College tuition was the least of their worries.

pod crap. Mostly teenagers and kids.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consumption_of_Tide_Pods


https://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/2018/02/05/the-strange-story-of-how-tide-pod-eating-went-viral/#5a845fc49323

1. They have to get out and vote.
2. They are not the only Democratic subgroup.

and student loan forgiveness is a pipedream

and to end the corporate welfare and the endless ongoing wars that are draining us. And the man willing to do that is Bernie Sanders.

All spending has to come from Congress; a president can't spend a dime without statutory authorization. It can't happen unless the Dems gain control of both houses (not likely in 2020), and probably not even then.

If he wants to.

Since he and his ex-Stein-supporter surrogates seem to spend as much time bashing the so-called "establishment" Democrats as they do going after Trump, I doubt that he would be able to "bend them to his will" very easily. He seems to have forgotten that he will need the backing of a substantial majority of the Democrats in Congress if he wants to accomplish his more controversial goals.

Is that democrats in congress would hold support for Sander's programs out of spite.

with Bernie's MFA and FreeCollege and certain other positions (this is already obvious and one reason we have primary elections), and will be less responsive to his efforts to change their minds or offer compromises than if he and his surrogates hadn't been kicking them in the nuts for three years and implying that as members of the "establishment" they're all a bunch of running-dog stooges of the imperialist capitalist oligarchy or whatever the jargon du jour might be.

We have seen time and time again that Democratic presidents have to struggle to get the votes they need in congress to pass their most significant legislation.

Presidents who had the will to push for those things. "No we can't vote for what you need" will never get a person to vote.

I said that it wasn't easy for Democratic presidents to get the votes of Democratic members of congress.

I said this in response to your statement that: "A Democratic president can easily bend a Democratic Congress to do his will. If he wants to."

The 1993 Clinton/Gore budget and the ACA both just barely passed. But pushing for them was the right thing to do.

In every one of those case the Democratic President who proposed them had to make major concessions to get those programs through Congress.

get those programs through Congress. There are always concessions, that's a given. It all depends on what the president is willing to give up to get what he wants and where he is willing to start the negotiations with the other side at.

Thanks for admitting that.

A hostile Congress is no more likely to agree to a small change than a big one. We can look at Obama's tenure, where opposing him become an end in and of itself.

But if history is any indication, a Democratic President will also draw in Democrats to Congress. It would be weird for people to vote in the President and not vote down-ticket. And that means Sanders would have a Congress that he can bend to his will.


Also to paraphrase Warren, why should we elect a President based on what they won't do and will never fight for?

instead of belittling them and trashing their party for being insufficiently pure, are more likely to have the backing of those members of Congress if elected president.

can get a Dem controlled congress to go along with his wishes, if he wants to.

bazinga

We might have a difference of opinion on who has been bac stabbing whom.

Regardless, one of the ways Sanders has said he will sway recalcitrant legislators is to use his Bully pulpit.

It worked for TR. So I don't have a problem with Sanders doing it.

so it is not a matter of what the president is willing to do.
It is a matter of what Congress is able to do.
And based on Sanders experience in Congress, he hasn't been able to do much.

the problem is that Sanders doesn't caucus when its in the democrats interest instead of in Sanders interest.

And that is why Sanders winning the presidency would be a disaster for the US and the democratic party. it would literally be a waste of 4 years when we can little afford to waste more time

since he's so persuasive and right about everything, maybe he should stop wasting his time with the Dems and switch to caucusing with the other side. Maybe the force of his personality can tip those 4 reluctant GOP senators to finally rebel against Moscow Mitch's dictates and actually get something done.

Now that would be a boon for the country. But I'm not going to hold my breath: I'll settle for Bernie using his current bully pulpit to make more people know how important it is to take back the Senate and to support Democratic candidates, no matter who.

since she put herself and her party at risk on it more than Obama was at risk

Aprox 10% won't vote, and approx 20% will vote Trump.

amount among college Democrats/leaning Democrat.

I hope that is true for 100% of us as well. I'll vote for Biden gladly if he gets the no mination. But right now he's 6th on my list.

I'm sure people can see how small of a subgroup of the electorate this information was derived from. And from that very small subgroup, Sanders gets a small minority of them.

Also, shows much of the divide is generational.

Thanks for the thread Hassin Bin Sober.

told me recently they learned their lesson about Sanders and would vote more wisely this year.

They raised $526 hard cash for the man, I counted it and sent it in! Cash means more than learning a lesson I think. Good luck!

They always have been, and I see no signs that there is change coming in that.

... policies (and the economic boom that those policies fostered) crowing about how people, who watched that generation pull up the ladder behind them, not voting.

Ha ha, we got our free college! Sucks to be you, debt slave!

these people would go back to partying and doing something else in the states that follow. (Unless they are bad in math of course)

The young people , Latinos , working class voters who have never attended a caucus before and Independents …… Voters can register as a Democrat on Caucus Night ….The campaign has put in a huge effort to recruit so called "non-likely voters" to support Bernie , Monday Night February 3 …...They are trying to expand the electorate …...We will soon see whether their efforts will pay off or not ….. It will be fascinating ….

Can't wait to see how it turns out. I, for one, am very hopeful!

WE WILL WIN.

The headline is "among College VOTERS", but the story say "among College STUDENTS". Significant because College students make unreliable voters.

On both counts.