Democratic Primaries

highplainsdem

(49,045 posts) Mon Dec 30, 2019, 10:14 PM Dec 2019

Mediaite columnist predicts narrow Biden victory, then nightmare scenario where Trump won't concede

Last edited Mon Dec 30, 2019, 10:48 PM - Edit history (1)

https://www.mediaite.com/opinion/a-prediction-for-how-the-2020-presidential-election-will-go-down/

And no, I don't agree with him. I think that if Biden wins the nomination, he'll win by a wider margin than that, and possibly even flip Texas.

OTOH, I expect Trump to scream that the election was rigged, if he loses, no matter how great a margin he loses by.

Editing to link to some articles and columns about this possible nightmare scenario, including one noting Pelosi's concern about this:

New York Times: Pelosi worries Trump won't give up power if he loses re-election by small margin

https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/04/politics/nancy-pelosi-trump-2020-election-impeachment/index.html

How Trump Could Lose the Election and Remain President

https://washingtonmonthly.com/magazine/april-may-june-2019/how-trump-could-lose-the-election-and-remain-president/

What if Trump won’t accept 2020 defeat?

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/06/21/trump-election-2020-1374589

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Mediaite columnist predicts narrow Biden victory, then nightmare scenario where Trump won't concede (Original Post) highplainsdem Dec 2019 OP

Doesnt matter if he concedes or not. Tiggeroshii Dec 2019 #1

Yup still_one Dec 2019 #2

To put a finer point on it jberryhill Dec 2019 #3

See the edited OP for links to possible scenarios. highplainsdem Dec 2019 #8

See the edited OP. Even Pelosi is concerned that Trump won't accept the election results, at highplainsdem Dec 2019 #9

She is not worried that he will remain president past his term jberryhill Dec 2019 #11

Read the NYT article the CNN article links to. She's worried he'll contest the election unless highplainsdem Dec 2019 #12

Which will be resolved prior to January 20 jberryhill Dec 2019 #13

you're being played stopdiggin Dec 2019 #18

Yep, they stories come up every four years -- idle talk. Steelrolled Dec 2019 #15

and yet the endless debate on "what if?" lettucebe Dec 2019 #19

Surely, trump and putin, have several scenario plans, to make things empedocles Dec 2019 #4

At noon on January 20, 2021, mr. tRump Polly Hennessey Dec 2019 #5

True. Using the military to provide government transportation to civilians LastLiberal in PalmSprings Dec 2019 #16

I agree with you PatSeg Dec 2019 #6

Elizabeth Warren will be the nominee at140 Dec 2019 #7

We'll see how great his predictions are. Cha Dec 2019 #10

Whoever wins vercetti2021 Dec 2019 #14

He would likely concede prior to Inauguration Day. David__77 Dec 2019 #17

Once Biden is sworn in Trump becomes a regular citizen/ DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2019 #20

Tiggeroshii

(11,088 posts)

1. Doesnt matter if he concedes or not.

Reply to highplainsdem (Original post)

Mon Dec 30, 2019, 10:16 PM

Dec 2019

Once the new president is sworn in, trump is no longer president.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

still_one

(92,454 posts)

2. Yup

Reply to Tiggeroshii (Reply #1)

Mon Dec 30, 2019, 10:17 PM

Dec 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)

3. To put a finer point on it

Reply to Tiggeroshii (Reply #1)

Mon Dec 30, 2019, 10:23 PM

Dec 2019

The president’s term expires at noon on January 20, regardless.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

highplainsdem

(49,045 posts)

8. See the edited OP for links to possible scenarios.

Reply to jberryhill (Reply #3)

Mon Dec 30, 2019, 10:49 PM

Dec 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

highplainsdem

(49,045 posts)

9. See the edited OP. Even Pelosi is concerned that Trump won't accept the election results, at

Reply to Tiggeroshii (Reply #1)

Mon Dec 30, 2019, 10:50 PM

Dec 2019

least if it's a narrow Democratic victory.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)

11. She is not worried that he will remain president past his term

Reply to highplainsdem (Reply #9)

Mon Dec 30, 2019, 10:56 PM

Dec 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

highplainsdem

(49,045 posts)

12. Read the NYT article the CNN article links to. She's worried he'll contest the election unless

Reply to jberryhill (Reply #11)

Mon Dec 30, 2019, 11:08 PM

Dec 2019

we win by a big margin.

And she isn't the only one worried about that possibility.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)

13. Which will be resolved prior to January 20

Reply to highplainsdem (Reply #12)

Mon Dec 30, 2019, 11:10 PM

Dec 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

stopdiggin

(11,387 posts)

18. you're being played

Reply to highplainsdem (Reply #12)

Tue Dec 31, 2019, 04:12 AM

Dec 2019

I don't want to disparage anyone, but ... Ain't gonna happen. And Democratic leaders are smart enough to use this as a little extra incentive for GOTV.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

Steelrolled

(2,022 posts)

15. Yep, they stories come up every four years -- idle talk.

Reply to Tiggeroshii (Reply #1)

Mon Dec 30, 2019, 11:13 PM

Dec 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

lettucebe

(2,337 posts)

19. and yet the endless debate on "what if?"

Reply to Tiggeroshii (Reply #1)

Tue Dec 31, 2019, 03:12 PM

Dec 2019

Really, why is this being discussed? It's silly. He'll be taken out one way or the other -- it's not like if he says, "No, I'm not leaving," we are stuck with him.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

empedocles

(15,751 posts)

4. Surely, trump and putin, have several scenario plans, to make things

Reply to highplainsdem (Original post)

Mon Dec 30, 2019, 10:28 PM

Dec 2019

at least messy - would not cavalierly rule trump and putin out.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

Polly Hennessey

(6,812 posts)

5. At noon on January 20, 2021, mr. tRump

Reply to highplainsdem (Original post)

Mon Dec 30, 2019, 10:34 PM

Dec 2019

will no longer be President. If he is lucky, they will let him fly out in the helicopter. If it was me, I would call a taxi for him and the rest of the hideous crew. The military will have a new commander-in-chief.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

LastLiberal in PalmSprings

(12,600 posts)

16. True. Using the military to provide government transportation to civilians

Reply to Polly Hennessey (Reply #5)

Tue Dec 31, 2019, 02:32 AM

Dec 2019

is at the discretion of the commander in chief. At least it should be. Until now that's a courtesy that's always been provided to an outgoing president, even a disgraced one like Richard Nixon.

Knowing Trump, however, he'd insist on having his personal chopper with his name emblazoned on the side land on the WH lawn and take him away to his personal jet, which will whisk him out of the country, far beyond the reach of the SDNY and New York Attorney General. Maybe they'll have the police put a parking boot on Trump's airplane.

The one thing the opinion writers don't consider is the reaction of the U.S. population to an attempt by Trump to hang onto the presidency. The Women's March in 2016 will pale in comparison to the response of the people when they realize what Trump and the Republicans are trying to do. Despite Trump and the Republicans best efforts we are still a democracy, which the voters proved in 2018. I predict a nationwide protest -- culminating in a march on Congress -- to have the real will of the voters enforced.