Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumTrump Wants to Drag Us Into War With Iran. Bernie Is the Candidate to Stop Him.
Among the Democratic Party presidential contenders, only Bernie Sanders can be counted on to bring moral and logical clarity to the question of war.
For one thing, Sanders has the credentials. In the sixties and seventies he opposed the war in Vietnam, in the eighties he opposed US intervention in Central America, in the nineties he voted against the Gulf War, in the aughts he opposed the war in Iraq, and he has recently opposed US intervention in Venezuela, voiced support for Palestinian rights, led an initiative to stop the US-backed Saudi war in Yemen, and is now introducing legislation to stop war in Iran. Even when hes made mistakes for example, he voted to authorize the invasion of Afghanistan (the sole dissenter being California representative Barbara Lee) he has been able to admit he was wrong and reassert his commitment to an antiwar foreign policy.
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Americans are plenty exhausted by wars abroad and austerity at home, but were not in the clear yet. The period were about to enter is a dangerous one. If we want to avoid lapsing into another red, white, and blue fever dream, we need a high-profile leader on the national stage speaking truths that went unsaid by mainstream politicians in the early 2000s.
We need someone who will say: these wars are not about safety, and theyre not about freedom, and theyre not about a better life for you. Youre being played. Dont fall for it. That person is Bernie Sanders.
https://www.jacobinmag.com/2020/01/bernie-sanders-trump-soleimani-iran-war
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Bev54
(10,058 posts)I will take Biden's experience in foreign affairs and his diplomacy over Bernie Sanders, not interested.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Thekaspervote
(32,779 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sandensea
(21,642 posts)The fat bastard should be impeached, removed, jailed, and re-educated for this alone.
To start a war for self-serving purposes (re-election, and money). Nothing more evil than that.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TidalWave46
(2,061 posts)Dark money third party source who employees campaign surrogates and lies about democrats and the party.
DU shouldn't be a place for anti-Democratic Party sources.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MineralMan
(146,318 posts)Right now, Bernie Sanders can't do anything to block Trump.
Nope. Not a damned thing.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hav
(5,969 posts)This is more of an attack against the other contenders than even an attempt to argue what the title suggests.
This article is also written by the person who accused Pete of only serving for the sake of his resume and that his service in Afghanistan was only a photo-op.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
lapucelle
(18,282 posts)on assurances that he made to labor during his takeover of a storied British socialist magazine, The Tribune.
In his bid to take over the historic British left-wing magazine, The Tribune, Jacobin publisher Bhaskar Sunkara is being accused of reneging on wage deal by employees of the paper, who kept the publication alive during struggling times. Tribune was once the home of such greats as George Orwell and has since become the leading publication associated with the influential Momentum faction within the Labor Party.
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Workers say that Sunkara promised that if workers took a settlement of only 70% of the back wages that they were owed that he would give them future work after taking over the publication. However, Sunkara in a statement to Payday confirmed that he would not bring the staffers back.
The workers in a series of open letters have accused Sunkara of lying to them.
In the capitalist world someone who buys an ailing company and dumps its committed workers is known as an asset-stripper or robber baron, but at least they dont claim to be socialists, said former Tribune employee Ian Hernon.
http://paydayreport.com/jacobin-publisher-accused-of-reneging-on-wage-deal-in-takeover-of-british-magazine-the-tribune/
Neither capitalist Bhaskar Sunkara nor his publication Jacobin support the Democratic Party, and both often work against our interests. It is not a trustworthy source.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)"Youre being played. Dont fall for it..."
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,374 posts)How will giving trump a second term help?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
The Valley Below
(1,701 posts)from losing.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,374 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
The Valley Below
(1,701 posts)and challengers in down-ballot races--through no fault of their own--with Sanders as our standard-bearer. It would be a wipeout in my estimation.
Fortunately I don't think that's going to happen.
I think 2020 will prove to be a great year for Democrats with Biden leading the party and proving tremendous coat-tails.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,374 posts)Texas will be a battleground state if Joe Biden is the nominee. If sanders is the nominee, we will lose the two congressional seats that we flipped in 2018 and the other candidates trying to flip seats can forget about it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,372 posts)Trump is intimidated by Bernie.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Gothmog
(145,374 posts)No one is intimidated by sanders. Amused maybe but not intimidated.
There is a ton of great oppo on sanders. None of the Democratic candidates are using this oppo because no one really thinks that sanders has a chance of being the nominee. There are tons of video of sanders praising Fidel Castro, the old Soviet Union, Central American socialists and other enemies of the United States that would make great attack ads. trump has the money to run these ads on a constant loop so that sanders would be lucky not to repeat the results of the 1972 election.
In addition, Russia targeted African American voters last cycle to depress or suppress their vote.
Link to tweet
Without strong African American voter turnout, no Democrat stands a chance. sanders has made Russia's efforts easy in that all Russia has to do is play videos of sanders delegates booing John Lewis, Elijah Cummings, Stacy Abrams and others. There is a ton of anger out there about this stunt by sanders delegates at the National Convention.
Do you really think that sanders can win more than 2 or 3 states in face of these kinds of attacks? Again, no one is intimidated by sanders at all,
I am glad that we will not have to find out. I will support the nominee of the party but I really doubt that sanders will be the nominee. No Democrat has wasted their time going negative on sanders because no one thinks that sanders has a chance of being the nominee.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,372 posts)Bernie has only advocated democracy and the will of each nation to determine their own leaders and destinies whether our meg-conglomerate corporations agree with them or not.
We should not be supporting coups overthrowing the will of other nations' peoples.
I believe Bernie can win by a landslide and that's precisely what our corporate conglomerates and U.S. oligarchs are afraid of.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Gothmog
(145,374 posts)The oppo that trump has available would destroy sanders in a real general election contest.
Again, none of the other Democrats see any need to use this oppo on sanders because none of these candidates are worried about sanders being the nominee. Clinton had a great oppo file on sanders that Russia hacked. Clinton never used that oppo because sanders was mathematically eliminated after the Super Tuesday contests
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,372 posts)insofar as the Democratic Primaries are concerned and usually 1st or second in the polls.
Follow the money and you will see that leads to the people in this case.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/02/politics/bernie-sanders-fourth-quarter-fundraising/index.html
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Gothmog
(145,374 posts)Then you do understand that trump will be out spending sanders by a huge margin. trump may be able to outspend sanders by three or four times the amount that sanders could raise
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,372 posts)it's the number of donors and how the money is raised.
Bernie would kick Trump's ass, I have no doubt of this.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Gothmog
(145,374 posts)I will support the nominee of the party but I really doubt that sanders will be the nominee. There are far too many real democrats who have good memories and who will not forgive or forget.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,372 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,761 posts)and he has little chance of getting the nomination.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,372 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,761 posts)Money is used to buy advertising and pay campaign staff. It doesn't matter where it comes from with respect to how many ads can be purchased or campaign staff can be hired.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,372 posts)and he's leading the way for any candidate short of being a billionaire, it's a new paradigm.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,761 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,372 posts)they weren't going to vote for, at least he the average working American; living paycheck to paycheck.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,761 posts)isn't a whole lot of skin in the game.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,372 posts)When you have Americans deciding whether to scrimp on prescription drugs or food, etc. that's a lot.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NYMinute
(3,256 posts)Sounds like Aesop's fable ... "The jackal was afraid of the squirrel etc. etc."
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,374 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,374 posts)Link to tweet
Biden is the only person who can deal with the mess created by trump https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/01/07/joe-biden-speaks-iran-bolsters-his-electability-argument/
That is the considerable advantage that former vice president Joe Biden has in the Democratic primary race against contenders with little foreign policy experience or with irresponsible, extreme views that put off a lot of voters. In New York on Tuesday, Biden delivered remarks seeking to capitalize on that advantage.
Make no mistake: this outcome of strategic setbacks, heightened threats, chants of Death to America once more echoing across the Middle East, Iran and its allies vowing revenge this was avoidable, he said. The seeds of these dangers were planted by Donald Trump himself on May 8, 2018 the day he tore up the Iran nuclear deal, against the advice of his own top national security advisers. Biden argued that the trouble started the day [Trump] turned his back on our closest European allies and decided it was more important to him to destroy any progress made by the Obama-Biden administration than build on it to create a better, safer world.
Bidens argument is that careful diplomacy and measured use of force had kept Iran at bay. Now, however, a president who says he wants to end endless war in the Middle East is bringing us dangerously close to starting a new one, Biden warned. A president, who says he wants out of the region, sends more than 18,000 additional troops to deal with a crisis of his own making. And an administration that claims its actions have made Americans safer in the same breath urges them to leave Iraq because of increased danger.....
If Bidens aim was to sound like the adult in the room, the one with every ally on speed dial, he largely succeeded. He will benefit in making a clear distinction between himself and candidates who promise to bug out of the Middle East immediately or sound as though they are making excuses for an evil regime. Biden understands that average Americans do not want a war with Iran, but neither do they want to feel as though the terrorists have free reign. Just as in health care as Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) recently learned from her fumble on Medicare-for-all Democratic candidates who get themselves too far to the left on matters of war and peace risk viability in the general election. Biden who boasts the biggest lead over Trump in head-to-head matchups, according to the latest Morning Consult poll seems to understand this. Whether the others do will determine whether their electability argument collapses.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,372 posts)voted to give authorization to wage war in Iraq in the first place.
Subject to the preceding condition Trump probably wouldn't be in power much less have assassinated the Iranian general if we weren't there in the first place.
In regards to "electibility" Bernie Sanders has beaten Trump in 98% of head to head to polls since 2016.
Furthermore why does anyone believe people in the Middle East shout "death to America?"
Could it have anything to do with seeing their families, friends and nation being bombed into oblivion without regard to their feelings?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Gothmog
(145,374 posts)Link to tweet
The only way out of this crisis is through diplomacy -- clear eyed, hard-nosed diplomacy grounded in a strategy thats not about one-off decisions and one-upsmanship, Biden said.
With less than four weeks until the Iowa caucus, Bidens quickly organized speech in New York was a chance for him to show off his deep knowledge of international issues and to demonstrate to voters that he has leadership qualities he believes the president lacks. Polls suggest Democratic voters think he possesses those qualities more than his rivals for the nomination.
Subdued and reading from a TelePrompter, the former vice president spoke in detail about Middle East policy and the traditional cooperation between the White House and Congress.
No one wants war. But its going to take hard work to make sure we dont end up there by accident.
The former vice president said he knew that Trump wouldnt listen to his advice but said he hoped the president would listen to top national security officials and find a way to back away from his tweets, threats and tantrums of the past week. He urged Trump to reach out to European allies and to signal privately to Iran that the U.S. is still open to a diplomatic resolution.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,372 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Gothmog
(145,374 posts)I am glad that we will never have to worry about this
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,372 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Gothmog
(145,374 posts)Luckily there is very little chance of sanders being the nominee
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,372 posts)when running for a nomination.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)If this is true, "In regards to "electibility" Bernie Sanders has beaten Trump in 98% of head to head to polls since 2016.", then Biden has beaten trump in 100% of head to head polls since 2016.
Do you have anything to document that 98%? I'll wait.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,372 posts)we are still engaged in and at least in regards to electibility Bernie has won primaries.
"Electible" Biden had two runs at it, how many primaries has he won?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)...since the early 2000s?
There is no comparison between their overall careers and accomplishments in Washington?
Funny how every time anyone talks about them, the ONLY thing Sanders supporters bring up is that single vote.
How about his vote for the 1994 Crime Bill AND his failed attempt in 1995 to make the penalties stronger (that's always ignored)?
How about five votes against the Brady Bill and it's amendments?
How about voting to protect gun manufacturers?
How about voting against the Magnitsky Act?
How about voting against Russian Sanctions?
How about being the only Senator of 100 who ducked out of the vote to sanction Oleg Deripaska?
Shall we go on?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
The Valley Below
(1,701 posts)slogans shouted at Iranian protests since the collapsing of the Shah.
Only Death to Israel provides a rival for popularity.
You better believe it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,374 posts)This silly attack did not work against Clinton. Why does sanders think that it will work now? https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/01/08/hillary-clinton-voted-iraq-war-still-won-primary-can-joe-biden/
In 2020, Sanders is now making the same argument against former vice president Joe Biden, namely that his Iraq War vote is disqualifying. As Clinton did, Biden may point to his overall record on foreign policy under Obama (e.g., opposing the surge in Afghanistan or using sanctions and diplomacy to get the Iran nuclear deal). He also may attack Sanders as vulnerable that is to say unelectable because President Trump will easily tag him as weak on national security.....
In any case, Sanderss critique might get him only so far, even with progressive voters. Biden plainly is skeptical of Trumps rush to war now and fought in the Obama administration to stop further troop commitments. At worst (from the perspective of the average Democratic primary voter), one could say he was too trusting of Bush, became a war critic (although not immediately), showed his commitment to thoughtful internationalism under Obama and now seems fully capable of taking down Trump on his foreign policy blunders.
Voters are remarkably willing to judge candidates on what they are saying now as long as the candidate appears trustworthy and confident. Many candidates, to the frustration of opponents and/or media critics, have gotten away with changes in position or with past missteps. Voters tend to look at candidates in the present, assess their sincerity and demeanor, and then decide if they can trust them to do the right thing when the candidate is the decision-maker.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
treestar
(82,383 posts)the Democratic nominee have versus the President? Well, he's a Senator, but the Senate is not going to stop the Dotard.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,372 posts)and if Bernie should become President he will reverse Trump in a major way.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)His last vote was on June 28, and since then he's missed 241 consecutive Senate votes.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,372 posts)passed to stop supporting Saudi Arabia's war against Yemen, that should count for something.
Senate Passes Sanders' War Powers Resolution on Yemen
"Thank you all very much for being here. Let me begin by thanking Senator Lee and Senator Murphy for the great work they have done, not just in the last few months but over the last year. I want to stress the bipartisan nature of this legislation. We have brought Republicans and Democrats together in a very historic moment. And what that moment is about is that the Senate this afternoon stated that we will not continue participation in the Saudi-led intervention in Yemen, which has resulted in the worst humanitarian crisis on Earth. And that crisis is about 85,000 children starving to death; 10,000 new cases of cholera every single week; and the United Nations telling us that Yemen is on the verge of imminent famine, with the possibility of millions of people dying, all because of Saudi activities in that civil war. And today what the United States Senate said in a very loud way is that we will not continue to have our military posture dictated by a despotic, murderous regime in Saudi Arabia a regime which does not respect democracy, which does not respect human rights, a regime whose leader nobody doubts was involved in the horrific murder of a dissident journalist in the Saudi consulate in Turkey, Jamal Khashoggi. Today is a very important breakthrough both progressives and conservatives have made a profound statement that 45 years after the passage of the War Powers Act, 45 years later, finally the United States Senate has come together to use that authority for the first time and say that the responsibility for war, the constitutional responsibility for war rests with the United States Congress not the president, whether that president is a Democrat or a Republican. And I think the historic importance of today is not only moving the United States out of that horrific war, but is having the country see that their elected representatives are about to take back their constitutional responsibilities on the issues of war, one of the most important functions that the United States Congress has. So I want to thank my colleagues here and the many people at the grassroots level who have helped us pass this historic resolution."
https://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/video-audio/senate-passes-sanders-war-powers-resolution-on-yemen
Despite running for President Bernie has put forth a bill to not fund war against Iran, if the Senate doesn't that take up, where does the blame for that lay?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)...and that resolution was created and pushed by Senator Chris Murphy.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,372 posts)January 2020 is almost twenty years after the war with Iraq, who voted for that atrocity? n/t
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
UniteFightBack
(8,231 posts)post offices? He can't get shit done in the Senate I do declare and it will be even worse if he is President. He needs to stay in his lane. I still think Bernie is a good guy even though there are quite a few things I find distasteful...quite a few...quite quite a few.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Thomas Hurt
(13,903 posts)We have the votes no matter the Democratic candidate chosen. Just have to get them to the polls.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,372 posts)equipped to do.
I believe Bernie should he win the nomination, will beat Trump by a landslide.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
NYMinute
(3,256 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,372 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
NYMinute
(3,256 posts)FOX is ultra right wing propaganda without regard to truth, objectivity and balanced reporting.
Jacobin is the ultra left wing version of that. That is not what we should espouse.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,372 posts)Right or left, the corporate media conglomerates are the corporate media conglomerates period, their primary clients or allegiance are to the mega-corporations which purchase their commercials (follow the money) and/or parent corporations which own them.
FOX is a piss poor liar and anathema to progressive values and yet at the same time the most viewed network in America.
Propaganda is propaganda whether one agrees with it or not.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
NYMinute
(3,256 posts)Good.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TexasTowelie
(112,283 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
handmade34
(22,756 posts)and it seems as if the war will come before any Democrat can do anything
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
katmondoo
(6,457 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,374 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
brooklynite
(94,624 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Bummfuzzle
(154 posts)Not Republicans, not a clarification, but congress. That is a lie, a con. I have not heard a single Democrat that is supporting Trump with this. ANY Democratic Leader will do that and I feel more successfully, but maybe equally successfully as Sanders.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
still_one
(92,273 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
still_one
(92,273 posts)No thanks
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,372 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
still_one
(92,273 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,372 posts)I thought you knew that.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
still_one
(92,273 posts)that speaks volumes about her
She has blood on her hands as far as I am concerned
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Squinch
(50,957 posts)better get off his ass and put it in action.
Any time now would be just great.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,372 posts)Sanders and Khanna Introduce New Bill to 'Stop Donald Trump From Illegally Taking Us to War Against Iran'
https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/01/04/sanders-and-khanna-introduce-new-bill-stop-donald-trump-illegally-taking-us-war
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Squinch
(50,957 posts)hyperbolic headlines.
I really hate the way Trumpers distort the truth, don't you?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,372 posts)put a bill forth along these measures?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Squinch
(50,957 posts)Don't you agree that the most disgusting thing about Trumpers is the way they make ridiculous claims that they know are not true?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,372 posts)believe in Bush/Cheney' integrity when it came to authorizing a war with Iraq based on lies?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Squinch
(50,957 posts)your responses, you know it is.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,372 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Squinch
(50,957 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,372 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Squinch
(50,957 posts)far away from your original statement?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,372 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Squinch
(50,957 posts)It is so insulting that they think we are so stupid that we won't notice. Don't you hate that about them?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,372 posts)of Bush/Cheney and their lead up to a war with Iraq based on lies.
I'm not a Congressperson but just from reading the news during the lead up to war, I knew they were full of shit.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Squinch
(50,957 posts)I have no problem with Sanders himself. I'm as happy to vote for him as for any of the other candidates.
But the dishonesty of his followers is breathtaking, and it doesn't help the candidate at all. They are doing him a disservice because Democrats aren't stupid, and his more rabid followers clearly think we are.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,372 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
sheshe2
(83,815 posts)+1000 Squinch.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,761 posts)It will be more than a year before any Democrat might be in office. God knows what kind of a mess we'll be in by that time. Whatever happens, it's way too late for Bernie to fix this (if he could, which I doubt).
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sheshe2
(83,815 posts)We will be at war by morning if not sooner.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NYMinute
(3,256 posts)How is he going to stop an Iran war?
It is just propaganda.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
booley
(3,855 posts)Voting for the Iraq war really hurt Kerry and Clinton.
And it is one of many anchors slung around Biden's neck.
More importantly the one war he did vote for, the Afghanistan war, he admitted he was wrong. No prevarication. No weasel wording. No trying to rationalize it after the fact.
Sanders can call out the wars in a way the other candidates cant' credibly do.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
UniteFightBack
(8,231 posts)that I know this.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden