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MineralMan

(146,336 posts)
Wed Jan 1, 2020, 01:59 PM Jan 2020

Here's a link you absolutely should bookmark.

https://www.thegreenpapers.com/P20/D

Using it, you can examine the primary process in detail. By doing that, you'll understand how delegates are apportioned in every state. By clicking on the individual state links, you can learn exactly how many delegates each state sends to the Convention, how they are chosen, and the process used to do that.

Its similar in all states, but very different when it comes to the details.

As the primary season goes on, you'll be able to see details about delegate counts and much, much more. Links on the site lead to a long, long list of informational pages that can help make you an expert on Presidential primaries, or just to learn how things actually operate in each state.

Our Presidential election, both in the primaries and general election are a state issue, not a national issue.

thegreenpapers.com is not a pretty site. It doesn't have news stories on it. It's a place to get actual information to help you understand what is happening.

I've posted this link before, like in 2016. Some people have followed it and have learned information that helps them. Others just ignore it and go on watching the limited information available on places like MSNBC.

At the very least, you should look up your own state. Really.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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Here's a link you absolutely should bookmark. (Original Post) MineralMan Jan 2020 OP
Bookmarking thanks MM...K&R Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #1
The rules are the rules. Wellstone ruled Jan 2020 #2
Yes. But, it's important to understand what the rules actually are, MineralMan Jan 2020 #3
Found that to be in real time Wellstone ruled Jan 2020 #4
Whoa! That lime green is hard on the eyes! CrispyQ Jan 2020 #5
I don't think they particularly care about visitor counts. MineralMan Jan 2020 #6
Maybe I will email them. :) CrispyQ Jan 2020 #7
Maybe you can volunteer to fix the site... MineralMan Jan 2020 #8
It would be simple to do a global search and replace for that color in all the site files. CrispyQ Jan 2020 #9
You did notice the name of the site, right? MineralMan Jan 2020 #10
Of course I did. CrispyQ Jan 2020 #11
There's a story behind that. Before the internet, MineralMan Jan 2020 #12
Nice write up in the article. CrispyQ Jan 2020 #14
The site is not for casual web browsing folks. MineralMan Jan 2020 #15
Jesus, de la Fuente got ballot access again somewhere? Recursion Jan 2020 #13
Bump. Thegreenpapers.com is on my booksmarks bar. Hortensis Jan 2020 #16
Glad to hear it! MineralMan Jan 2020 #17
 

Demsrule86

(68,703 posts)
1. Bookmarking thanks MM...K&R
Wed Jan 1, 2020, 02:08 PM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
2. The rules are the rules.
Wed Jan 1, 2020, 02:19 PM
Jan 2020

Learned that first hand in Minnesota Caucus's. And later the Primary and Election Rules we were bound by. All in a effort to try to make the whole process inclusive. It works.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

MineralMan

(146,336 posts)
3. Yes. But, it's important to understand what the rules actually are,
Wed Jan 1, 2020, 02:30 PM
Jan 2020

and they vary a little from state to state.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
4. Found that to be in real time
Wed Jan 1, 2020, 02:48 PM
Jan 2020

living in Utah. Zero apportionment. Winner take all. And thus you see what that State looks like. A Patriarchal all White Dominate single Party State.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

CrispyQ

(36,533 posts)
5. Whoa! That lime green is hard on the eyes!
Wed Jan 1, 2020, 02:49 PM
Jan 2020

Seriously, it's 2020, not 1990. They could increase their readership if they replaced that atrocious green background color.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

MineralMan

(146,336 posts)
6. I don't think they particularly care about visitor counts.
Wed Jan 1, 2020, 02:56 PM
Jan 2020

If you want the information, you'll get it. If you don't care about details, you probably don't care if you have the information.

That site, though, is just about the best resource there is for delegate count information. It's a serious website. Sure, it has a funky design, but there's more information there than you think, if you follow links on the site. It's been around for a long time, and is an outstanding resource.

It is a wall of words, though, and the color scheme isn't the best choice. I don't care. I refer to that site constantly during election season.

There is no other site on the internet where I can see the details of every state's Democratic Party process. It's all there. It beats trying to run down the information by visiting individual states' Democratic Party website, for sure.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

CrispyQ

(36,533 posts)
7. Maybe I will email them. :)
Wed Jan 1, 2020, 03:38 PM
Jan 2020

Thanks for the link. I will bookmark it.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

MineralMan

(146,336 posts)
8. Maybe you can volunteer to fix the site...
Wed Jan 1, 2020, 03:41 PM
Jan 2020

Lots of work, I expect it would take.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

CrispyQ

(36,533 posts)
9. It would be simple to do a global search and replace for that color in all the site files.
Wed Jan 1, 2020, 03:48 PM
Jan 2020

Safer, too, than trusting a stranger with their tons and tons of data. I've thought of putting a similar GOTV site together, although my plan was nothing as extensive as what these folks have put together! It is an awesome amount of material.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

MineralMan

(146,336 posts)
10. You did notice the name of the site, right?
Wed Jan 1, 2020, 09:21 PM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

CrispyQ

(36,533 posts)
11. Of course I did.
Wed Jan 1, 2020, 11:21 PM
Jan 2020

But there are more tasteful ways to convey their theme. It just seems odd to me that they put all this effort into the data, but then don't care enough to make the experience pleasant for their visitors so they actually read the site.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

MineralMan

(146,336 posts)
12. There's a story behind that. Before the internet,
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 10:32 AM
Jan 2020

the two guys who operate greenpapers.com did the same thing, but on paper - green printer paper, as it turned out. So, when they moved to the internet, they adopted a similar green color for the background of the site.

Here's a link to a Boston University newspaper that tells the history of greenpapers.com. It's a site that is heavily used by journalists for information on delegate counts:

http://www.bu.edu/articles/2016/the-green-papers-political-website

There's also a short Wikipedia article about the site with some other links:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Green_Papers

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

CrispyQ

(36,533 posts)
14. Nice write up in the article.
Sat Jan 4, 2020, 01:45 PM
Jan 2020

Too bad they are so proud of their atrocious background. I'm sure that people who need this info use the site regardless of how unfriendly it is, but just think if the site owners used the site to engage and educate new voters as well. Young people, scratch that, MOST people are not going to bother to read anything at their site. Also, green printer paper wasn't lime green. I'll bet it would be easy to find a vintage printer paper background that is easy on the eyes. I'm amazed that they would put this kind of time and effort into this and then not give a shit if they drive their visitors away over background color. Oh well.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

MineralMan

(146,336 posts)
15. The site is not for casual web browsing folks.
Sat Jan 4, 2020, 01:52 PM
Jan 2020

Mostly, it's used by journalists who are looking for the most accurate information.

I don't think the guys who run it care all that much about how much traffic it gets. I suspect they truly don't give a shit what anyone thinks of the site design. New voters aren't going to use the site. Almost nobody who isn't a crazed election aficionado uses the site. It's run to provide information and that's it. If you want the information, it's there. People who don't care that much, which is most people, will go somewhere else and read something else.

I admire the effort those two guys put into this, not the site design. It's about as far from a commercial site as it can be.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
13. Jesus, de la Fuente got ballot access again somewhere?
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 10:42 AM
Jan 2020

That guy is a real piece of work

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
16. Bump. Thegreenpapers.com is on my booksmarks bar.
Sun Jan 5, 2020, 11:36 AM
Jan 2020

Probably since you recommended it in 2016. Thanks again and as always.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

MineralMan

(146,336 posts)
17. Glad to hear it!
Sun Jan 5, 2020, 11:42 AM
Jan 2020

I can't remember how I found that. Probably a google search for Democratic delegates or something like that.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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