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Joe BidenCongratulations to our presumptive Democratic nominee, Joe Biden!
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Thanks Bernie! (Original Post) George II Jan 2020 OP
Yes well Lieberman supports him. LakeArenal Jan 2020 #1
As much as Lieberman is disliked around the country, he's more disliked here in Connecticut. George II Jan 2020 #4
K&R betsuni Jan 2020 #2
But his record is so weak Hav Jan 2020 #3
I think I prefer the 2015 Bernie to the 2020 Bernie. :) eom Sloumeau Jan 2020 #5
Nice words! David__77 Jan 2020 #6
5 fucking years of campaigning from him. 5 YEARS. nt UniteFightBack Jan 2020 #7
This makes me smile Gothmog Jan 2020 #8
Bernie Sanders' Ugly Campaigning Is Bad for Democrats -- and Great for Trump TomCADem Jan 2020 #9
Thanks RiotWomenn! Cha Jan 2020 #10
K&R Tarheel_Dem Jan 2020 #11
Well said, Bernie! NT TidalWave46 Jan 2020 #12
___ betsuni Jan 2020 #13
Now, if only he'd been as honest about Hillary. Hortensis Jan 2020 #14
K&R nt NYMinute Jan 2020 #15
 

LakeArenal

(28,847 posts)
1. Yes well Lieberman supports him.
Sun Jan 5, 2020, 12:11 PM
Jan 2020

‘Nuff said.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
4. As much as Lieberman is disliked around the country, he's more disliked here in Connecticut.
Sun Jan 5, 2020, 12:40 PM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Hav

(5,969 posts)
3. But his record is so weak
Sun Jan 5, 2020, 12:39 PM
Jan 2020

and he brings so much baggage. Still, nice try Joe with devoting your life to public service and the well-being of working families.

I DO NOT APOLOGIZE! What? Yes, I'd like a free refill of my soda.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Sloumeau

(2,657 posts)
5. I think I prefer the 2015 Bernie to the 2020 Bernie. :) eom
Sun Jan 5, 2020, 01:09 PM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)
7. 5 fucking years of campaigning from him. 5 YEARS. nt
Sun Jan 5, 2020, 02:25 PM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

TomCADem

(17,390 posts)
9. Bernie Sanders' Ugly Campaigning Is Bad for Democrats -- and Great for Trump
Sun Jan 5, 2020, 03:21 PM
Jan 2020

Bernie does not want anyone to win but himself. If he can't win the primary, then he will do his best to sabotage whoever the Democratic nominee is. He did it before, and he did it again.

https://gen.medium.com/bernie-sanders-bad-attitude-is-bad-for-democrats-and-great-for-trump-bd0ac7376146

All of this will be different in 2020. Sanders will not have the benefit of running against Clinton, and he will have to compete with multiple rivals. Maybe Sanders really has popularized his message and platform enough to win on his own merits. Maybe his popularity will fizzle out as he becomes just another face in a crowded primary field. But then, there is the third, most unpleasant scenario: Maybe Sanders will decide that his success depends on manufacturing another villain.

This brings us — with much dread and weariness — to Beto. Over the 2018 midterms, O’Rourke became the internet’s dreamy indie-rock boyfriend. He had a skateboard! He was in a band with Cedric from At the Drive-In! O’Rourke also received record campaign donations, nearly defeated Ted Cruz in a deep-red state, and, after his defeat, took a meeting with Barack Obama. The buzz O’Rourke created and the places his support came from — media, social media, young people — was reminiscent of Obama. It was also reminiscent of Bernie Sanders. Which probably explains why, shortly after news of the Obama meeting broke, high-profile Sanders supporters began denouncing Beto O’Rourke in the press. Most infamously, David Sirota misleadingly framed a screenshot about O’Rourke’s campaign contributions (0.62 percent of which came from individual workers in the oil and gas industry) to imply he was in the pocket of Big Oil.

* * *

The problem is not the reporting on these politicians’ individual sins, some of which is correct, and some of which, like Sirota’s freakout, is wildly exaggerated. It’s not even the “boy who cried wolf” quality of hearing so many similar denunciations in a row, though it is increasingly tough to take any one hit piece seriously. It’s the implication that these errors are unilaterally disqualifying and should outweigh any good the candidates might do. There is no acknowledgment, after 2016, of just how dangerous that attitude might be or of what other forces might be arrayed against the candidates in question. The decision to tie Gillibrand to the fact that she represented tobacco companies as a young lawyer, for example, took place before she called for Al Franken’s resignation and her candidacy was nuked from orbit by powerful donors. Sanders’ core supporters went for Gillibrand as hard as possible, right out of the gate, not realizing that institutional sexism would eventually do their work for them. Again.

The lingering anger many Clinton supporters feel at Sanders isn’t because he ran against her or because he ran with the goal of pushing her to the left. Again, many of the ideas Sanders has nudged into the American mainstream are good ones. That mistrust stems from how reckless Sanders was with the anger he riled up. Long after he knew he’d lost, he continued to call Clinton “unqualified” or insist she was the head of a massive conspiracy. He knew it could do no good, and he should have seen that the dangerous toll of his negative messaging — the death threats to Democratic Party officials and reporters, the demolished coalitions and names dragged through the mud, the ever-increasing threat that if there was no Bernie, the nation itself would bust — was rising. Yet he appeared shocked that he could not undo the damage; even Bernie Sanders got booed for not supporting Bernie Sanders.”


If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(297,733 posts)
10. Thanks RiotWomenn!
Wed Jan 8, 2020, 03:07 AM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
14. Now, if only he'd been as honest about Hillary.
Wed Jan 8, 2020, 05:54 PM
Jan 2020

Trump would already be an embarrassment the Republicans were trying to put behind them.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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