Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumBernie Sanders lambasts 'absolute failure' of Democratic party's strategy
To recall, Bernie made the 2017 comments below after his surrogates were invited to play a key role in writing the Democratic party's platform. Indeed, even after the 2018 elections when Democrats took the house, Bernie is still attacking the so-called "Democratic establishment" as part of his standard stump speech in 2020. You would think that Bernie should focus on what is going on in the White House, the Supreme Court or the Senate, but no, Bernie blames it on Democrats.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jun/11/bernie-sanders-lambasts-absolute-failure-of-democratic-partys-strategy
Speaking to a crowd of 4,000 activists, Sanders hailed the enormous progress in advancing the progressive agenda, saying the increasing House and Senate support for a $15 minimum wage and the opposition to the Trans-Pacific Partnership showed the success of the movement.
But the Vermont senator said that establishment Democrats were standing in the way of further progress.
The current model and the current strategy of the Democratic party is an absolute failure, Sanders said.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Midnight Writer
(21,795 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
NNadir
(33,544 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TomCADem
(17,390 posts)He could even take credit for this since his surrogates played a direct role in preparing the Democratic party platform, and he did run for the nomination back in 2016. But Bernie doesn't. Instead he continues to disparage the Democratic party.
If anything, Bernie is as part of the "Democratic Establishment" as anyone since he is running for the Democratic party nomination again. Yet, Bernie continues to demonize the Democratic party.
If Bernie were the nominee, and Republicans attacked with his own words, what could he say if they challenged him to identify the difference between his platform and the "Democratic Establishment," since his representatives helped draft the platform back in 2016, yet he has since continued to rip on the party to this day.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
msongs
(67,441 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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DownriverDem
(6,231 posts)I only support true members of the Democratic Party. Too bad some folks don't seem to understand this.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Skittles
(153,193 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Thekaspervote
(32,793 posts)I will be happy when the primary is over and he goes back to VT
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DURHAM D
(32,611 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
SunSeeker
(51,697 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NYMinute
(3,256 posts)Be a nice guy and a Democratic team player and concede the nomination or go scorched earth and make sure that neither he nor any Democrat can win the GE. I have seen this movie before and he will choose the latter.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DownriverDem
(6,231 posts)he will complain for the next 4 years.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Ford_Prefect
(7,919 posts)While Sanders' remarks seem rather strong I think those who were swept under the bus in 2016 and 2018 have reason to complain. We wouldn't be where we are now had previous Democratic Senate and Congress members not yielded so persistently to the logic of meeting the conservatives 1/2 way on so many issues.
The future we now face requires bolder action and deeper commitment to confronting issues than Neo-liberal policies allow for. Our centrist party leadership seems unwilling to offend wall street and other entrenched corporate interests. They risk alienating voters whom they should recognize as the core of the party. They mute and shame elected members who speak out for those whom the party has forgotten over the last 30 years.
The Democratic party must understand what side it is on. And that cannot be the side of Wall Street, or the fossil fuel industry, or the drug companies.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
betsuni
(25,618 posts)"meeting the conservatives 1/2 way on so many issues"
"Neo-liberal polices"
"Our centrist party leadership seems unwilling to offend Wall Street and other entrenched corporate interests"
"They risk alienating voters whom they should recognize as the core of the party"
"They mute and shame elected members who speak out for those whom the party has forgotten for the last 30 years"
Everything's Bill Clinton's fault! Neoliberal! You forgot "establishment" "elitist" and "status quo."
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Ford_Prefect
(7,919 posts)The late Bill Greider had much to say on the subject. Below is taken from "William Greider Knew What Ailed the Democratic Party
and how to fix it."
By John Nichols {The Nation, December 27, 2019}
Above all, Bill argued that for Democrats to seize the high ground, morally and electorally, they had to stop being a managerial party and reacquaint themselves with the message FDR delivered during an epically successful 1936 reelection run. That was the year when Roosevelt declared that:
We had to struggle with the old enemies of peacebusiness and financial monopoly, speculation, reckless banking, class antagonism, sectionalism, war profiteering.
They had begun to consider the Government of the United States as a mere appendage to their own affairs. We know now that Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob.
Never before in all our history have these forces been so united against one candidate as they stand today. They are unanimous in their hate for meand I welcome their hatred.
https://www.thenation.com/article/william-greider-economic-policy/
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
betsuni
(25,618 posts)FDR didn't have it. He had a majority and if Republicans didn't do anything about the Depression they would've been voted out.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Ford_Prefect
(7,919 posts)Republicans and some Democrats with wealthy friends worked tirelessly to blunt FDR's goals and his early legislative successes. This continued even through the war years.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
betsuni
(25,618 posts)Clinton had two years, Obama had a filibuster-proof 60 vote majority in the Senate for four months and ten days. The modern Republican Party has no relationship with that of the '30s.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
zentrum
(9,865 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
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betsuni
(25,618 posts)"The DNC is fighting against the Progressive candidates they are even funding corporate candidates agains the progressive candidates."
"During the 2018 elections the DNC would NOT help the Progressive candidates no matter how corrupt the DNC candidates are."
"Read the DNC charter and you're going to think you're reading the RNC charter."
WRONG.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Where do they get this hogwash from? Poor DNC needs money.. they have how much compared to #45IMPEACHED's "$300 Million"?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
betsuni
(25,618 posts)Annoying!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,655 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DownriverDem
(6,231 posts)on who can win enough states to beat trump. That's all that matters. Progressive goals will die with a trump second term. Look at who will be voting in November 2020. We are a Center/Left country. Ignoring who the voters are will be disastrous. It's call political strategy and ignoring that too means trump will win.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
muriel_volestrangler
(101,361 posts)There was a wave of new Democratic candidates elected in 2018; Sanders can easily point to that and say "people listened". Your thread title uses the wrong tense.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
betsuni
(25,618 posts)Listen to which one gets the loudest boos. Not Trump and Republicans. Democrats.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=390955
"People listened" -- to what? That the Democratic Party is "ideologically bankrupt" corrupt, failed, full of elites, etc.?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,655 posts)he didn't think we were going to have a "Blue Wave".. we did anyway with mostly moderate Dems.. saved the Midterms!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
samnsara
(17,635 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Pachamama
(16,887 posts)Those two are so supportive of the Democratic Party....
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
empedocles
(15,751 posts)[Great for traitortrump]
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
brutus smith
(685 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
efhmc
(14,732 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NNadir
(33,544 posts)What would be "winning" in the mind of Bernie supporters? Gloating over the re-election of Trump and claiming that it happened because people didn't kiss Bernie Sanders tired dogmatic ass?
Probably.
This mentality goes back to the days of Ralph Nader, where a minority feels like the majority has to kiss its ass no matter how insane people like Trump and Bush are.
I think that the hundreds of thousands of dead Iraqis might doubt that "Bush is the same as Gore."
By the way, don't paint Ms. Warren with this brush. She is a lot smarter, and a lot more flexible in the mind that Bernie Sanders. She is a Democrat, and as the purity trolls in the Sanders camp, are keen to remind us, at least were when she was ahead, she used to be a Republican. This means that she has changed her mind, something Bernie Sanders hasn't done in his adult life.
He's still running against Richard Nixon. The problem is that it is not 1968, and Nixon is dead. Trump isn't.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
brutus smith
(685 posts)Bernie nor Elizabeth are so called "pure" candidates. Don't dismiss the Elizabeth and Bernie voters as wanting a "pure" candidate.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Skya Rhen
(2,701 posts)of a Party that he constantly bashes.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
brutus smith
(685 posts)If I were to point out all of Joe's "faults", I'd be called a criminal.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)He uses our party to run for President that is it. The minute he is no longer a candidate for President he goes back to his Independent status and not doing anything in the Senate.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
efhmc
(14,732 posts)followers' behavior at the Texas Dem convention. I could not "say bad things about a fellow Democrat".
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)If they remove this one so be it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
efhmc
(14,732 posts)You can see how that worked out.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
efhmc
(14,732 posts)blast those non Dems for what they are.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
comradebillyboy
(10,175 posts)This man of meager accomplishment hasn't earned the right to dictate to the party he has refused to join.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TomCADem
(17,390 posts)...for not being sufficiently loyal to Democrats based on his statements that he would be willing to work with Republicans.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,554 posts)I strongly disagree with sanders on these positions. I note that sanders has not really accomplished anything in the Senate and so I have trouble taking sanders attacks seriously.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
brutus smith
(685 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
BeyondGeography
(39,379 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
bucolic_frolic
(43,286 posts)we might not have had a Trump presidency, and he could be dragging the party leftward today.
Or so I think, but I'm so focused on removing Trump that I don't follow the political nuances of competing Democratic strains.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden