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Peacetrain

(22,877 posts)
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 11:30 AM Jan 2020

Okay AOC said she would be in a different party in another country

from Joe Biden. sigh. Well its okay. AOC's candidate choices and endorsements did not make the 2018 blue wave. So she actually is helping VP Biden. I have nothing particularly against AOC, other than she is a my way or the highway candidate. It works for her district (as long as it lasts?)... But that type of my way only attitude does not work on a national level..

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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Okay AOC said she would be in a different party in another country (Original Post) Peacetrain Jan 2020 OP
Agreed. I'm a 70 year old woman and I love her but she OregonBlue Jan 2020 #1
The media almost set her up to fail.. because Trump is just a bulldog of incompetence Peacetrain Jan 2020 #3
No one forced her to join the Democratic Party, there are others out there. George II Jan 2020 #2
The crazy thing is there is no point to the statement other than hurting herself with Democrats Peacetrain Jan 2020 #4
Agree! I am not a fan of how she supports women Thekaspervote Jan 2020 #8
That whole thing with Nancy Pelosi, was such a rookie mistake. Peacetrain Jan 2020 #12
Yep, Dems who attack other Dems get the side eye. brush Jan 2020 #15
Vanity? NurseJackie Jan 2020 #25
Well actually we have a de facto institutionalized Voltaire2 Jan 2020 #7
She can be an Independent. And she wasn't a waitress, she was a bartender. George II Jan 2020 #9
Nope.. that might work after an election not so close to a national election Peacetrain Jan 2020 #10
Will her constituents support her for re-election? left-of-center2012 Jan 2020 #5
I honestly do not know.. my guess is she will be re-elected unless she Peacetrain Jan 2020 #6
She does have a history or attacking other Dems. Not good. brush Jan 2020 #16
She has been conspicuously absent in her district, and her constituents have noticed.... George II Jan 2020 #11
Good! They'll probably have an easy go of it. NurseJackie Jan 2020 #28
Her candidate choice? In 2018 her Justice Democrats endorsed 79, only 7 won. George II Jan 2020 #13
No Kidding.. Peacetrain Jan 2020 #14
She's not wrong. When you have only two viable parties, those tents get pretty big. WhiskeyGrinder Jan 2020 #17
If she and Joe Biden should be in different parties, I know who I would like to remain a Democrat! George II Jan 2020 #22
I bet she thinks she's helping Bernie by saying this, the two have become quite the pair Baclava Jan 2020 #18
Yes it is, and the 14th primary this spring is going to be a doozy. George II Jan 2020 #21
North Carolina? Is that the one? n/t Baclava Jan 2020 #29
In another country there would probably be a parliamentary system The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2020 #19
If she determines to emigrate to another country, I won't try to discourage her. The Valley Below Jan 2020 #20
Anyone know how to start up a gofundme? George II Jan 2020 #30
I don't want her to sabotage her future this soon into her career. LanternWaste Jan 2020 #23
To quote Bill Maher Dem4Life1102 Jan 2020 #24
... Scurrilous Jan 2020 #32
I think she's done him a favor JustAnotherGen Jan 2020 #26
I think her celebrity politician status calguy Jan 2020 #27
Democrats aren't ideologues. That's her problem with the party. betsuni Jan 2020 #31
AOC may have helped Joe win the nomination Gothmog Jan 2020 #33
My way or the highway thinking is anti- representative democracy. Hortensis Jan 2020 #34
This has been her aim since 2017, to fracture the Democratic Party.... George II Jan 2020 #35
She acknowledged it's a big tent- I agree. David__77 Jan 2020 #36
Yes, our party has lived though having populists like Wallace run as Democrats before. The Valley Below Jan 2020 #37
 

OregonBlue

(7,754 posts)
1. Agreed. I'm a 70 year old woman and I love her but she
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 11:40 AM
Jan 2020

could not win nationally. I think Joe could.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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Peacetrain

(22,877 posts)
3. The media almost set her up to fail.. because Trump is just a bulldog of incompetence
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 11:47 AM
Jan 2020

and when the squad were elected and touted so much by the media before they even got a chance to get the lay of the land.. the right targeted them. She should take a cue from HRC and established herself..This one is just a stupid thing to say. All it does is give a lot of ammunition to the right. It does not hurt Biden in the least. She needs to learn which battles are worth the fight

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George II

(67,782 posts)
2. No one forced her to join the Democratic Party, there are others out there.
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 11:44 AM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Peacetrain

(22,877 posts)
4. The crazy thing is there is no point to the statement other than hurting herself with Democrats
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 11:49 AM
Jan 2020

I mean what was the point?

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Thekaspervote

(32,778 posts)
8. Agree! I am not a fan of how she supports women
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 11:58 AM
Jan 2020

Think Sherice Davids
Her comments about madam speaker
Refusing to give HRC credit for CHIP

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Peacetrain

(22,877 posts)
12. That whole thing with Nancy Pelosi, was such a rookie mistake.
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 12:03 PM
Jan 2020

from someone who has been reading too much of her own press..

If I were to vote in a presidential
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brush

(53,792 posts)
15. Yep, Dems who attack other Dems get the side eye.
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 02:16 PM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Voltaire2

(13,075 posts)
7. Well actually we have a de facto institutionalized
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 11:57 AM
Jan 2020

two party system. If you want to win an election you generally have to run on one of the two major party tickets.

In other countries that don’t use plurality elections ideological differences are sorted into separate parties.

I know it’s complicated , but if a former waitress can figure this out...

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
9. She can be an Independent. And she wasn't a waitress, she was a bartender.
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 11:59 AM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Peacetrain

(22,877 posts)
10. Nope.. that might work after an election not so close to a national election
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 12:01 PM
Jan 2020

The Republicans are going to come after her hammer and tongs for being a communist. Well guess what, that would have happened anyway, but saying she would not be part of the national party of a leader of the party vetted by the most believed and beloved President of my lifetime.. if it were in different country, so close to an election just sets her up as the other! It was stupid.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
5. Will her constituents support her for re-election?
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 11:53 AM
Jan 2020

U. S. House of Representatives Tip O'Neill said: "all politics is local".
And she’s been more of a ‘national entity’.

On election day, it's all about "What have you done for me?"

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

Peacetrain

(22,877 posts)
6. I honestly do not know.. my guess is she will be re-elected unless she
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 11:56 AM
Jan 2020

keeps doing this sh*t.. Democrats are going to start doing a universal WHOA with this.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

brush

(53,792 posts)
16. She does have a history or attacking other Dems. Not good.
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 02:19 PM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
11. She has been conspicuously absent in her district, and her constituents have noticed....
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 12:02 PM
Jan 2020

There are two declared primary opponents already, with one other who hasn't formally declared:

Badrun Khan - declared
Fernando Cabrera - declared
Jose Velazquez - considering

If I were to vote in a presidential
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NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
28. Good! They'll probably have an easy go of it.
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 07:39 PM
Jan 2020

When one's constituency is feeling abandoned or neglected, that can certainly be a powerful motivator to give the incumbent the boot and choose someone else. Let's hope for clean primaries that are clearly organized and scheduled.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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George II

(67,782 posts)
13. Her candidate choice? In 2018 her Justice Democrats endorsed 79, only 7 won.
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 12:40 PM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,359 posts)
17. She's not wrong. When you have only two viable parties, those tents get pretty big.
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 02:19 PM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
22. If she and Joe Biden should be in different parties, I know who I would like to remain a Democrat!
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 03:34 PM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Baclava

(12,047 posts)
18. I bet she thinks she's helping Bernie by saying this, the two have become quite the pair
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 02:22 PM
Jan 2020

Primary season is ratcheting up



If I were to vote in a presidential
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George II

(67,782 posts)
21. Yes it is, and the 14th primary this spring is going to be a doozy.
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 03:33 PM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Baclava

(12,047 posts)
29. North Carolina? Is that the one? n/t
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 08:26 PM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,746 posts)
19. In another country there would probably be a parliamentary system
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 03:24 PM
Jan 2020

in which multiple parties can field candidates and then form coalitions with other parties to support particular initiatives where they agree. It doesn't work that way here. If Democrats want to win elections they need to maintain their big tent, and AOC doesn't get to decide who belongs in the tent and who doesn't.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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The Valley Below

(1,701 posts)
20. If she determines to emigrate to another country, I won't try to discourage her.
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 03:29 PM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
30. Anyone know how to start up a gofundme?
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 08:27 PM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
23. I don't want her to sabotage her future this soon into her career.
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 03:42 PM
Jan 2020

I dig AOC, however she's young and lacks an essential experience in party unity. Though I get that criticizing the Democratic party is hip and trendy among the self-described 'revolutionaries' (putting that term on a t-shirt though, does not a revolutionary make), there are negative, long-term consequences to doing so.

I don't want her to sabotage a bright future this soon into her career, and I sincerely hope she realizes sooner rather than later that Democratic statesmen are not her enemies but in fact, her own allies.

In other words, they have her back, it's time she has theirs.

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Dem4Life1102

(3,974 posts)
24. To quote Bill Maher
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 05:20 PM
Jan 2020

Some need to learn the difference between an imperfect friend and a mortal enemy.

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JustAnotherGen

(31,828 posts)
26. I think she's done him a favor
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 05:34 PM
Jan 2020

If he takes it to the GE - she's established with this statement that she's against him. That will increase his appeal to moderate independents.

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calguy

(5,315 posts)
27. I think her celebrity politician status
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 06:03 PM
Jan 2020

Has gone completely to her head. She is wielding power that she does not have.

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betsuni

(25,544 posts)
31. Democrats aren't ideologues. That's her problem with the party.
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 08:49 PM
Jan 2020

Pseudo intellectuals, pseudo revolutions, pseudo ideology.

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Gothmog

(145,340 posts)
33. AOC may have helped Joe win the nomination
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 09:06 PM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
34. My way or the highway thinking is anti- representative democracy.
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 09:37 PM
Jan 2020

I'm thrilled that the Democratic Party is so broadly representative of the needs and aspirations of Americans.

Ocasio's not. Her statement that the Democrats' appeal is too broad, we're too diverse and too inclusive shocked me. It indicates a vast intolerance and contempt leading to rejection of the views of many millions of "not my kind" of Americans. She wants the vast majority of liberal and progressive Democrats (Like Biden and Obama! And me!) gone from her party. Go away! to the vast moderate-liberal majority who've created every progressive advance our nation has ever known. Leaving her kind.

However, it certainly explains how she could continue to support Sanders during and after he promised to illicitly overset the popular vote of all us undesirables in the last primary.

I'd already researched very early on and decided Sanders wasn't the right stuff for president, but about the time he started deceiving his followers about, ultimately, dozens of state party races being rigged against him, and promising to overset democracy itself, I knew he was the wrong stuff for me for any position.

And then of course he actually really did try to illicitly undo the collective decision, and with it the very right to decide of not just the 28 million Democrats who voted in the primary, but of all Democrats, who rightly believe it is their decision.

He's running again, and Ocasio's still with him.

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George II

(67,782 posts)
35. This has been her aim since 2017, to fracture the Democratic Party....
Wed Jan 8, 2020, 12:03 AM
Jan 2020

....from the Justice Democrats website, at a time she was on their Board:

https://www.justicedemocrats.com/about

Why “Democrats”? Why not just start a new party?

The two-party paradigm is the model for our country’s current political system. While we agree with efforts to reform our two-party system, the reality is that right now it is next to impossible for a third-party candidate to win a national election. Justice Democrats functions like a party within the Democratic Party -- running our own candidates in primary elections and holding those on top accountable to the grassroots.

We want our democracy to work for Americans again as soon as possible. The best way to do this is by working to change the Democratic Party from the inside out. Once Justice Democrats take power, we support electoral reform like ranked choice voting and mixed-member districts so third parties can have a voice in our democracy rather than continue to play a spoiler effect.


It should also be noted that when she filed her Statement of Candidacy with the FEC in 2017 she didn't use an address in the 14th District, OR an address even in New York State. She filed using the address of the office of Justice Democrats in Knoxville, Tennessee:

714 South Gay Street
Knoxville, TN 37902

https://docquery.fec.gov/cgi-bin/forms/H8NY15148/1172479/

If I were to vote in a presidential
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David__77

(23,423 posts)
36. She acknowledged it's a big tent- I agree.
Wed Jan 8, 2020, 12:29 AM
Jan 2020

Hypotheticals may be of limited value.

The Democratic Party being a big tent is nothing new. For instance, in 1972 it was the party of George McGovern and the party of George Wallace.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

The Valley Below

(1,701 posts)
37. Yes, our party has lived though having populists like Wallace run as Democrats before.
Wed Jan 8, 2020, 01:29 AM
Jan 2020

George Wallace helped put me off populism for good.

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