I love Warren but damn, McKinnon is awesome!

Thanks, Dad.

He was cool.

My Dad was a feminist too. He called himself one, though he was a guy’s guy.

We were lucky. The rest of the cultural inoculation, I guess you were lucky.

He wanted me to attend law school 10+ years before I did!!!

We just need to evolve and appreciate how lucky we are that she’s running.

Not condescension or lecturing.

to support a candidate who probably will not appeal to enough voters in general election to win because of the mess she’s made with healthcare, her criticism and misrepresentation of Obama’s trade agreement efforts that may have cost Clinton votes, endorsing legislation that would remove the device tax which is an important funding source for the ACA establishing the principle that those who profit from healthcare should help pay for it, promising things she can’t possibly fund, and more.

trump, or whatever GOPer, would win in a landslide. I’d support Klobuchar if she gained traction or Harris if she were still running.

And, yes, I will support Warren in General Election and not criticize her like she did Obama, and Clinton by association, right up until the 2016 election.

I agree on what you were saying about Elizabeth Warren's voice too...you were very accurate. But I can handle her voice over Duval Patrick's voice anyday and his is so bad that I can't listen to anything he has to say because its vibration actually irritates me. Yesterday morning he was a guest on a Sunday Show and my daughter walked in the room and heard his voice right after the interviewer announced her guest and who he was and running for President and my daughter winced and said she couldn't listen to it.

She said she would rather listen to Trump's voice and she hates his voice and him.

her voice noticeably deepened and softened over the course of her campaign. Liz would really benefit from the same.

As Harris was a wonderful candidate. Thankful she still serves.

I've seen her at private receptions (the kind she doesn't want to acknowledge today), lunches and public events. No idea why ignoring it would be necessary.

I would think it would be difficult to have ignore the voice of your chosen candidate.

That awful whiny Donnie voice sure doesn’t put off his worshippers, does it? His voice is like fingernails on a chalkboard to me.

Ugh. Disgusting reptile.

Apology to reptiles

I’m just aware that there is a baked in cultural dismissiveness and I’m becoming aware that it is even affecting me. I want to hear and understand everything that she says!

Just tonight I was looking forward to hearing her interview with Rachel Maddow so I came home early. I became aware that I was checking texts while she was speaking, which I would not usually do with someone I wanted to hear.

I think it is sexism. It surrounds us. im Working to become aware.

Good on ya. Self reflection for betterment of self is honorable, and sadly, seldom applied.

Some here are perfect already, I guess, but not I.

voice and speech is outstanding, like her campaign and background. Women have run for president prior to Hillary Clinton of course. Democratic candidates include Geraldine Ferraro (1988), Shirley Chisholm (1972) and Carol Moseley Braun (2004). As well, many outstanding women have also run and served in Congress and other significant positions in government for decades. And more on the way.

~ There were snide comments here when Warren first announced, Re her 'school marm' and professor manner and eyeglasses. Got that right, trivial non issues. I think we can focus on the candidates' character, record and stance on issues, the important things.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_female_United_States_presidential_and_vice-presidential_candidates

Reminded him of mommy.

Comments about Hillary’s voice. It was sexism then,very much so, imho.

I can’t even think about where we could have been as a country right now.

Carl Bernstein..

I love the signature line of someone on another forum:

They told me if I voted for Hillary Clinton the president would be emotional, impulsive, and unpredictable. They were right. I voted for Hillary Clinton and got a president that is emotional, impulsive, and unpredictable.

I support her and am extremely grateful for her stepping up. I know she will be an outstanding President.

I want her to win with my whole heart. I know she is serving for the people.

which isn't surprising at all. It probably wouldn't be a bad idea for all candidates to work with a voice coach just so they know how to avoid overtaxing their voices just when they need them the most.

but somehow it has never really bothered me. I've been listening to Warren from before she entered politics, so I'm used to her voice and speaking style. It is more a teacher's voice and I can picture her standing before her classroom.

I know it's just his way but it puts me off.

vocally, to get power and volume, don’t support the vocals with breathing from lower down, using the diaphragm, so their voice gets strained, taken off the vocal chords. You will see neck tightening and the voice sounds higher, thinned out. Same principle applies to singing, even with a mic. Has nothing to do with gender.

Beto has to work too hard when he’s projecting his voice. One can hear and see the working. Neither have any inherent vocal problem. Warren’s voice is strong, vibrant. Both have an energetic, animated delivery style.

Most listeners don’t notice, loving the sound for the person who makes it.

Exactly what I was going to say. It's not her tonality but at times the lack of diaphragmatic support that seems to cause some quavering.

As someone with a bit of hearing difficulty, I find her easier to understand and appreciate her clear enunciation.

Few are gifted with magnificent voices, fewer still learn to really use them, and fewer than that can handle the rigors of a campaign. You can (and perhaps should) hate the bastard with all your heart, but Reagan was the gold standard, lots of training and coaching, Al Gore is an example of someone who got rapidly better with work.

With the emphasis on scripted.

and that would be because she's obviously speaking almost constantly. The slight quaver is almost certainly a result of a lack of support from the diaphragm and lower abdomen, something every singer has to overcome. Her voice is tired because she isn't supporting it; she needs to get to a voice coach, stat. At least she isn't trying to make it artificially low, which causes that annoying vocal fry. I think her basic speaking voice when it's not tired is just fine, though.

I man Yang's my avatar, but I'd be very happy working for Senator Warren in the general. I have 22+ years in Toastmasters and 40 playing in bands and running PAs; she's got a *long* road ahead if she wins the primary.

She has an earnest folksy style that draws people in while being obviously smart at the same time.

And she conveys energy and enthusiasm.

Once I listen, I hear that too.

Warren is your candidate, and you have to ignore her voice?

Fascinating. On so many levels.

I cannot stand Craig Melvin’s (NBC) voice for some reason. I really hate listening to Bernie’s voice. The only women’s voices that bother me are those that use that cutesy “little girl” voice.

How did you feel about Hillary’s voice?

Warren could benefit from coaching I think but I'll take her the way she is.

It's not fair, and some here may not get it, but this is absolutely a thing, whether the indoctrination took for any of us personally or not.

Warren was my husband's favorite (until her big misstep with healthcare), but he surprised me by complaining about her voice. Huh?, I said in surprise. Whaddaya mean?

I think she sounds charming, bright and positive.

Elizabeth's candidacy and I love what she is saying.

But I would absolutely love it if she would get a voice coach.

Hillary did and I believe that it made her a more effective candidate.

I am not sure why people seem to focus more on women's voices than they do on men's.

But they do.

Wish I’d said it that way at the start but oh well.

Thanks!

Liz’s hasn’t much. I’m guessing she has never smoked. I think her voice is fine but in the general election the Rs will talk about it as they would for any female candidate.

how to expand the reach of her message.

First step is to identify the obstacles.

The poster BlueMTexpat said it really well:

“I am 100 percent behind
Elizabeth's candidacy and I love what she is saying.

But I would absolutely love it if she would get a voice coach.

Hillary did and I believe that it made her a more effective candidate.”

I’m adding that to my OP.

Are we evaluating all the voices of male candidates? Biden? Bernie? I mean seriously?

I understand what an issue sexism is but fuck this is disturbing

or the bias?

I see it in my own life now that I think about it. I’m not heard, my own messages dismissed, and it’s very possible my voice is part of the reason why.

I’ve got to get to work. Will check back.

We are just being aware of it. Republicans are horrible and they will make fun of her on that and other grounds.

I do think men will be judged on their voices too, but am aware that they will "pass" more easily as we have all been sort of brainwashed to think of deeper voices as more authoritative. I tend to dislike their voices if I dislike them, that is, Dotard's is annoying and Dubya's was. I used to really hate listening to Poppy Bush.

I'm not an expert though, so I can't say if it's a legitimate liability or not. I do agree on the voice coach, if she doesn't have one. Every candidate who can should have one, if only because you're giving speeches around the country constantly, and will have to keep that up if you win.