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Congratulations to our presumptive Democratic nominee, Joe Biden!
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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Thanks Bernie! (Original Post)
George II
Jan 2020
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LakeArenal
(28,847 posts)1. Yes well Lieberman supports him.
Nuff said.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)4. As much as Lieberman is disliked around the country, he's more disliked here in Connecticut.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hav
(5,969 posts)3. But his record is so weak
and he brings so much baggage. Still, nice try Joe with devoting your life to public service and the well-being of working families.
I DO NOT APOLOGIZE! What? Yes, I'd like a free refill of my soda.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Sloumeau
(2,657 posts)5. I think I prefer the 2015 Bernie to the 2020 Bernie. :) eom
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
David__77
(23,526 posts)6. Nice words!
...
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
UniteFightBack
(8,231 posts)7. 5 fucking years of campaigning from him. 5 YEARS. nt
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,626 posts)8. This makes me smile
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TomCADem
(17,390 posts)9. Bernie Sanders' Ugly Campaigning Is Bad for Democrats -- and Great for Trump
Bernie does not want anyone to win but himself. If he can't win the primary, then he will do his best to sabotage whoever the Democratic nominee is. He did it before, and he did it again.
https://gen.medium.com/bernie-sanders-bad-attitude-is-bad-for-democrats-and-great-for-trump-bd0ac7376146
All of this will be different in 2020. Sanders will not have the benefit of running against Clinton, and he will have to compete with multiple rivals. Maybe Sanders really has popularized his message and platform enough to win on his own merits. Maybe his popularity will fizzle out as he becomes just another face in a crowded primary field. But then, there is the third, most unpleasant scenario: Maybe Sanders will decide that his success depends on manufacturing another villain.
This brings us with much dread and weariness to Beto. Over the 2018 midterms, ORourke became the internets dreamy indie-rock boyfriend. He had a skateboard! He was in a band with Cedric from At the Drive-In! ORourke also received record campaign donations, nearly defeated Ted Cruz in a deep-red state, and, after his defeat, took a meeting with Barack Obama. The buzz ORourke created and the places his support came from media, social media, young people was reminiscent of Obama. It was also reminiscent of Bernie Sanders. Which probably explains why, shortly after news of the Obama meeting broke, high-profile Sanders supporters began denouncing Beto ORourke in the press. Most infamously, David Sirota misleadingly framed a screenshot about ORourkes campaign contributions (0.62 percent of which came from individual workers in the oil and gas industry) to imply he was in the pocket of Big Oil.
* * *
The problem is not the reporting on these politicians individual sins, some of which is correct, and some of which, like Sirotas freakout, is wildly exaggerated. Its not even the boy who cried wolf quality of hearing so many similar denunciations in a row, though it is increasingly tough to take any one hit piece seriously. Its the implication that these errors are unilaterally disqualifying and should outweigh any good the candidates might do. There is no acknowledgment, after 2016, of just how dangerous that attitude might be or of what other forces might be arrayed against the candidates in question. The decision to tie Gillibrand to the fact that she represented tobacco companies as a young lawyer, for example, took place before she called for Al Frankens resignation and her candidacy was nuked from orbit by powerful donors. Sanders core supporters went for Gillibrand as hard as possible, right out of the gate, not realizing that institutional sexism would eventually do their work for them. Again.
The lingering anger many Clinton supporters feel at Sanders isnt because he ran against her or because he ran with the goal of pushing her to the left. Again, many of the ideas Sanders has nudged into the American mainstream are good ones. That mistrust stems from how reckless Sanders was with the anger he riled up. Long after he knew hed lost, he continued to call Clinton unqualified or insist she was the head of a massive conspiracy. He knew it could do no good, and he should have seen that the dangerous toll of his negative messaging the death threats to Democratic Party officials and reporters, the demolished coalitions and names dragged through the mud, the ever-increasing threat that if there was no Bernie, the nation itself would bust was rising. Yet he appeared shocked that he could not undo the damage; even Bernie Sanders got booed for not supporting Bernie Sanders.
This brings us with much dread and weariness to Beto. Over the 2018 midterms, ORourke became the internets dreamy indie-rock boyfriend. He had a skateboard! He was in a band with Cedric from At the Drive-In! ORourke also received record campaign donations, nearly defeated Ted Cruz in a deep-red state, and, after his defeat, took a meeting with Barack Obama. The buzz ORourke created and the places his support came from media, social media, young people was reminiscent of Obama. It was also reminiscent of Bernie Sanders. Which probably explains why, shortly after news of the Obama meeting broke, high-profile Sanders supporters began denouncing Beto ORourke in the press. Most infamously, David Sirota misleadingly framed a screenshot about ORourkes campaign contributions (0.62 percent of which came from individual workers in the oil and gas industry) to imply he was in the pocket of Big Oil.
* * *
The problem is not the reporting on these politicians individual sins, some of which is correct, and some of which, like Sirotas freakout, is wildly exaggerated. Its not even the boy who cried wolf quality of hearing so many similar denunciations in a row, though it is increasingly tough to take any one hit piece seriously. Its the implication that these errors are unilaterally disqualifying and should outweigh any good the candidates might do. There is no acknowledgment, after 2016, of just how dangerous that attitude might be or of what other forces might be arrayed against the candidates in question. The decision to tie Gillibrand to the fact that she represented tobacco companies as a young lawyer, for example, took place before she called for Al Frankens resignation and her candidacy was nuked from orbit by powerful donors. Sanders core supporters went for Gillibrand as hard as possible, right out of the gate, not realizing that institutional sexism would eventually do their work for them. Again.
The lingering anger many Clinton supporters feel at Sanders isnt because he ran against her or because he ran with the goal of pushing her to the left. Again, many of the ideas Sanders has nudged into the American mainstream are good ones. That mistrust stems from how reckless Sanders was with the anger he riled up. Long after he knew hed lost, he continued to call Clinton unqualified or insist she was the head of a massive conspiracy. He knew it could do no good, and he should have seen that the dangerous toll of his negative messaging the death threats to Democratic Party officials and reporters, the demolished coalitions and names dragged through the mud, the ever-increasing threat that if there was no Bernie, the nation itself would bust was rising. Yet he appeared shocked that he could not undo the damage; even Bernie Sanders got booed for not supporting Bernie Sanders.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,733 posts)10. Thanks RiotWomenn!
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Tarheel_Dem
(31,241 posts)11. K&R
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TidalWave46
(2,061 posts)12. Well said, Bernie! NT
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
betsuni
(25,659 posts)13. ___
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)14. Now, if only he'd been as honest about Hillary.
Trump would already be an embarrassment the Republicans were trying to put behind them.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NYMinute
(3,256 posts)15. K&R nt
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden