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JoeOtterbein

(7,702 posts)
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 07:29 PM Jan 2020

Obamaworld Hates Bernie--and Has No Idea How to Stop Him

Daily Beast

The most striking response to an ascendant Sanders is the lack of one.

Hanna Trudo

Updated Jan. 06, 2020 10:37AM ET / Published Jan. 06, 2020 4:44AM ET

Former President Barack Obama’s top lieutenants are eager to poke every conceivable hole in Bernie Sanders’ resurgent bid for the Democratic nomination. But ask about a coordinated effort to stop his ascending campaign and you’ll get crickets.

Less than a month before voting begins, Obama has declined to offer a preferred pick to take on President Trump in 2020, only occasionally waxing philosophical about the perils of moving too far left and reminding voters to be “rooted in reality” when exploring nominee options. But as Sanders gained new flashes of traction in recent weeks, the former president’s lack of official guidance to halt his momentum, and the scattering of his inner circle to rival campaigns, have hampered any meaningful NeverBernie movement.

Indeed, the most striking aspect of Obamaworld’s response to Sanders on the rise—flush with cash, an uptick in the polls, and unusually frequent hat tips about the merits of his character from his rivals—is the lack of a cohesive one.

Seasoned Obama operatives who spoke to The Daily Beast concede that Sanders is likely to be a major player through the end of the primary, with several agreeing there’s little to no consolidation around one anointed candidate to blunt his momentum. In fact, while pointing to his massive cash hauls and loyal base of supporters, the thinking among Democrats close to the former president is that they are hoping the Vermont Independent flames out on his own.

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Obamaworld Hates Bernie--and Has No Idea How to Stop Him (Original Post) JoeOtterbein Jan 2020 OP
What exactly is "Obamaworld"? George II Jan 2020 #1
Sounds like baloney to me, elleng Jan 2020 #4
I'm guessing it's comprised of all those corporatist imperialist oligarchs The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2020 #11
LOL. The Valley Below Jan 2020 #15
Congratulations on an excellent reply. guillaumeb Jan 2020 #53
👍 Joinfortmill Jan 2020 #59
And stop Bernie from what? pfeiffer Jan 2020 #29
I'm not sure either but I'm pretty sure it's populated by people who know how to win big in election BannonsLiver Jan 2020 #47
"Flames out on his own." Good luck with that! Anybody with that kind of money is in it. vsrazdem Jan 2020 #2
Sanders challenges Obama's legacy. Obama is satisfied with Obama. Prosper Jan 2020 #3
Obama is not a petty man at all. Your comment is totally without basis. hlthe2b Jan 2020 #10
Obama has class. Bernie Bros, not so much. The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2020 #13
I'm not that cynical to think that is is personal. CentralMass Jan 2020 #14
What a ridiculous "assessment" StarfishSaver Jan 2020 #26
Bernie wants improvement? pfeiffer Jan 2020 #31
Wow, that's really tacky PatSeg Jan 2020 #37
Looking at the world one emotional outburst at a time. TidalWave46 Jan 2020 #5
aha! yes!! pfeiffer Jan 2020 #32
I doubt if Clintonville is much more positive. crazytown Jan 2020 #6
So now the Bernie Bros snowybirdie Jan 2020 #7
Charming, eh? (This is not the way to win support* from longtime, stalwart and loyal Democrats.) NurseJackie Jan 2020 #12
Yep PatSeg Jan 2020 #41
That's been happening since 2012 BannonsLiver Jan 2020 #48
Bernie doesn't need to be stopped NYMinute Jan 2020 #8
Indeed!! And I for one am very greatful that sanders will not be the nominee!! Thekaspervote Jan 2020 #22
So "Sanders World" believes Obama is the problem? Really? hlthe2b Jan 2020 #9
As "sanders flames out on his own" he's willing to take anyone down to win. Why does anyone Thekaspervote Jan 2020 #25
... SidDithers Jan 2020 #16
WTF??? greatauntoftriplets Jan 2020 #17
Bazinga! George II Jan 2020 #27
Just think of how much Spanky must love crap like this. greatauntoftriplets Jan 2020 #49
"... as Sanders gained new flashes of traction in recent weeks..." OilemFirchen Jan 2020 #18
Or Bust?!? PubliusEnigma Jan 2020 #19
The voters will elect someone else. Again. It's not anyone Hortensis Jan 2020 #20
It's as if the lack of a "conspiracy" to "stop" Sanders is now evidence of something. The Valley Below Jan 2020 #28
Lol. Sanders' surrogates learned from their counterparts Hortensis Jan 2020 #44
Lack of conspiracy confirms ... um, something ... errr ... Thanks, Obama! betsuni Jan 2020 #52
I stand with Barack Obama. The Valley Below Jan 2020 #21
Me too!! He is a great statesman beloved around the world. Anyone...anyone who bashes him Thekaspervote Jan 2020 #23
+1 TexasTowelie Jan 2020 #36
same here.. Im true blue to him. I just wish someone one tell me what BS has accomplished.. samnsara Jan 2020 #57
"Obama has declined to offer a preferred pick ..." left-of-center2012 Jan 2020 #24
Poor Bernie. Everyone is SO mean to him. Squinch Jan 2020 #30
Way to go. sheshe2 Jan 2020 #33
A virtual standstill in national polling since May is "ascendant"? beastie boy Jan 2020 #34
only the garbage peddlers at politico have worse stuff than this nt msongs Jan 2020 #35
Its despicable what they are trying to do to Bernie. Joe941 Jan 2020 #38
The lack of a conspiracy to "stop him" makes you angry? The Valley Below Jan 2020 #43
Don't forget Health Insurance Industry World. They definitely don't want Bernie. jalan48 Jan 2020 #39
What piffle mcar Jan 2020 #40
It's an article about nothing. betsuni Jan 2020 #42
Does anyone seriously believe this ridiculous drivel? Hav Jan 2020 #45
why all the venom... myohmy2 Jan 2020 #46
Those of us who are undecided Happyhippychick Jan 2020 #50
The feeling is mutual as far as I can tell. BannonsLiver Jan 2020 #51
'hate' is a pretty strong word me thinks..... samnsara Jan 2020 #54
good let's go Joe ! stonecutter357 Jan 2020 #55
Oh, please Joinfortmill Jan 2020 #56
Stories like this... Mike Nelson Jan 2020 #58
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
1. What exactly is "Obamaworld"?
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 07:32 PM
Jan 2020
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elleng

(130,974 posts)
4. Sounds like baloney to me,
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 07:36 PM
Jan 2020

russkies watching this crap.

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The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,735 posts)
11. I'm guessing it's comprised of all those corporatist imperialist oligarchs
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 07:41 PM
Jan 2020

who worked for or supported a very popular Democratic ex-president who was instrumental in resurrecting a collapsed economy and making health insurance coverage available to millions of people who didn’t have it and couldn’t get it. That president and his supporters are now apparently detested by people who can’t (or won’t) distinguish an imperfect friend from a mortal enemy.

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guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
53. Congratulations on an excellent reply.
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 08:34 PM
Jan 2020

No matter what I think about the ACA, and its weaknesses, President Obama accomplished a lot, and he did so in the face of 8 years of GOP obstructionism.

And he did it with grace.

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pfeiffer

(280 posts)
29. And stop Bernie from what?
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 08:04 PM
Jan 2020
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BannonsLiver

(16,396 posts)
47. I'm not sure either but I'm pretty sure it's populated by people who know how to win big in election
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 08:29 PM
Jan 2020
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vsrazdem

(2,177 posts)
2. "Flames out on his own." Good luck with that! Anybody with that kind of money is in it.
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 07:33 PM
Jan 2020
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Prosper

(761 posts)
3. Sanders challenges Obama's legacy. Obama is satisfied with Obama.
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 07:35 PM
Jan 2020

Any improvement jeopardizes Obama’s 8 years.

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hlthe2b

(102,293 posts)
10. Obama is not a petty man at all. Your comment is totally without basis.
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 07:41 PM
Jan 2020
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The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,735 posts)
13. Obama has class. Bernie Bros, not so much.
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 07:42 PM
Jan 2020
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CentralMass

(15,265 posts)
14. I'm not that cynical to think that is is personal.
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 07:44 PM
Jan 2020
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StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
26. What a ridiculous "assessment"
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 08:03 PM
Jan 2020
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pfeiffer

(280 posts)
31. Bernie wants improvement?
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 08:06 PM
Jan 2020

No way...Bernie wants radical change. And Obama ain't gonna be bothered by that one bit.

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PatSeg

(47,501 posts)
37. Wow, that's really tacky
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 08:13 PM
Jan 2020

and maligns a very popular and effective president.

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TidalWave46

(2,061 posts)
5. Looking at the world one emotional outburst at a time.
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 07:37 PM
Jan 2020
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crazytown

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6. I doubt if Clintonville is much more positive.
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 07:38 PM
Jan 2020
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snowybirdie

(5,229 posts)
7. So now the Bernie Bros
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 07:38 PM
Jan 2020

are trying to demonize President Obama. Disgusting!

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NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
12. Charming, eh? (This is not the way to win support* from longtime, stalwart and loyal Democrats.)
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 07:41 PM
Jan 2020

* or votes.

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PatSeg

(47,501 posts)
41. Yep
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 08:18 PM
Jan 2020

That should really attract a lot of Democratic voters. What on earth is the campaign's strategy?

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BannonsLiver

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48. That's been happening since 2012
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 08:29 PM
Jan 2020
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NYMinute

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8. Bernie doesn't need to be stopped
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 07:38 PM
Jan 2020

He doesn't have the votes to win anything nationwide. There will be fewer caucuses this year and the primaries are stacked up front. He is done. He should be writing his concession speech.

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Thekaspervote

(32,778 posts)
22. Indeed!! And I for one am very greatful that sanders will not be the nominee!!
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 07:57 PM
Jan 2020
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hlthe2b

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9. So "Sanders World" believes Obama is the problem? Really?
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 07:39 PM
Jan 2020

I'm not negatively predisposed towards Bernie, but when his supporters start attacking Obama and his supporters--which, I THOUGHT was all of DU-- at one time at least, I may need to rethink.

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Thekaspervote

(32,778 posts)
25. As "sanders flames out on his own" he's willing to take anyone down to win. Why does anyone
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 08:02 PM
Jan 2020

Support him??!!

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SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
16. ...
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 07:46 PM
Jan 2020


Reminiscent of the driven from HA Goodman four years ago.

Sid
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greatauntoftriplets

(175,742 posts)
17. WTF???
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 07:50 PM
Jan 2020


So you'll smear the best Democratic president of recent years to build up Sanders. I want to emigrate to Obamaworld.
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greatauntoftriplets

(175,742 posts)
49. Just think of how much Spanky must love crap like this.
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 08:29 PM
Jan 2020

Divide and conquer.

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OilemFirchen

(7,143 posts)
18. "... as Sanders gained new flashes of traction in recent weeks..."
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 07:52 PM
Jan 2020

How the fuck did I miss that?

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Hortensis

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20. The voters will elect someone else. Again. It's not anyone
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 07:55 PM
Jan 2020

else's job to "stop" Sanders. If he has illicit support again, it is of course the duty of our government intelligence services and the media to stop it. Yeah. Once again, it's on the shoulders of the electorate. They rejected Sanders last time, though, and he's doing much more poorly this time.

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The Valley Below

(1,701 posts)
28. It's as if the lack of a "conspiracy" to "stop" Sanders is now evidence of something.
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 08:04 PM
Jan 2020

Strange in the extreme.

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Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
44. Lol. Sanders' surrogates learned from their counterparts
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 08:22 PM
Jan 2020

on the right. Realist is merely putty to be twisted.

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betsuni

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52. Lack of conspiracy confirms ... um, something ... errr ... Thanks, Obama!
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 08:33 PM
Jan 2020
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The Valley Below

(1,701 posts)
21. I stand with Barack Obama.
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 07:56 PM
Jan 2020

A great liberal Democratic president.

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Thekaspervote

(32,778 posts)
23. Me too!! He is a great statesman beloved around the world. Anyone...anyone who bashes him
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 07:59 PM
Jan 2020

For any reason is completely off my list

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samnsara

(17,622 posts)
57. same here.. Im true blue to him. I just wish someone one tell me what BS has accomplished..
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 08:36 PM
Jan 2020

..ever...

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left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
24. "Obama has declined to offer a preferred pick ..."
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 08:01 PM
Jan 2020

What's wrong with that?
He'll support the eventual nominee.

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Squinch

(50,955 posts)
30. Poor Bernie. Everyone is SO mean to him.
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 08:06 PM
Jan 2020


Constant whining is not a good strategy.
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sheshe2

(83,791 posts)
33. Way to go.
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 08:07 PM
Jan 2020

Alienate Obama AND Hill supporters.

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beastie boy

(9,375 posts)
34. A virtual standstill in national polling since May is "ascendant"?
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 08:08 PM
Jan 2020

This is probably the most news-unworthy political story of the 2020 campaign. Why would anyone have any response to this load of nothing?

But hey, it's Obama's fault!

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msongs

(67,420 posts)
35. only the garbage peddlers at politico have worse stuff than this nt
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 08:09 PM
Jan 2020
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Joe941

(2,848 posts)
38. Its despicable what they are trying to do to Bernie.
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 08:15 PM
Jan 2020

This makes me so mad!

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The Valley Below

(1,701 posts)
43. The lack of a conspiracy to "stop him" makes you angry?
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 08:21 PM
Jan 2020
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jalan48

(13,870 posts)
39. Don't forget Health Insurance Industry World. They definitely don't want Bernie.
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 08:17 PM
Jan 2020
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betsuni

(25,538 posts)
42. It's an article about nothing.
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 08:20 PM
Jan 2020
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Hav

(5,969 posts)
45. Does anyone seriously believe this ridiculous drivel?
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 08:26 PM
Jan 2020

I don't know the author, it could be irony that we all miss. Are we getting punked?

Let my try to glue come pieces together:

Obamaworld is acting as a monolith and as a whole it hates Bernie. Despite everyone in that circle having the same beliefs, they can't work together to get anything done to stop Bernie.
The lack of any evidence for any concerted effort by so called Obamaworld leads us to the following "facts":
1. They don't know how to stop him (We all know that rule from Math: B follows from A. Therefore, B follows from the non-existence of A.)
2. The "Never Bernie movement is hampered by a lack of guidance by Obama" to coordinate Obamaworld's fight against Bernie
3. The most striking sign in response to Bernie's "surge" is the lack of a response by Obamaworld to stop Bernie

Conclusion: Obamaworld hates Bernie and cannot stop him.

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myohmy2

(3,163 posts)
46. why all the venom...
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 08:28 PM
Jan 2020

...towards Bernie?...he's a good, honest man...

" Former President Barack Obama’s top lieutenants are eager to poke every conceivable hole in Bernie Sanders’ resurgent bid for the Democratic nomination. "


...you would think it was trump running for the Democratic nomination...


"...poke every conceivable hole..."

"...resurgent bid..."

"...the former president once said that if it looked like the senator were close to winning the nomination, he would speak up in some capacity to help stop that from happening. "


...no wonder Bernie has to defend himself...

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Happyhippychick

(8,379 posts)
50. Those of us who are undecided
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 08:29 PM
Jan 2020

Are very turned off by this crap

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BannonsLiver

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51. The feeling is mutual as far as I can tell.
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 08:30 PM
Jan 2020
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samnsara

(17,622 posts)
54. 'hate' is a pretty strong word me thinks.....
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 08:35 PM
Jan 2020
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Mike Nelson

(9,959 posts)
58. Stories like this...
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 08:36 PM
Jan 2020

... do not help Bernie, in my opinion. He's got the Bernie voters. To win the Democratic Primary, he needs Obama/Hillary voters.

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