. As I've tried to explain in the thread that I assume you reference with this post,
Fri Dec 27, 2019, 03:08 PM
Dec 2019

the headline was based on around 50 out of 120 Hispanics/Latinos (Repubs included) stating whether they'd be satisfied or unsatisfied should Biden win the primaries with the percentages reversed in Biden's favor in the previous month.

The polling organization doesn't even deserve the blame in that case. People in that field usually know what they can measure and are careful how they word their findings. I'm not a statistician but what those who are ignorant of statistics make out of these polls is an entirely different story. Sometimes this ignorance leads to irresponsible headlines in a desperate search for attention/clicks.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

MineralMan

(146,333 posts)
8. The sample was too small to have any meaning.
Fri Dec 27, 2019, 03:12 PM
Dec 2019

It is irrelevant to reality.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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