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Uncle Joe

(58,372 posts)
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 12:55 PM Jan 2020

Trump Wants to Drag Us Into War With Iran. Bernie Is the Candidate to Stop Him.



Among the Democratic Party presidential contenders, only Bernie Sanders can be counted on to bring moral and logical clarity to the question of war.

For one thing, Sanders has the credentials. In the sixties and seventies he opposed the war in Vietnam, in the eighties he opposed US intervention in Central America, in the nineties he voted against the Gulf War, in the aughts he opposed the war in Iraq, and he has recently opposed US intervention in Venezuela, voiced support for Palestinian rights, led an initiative to stop the US-backed Saudi war in Yemen, and is now introducing legislation to stop war in Iran. Even when he’s made mistakes — for example, he voted to authorize the invasion of Afghanistan (the sole dissenter being California representative Barbara Lee) — he has been able to admit he was wrong and reassert his commitment to an antiwar foreign policy.

(snip)

Americans are plenty exhausted by wars abroad and austerity at home, but we’re not in the clear yet. The period we’re about to enter is a dangerous one. If we want to avoid lapsing into another red, white, and blue fever dream, we need a high-profile leader on the national stage speaking truths that went unsaid by mainstream politicians in the early 2000s.

We need someone who will say: these wars are not about safety, and they’re not about freedom, and they’re not about a better life for you. You’re being played. Don’t fall for it. That person is Bernie Sanders.

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2020/01/bernie-sanders-trump-soleimani-iran-war


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Trump Wants to Drag Us Into War With Iran. Bernie Is the Candidate to Stop Him. (Original Post) Uncle Joe Jan 2020 OP
Thanks but no thanks Bev54 Jan 2020 #1
Right there with ya! Bernie has extreme views on almost everything...that isn't what's needed Thekaspervote Jan 2020 #2
Over the years Sanders has praised Gorbachov, Castro, Maduro, Ortega, and other despots. George II Jan 2020 #9
Whoever can, God bless him (or her) sandensea Jan 2020 #3
A slanderous attack on one of our great Democratic candidates recently came from jacobinmag. TidalWave46 Jan 2020 #4
You know, there's a lot of time between now and the election. MineralMan Jan 2020 #5
Jacobin's Meagan Day, of course. The same Meagan Day who trashes Biden almost 24/7. George II Jan 2020 #6
And how can Bernie stop him? Hav Jan 2020 #7
Jacobin founder/publisher Bhaskar Sunkara endorsed Jill Stein in 2016 and reneged lapucelle Jan 2020 #8
A soft puff-piece supporting the sacred-cow meme. LanternWaste Jan 2020 #10
If sanders is the nominee, trump could win 45+ states Gothmog Jan 2020 #11
He'd stop Trump The Valley Below Jan 2020 #12
sanders would make 1972 look like a good year for Democrats Gothmog Jan 2020 #14
Perish the thought of what might happen to solid Democratic offices holders The Valley Below Jan 2020 #15
sanders on the top of the ballot would kill down ballot candidates Gothmog Jan 2020 #21
If Bernie were the nominee, Trump would get his ass kicked and he knows it. Uncle Joe Jan 2020 #19
You do know that trump has a ton of really strong oppo on sanders Gothmog Jan 2020 #20
Who does Trump praise, Putin, Kim Jong-un? Uncle Joe Jan 2020 #23
Luckily in the real world there is very little chance of sanders being the nominee Gothmog Jan 2020 #27
In the real world Bernie is 1st in fundraising from the American People Uncle Joe Jan 2020 #40
If you really believe that money makes the difference Gothmog Jan 2020 #42
It's not just money, Uncle Joe Jan 2020 #44
We are fortunate that we will not be testing your theory Gothmog Jan 2020 #53
LoL.2700 $1 donations. redstateblues Jan 2020 #77
1.3 million individual donors, is that the best you can do? n/t Uncle Joe Jan 2020 #79
Mike Bloomberg is outspending everybody The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2020 #84
Bloomberg's money is his own, not the American Peoples' contributions. n/t Uncle Joe Jan 2020 #85
True, but at least it's only his own money he's wasting. The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2020 #86
Bernie is still first in fundraising from the people Uncle Joe Jan 2020 #87
It matters only if that money can be turned into votes. The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2020 #88
Well I believe the vast majority of people would not be sending their hard earned dollars to someone Uncle Joe Jan 2020 #89
A donation that's less than the cost of a double-skim latte at Starbucks The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2020 #90
Everything is relative 18-25 dollars means much more to some people than others. Uncle Joe Jan 2020 #91
Intimidated? Based on what? George II Jan 2020 #28
bwaaaaahahahahahahahahahahahahaha NYMinute Jan 2020 #37
Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it Gothmog Jan 2020 #97
+1 doc03 Jan 2020 #32
Joe Biden speaks on Iran -- and bolsters his electability argument Gothmog Jan 2020 #13
The "adult in the room" Uncle Joe Jan 2020 #16
Biden Says 'Tweets, Threats, Tantrums' Won't Ease Iran Crisis Gothmog Jan 2020 #17
No actual rebuttal to my post eh? n/t Uncle Joe Jan 2020 #18
Do you really think that anyone would trust sanders to manage foreign policy? Gothmog Jan 2020 #22
Just the people that believe in a better world. n/t Uncle Joe Jan 2020 #24
You mean only the people willing to support sanders who are too few to win the nomination for sander Gothmog Jan 2020 #25
Yes 1st or 2nd place must be a tough position to be in Uncle Joe Jan 2020 #26
I think it's time to move on from 2002..... George II Jan 2020 #30
Well it damn sure isn't 1972, that vote didn't send us to war which Uncle Joe Jan 2020 #33
Why don't we discuss what Biden has done since the early 2000s and what Sanders did NOT do... George II Jan 2020 #36
Why are you refighting the primaries? BTW, Biden has never lost a single primary. George II Jan 2020 #38
مرگ بر آمريكا (or margh bar Amrika) aka "Death to America" is one of the top two The Valley Below Jan 2020 #64
Hillary Clinton voted for the Iraq war and still won the primary. Can Joe Biden? Gothmog Jan 2020 #98
What powers does a candidate for treestar Jan 2020 #29
Well at least while Bernie is in the Senate he is trying Uncle Joe Jan 2020 #31
In the Senate trying? He hasn't been on the floor of the Senate since June..... George II Jan 2020 #41
Well Bernie; still managed despite running for President to have a bill Uncle Joe Jan 2020 #46
A resolution, not legislation, and it was more than a year ago, mid-December 2018.... George II Jan 2020 #48
It was a bill passed by the Congress only to be vetoed by Trump and Uncle Joe Jan 2020 #51
Yes his work in the Senate...his passing of these 3 bills, do I have that correct and 2 were naming UniteFightBack Jan 2020 #101
The voters will stop Trump, none of the candidates will have a fn thing to do with it. Thomas Hurt Jan 2020 #34
And that's precisely what Bernie Sanders is best Uncle Joe Jan 2020 #35
Jacobin -- the left's answer to Fox nt NYMinute Jan 2020 #39
Yeah, Meagan Day. No wonder the byline is conveniently omitted again. George II Jan 2020 #43
Well somebody needs to have a f**king answer for FOX. n/t Uncle Joe Jan 2020 #47
Let me expound NYMinute Jan 2020 #92
Let me expound. Uncle Joe Jan 2020 #93
So you agree Jacobin is Bernie propaganda? NYMinute Jan 2020 #94
+1 TexasTowelie Jan 2020 #60
Bernie's best use is in the Senate handmade34 Jan 2020 #45
Yes, Bernie in the Senate is great katmondoo Jan 2020 #50
I still have never seen a list of meaningful legislative accomplishments sponsored by sanders Gothmog Jan 2020 #99
Stopped reading after "JACOBIN"... brooklynite Jan 2020 #49
ANY of the Democrats. I was reading a post from Sanders on FB. Stating congress wants war. Bummfuzzle Jan 2020 #52
Oh. Jacobinmag... SidDithers Jan 2020 #54
No surprise still_one Jan 2020 #56
You mean the guy who hired Jill Stein supporter Briana Joy Gray and Hillary hater David Sirota? still_one Jan 2020 #55
Yes because we need Jill Stein voters. n/t Uncle Joe Jan 2020 #57
Bullshit. We don't need trump enablers like Jill Stein. people are wise to them now still_one Jan 2020 #58
Jill Stein was totally opposite regarding an ideological perspective than Trump, Uncle Joe Jan 2020 #59
When she made statements how Hillary was worse than trump, and more likely to get us in a war still_one Jan 2020 #63
That headline is ridiculous, but if Bernie DOES have some secret method to stop this, he Squinch Jan 2020 #61
Bernie has already started doing as much as any Senator can do. Uncle Joe Jan 2020 #62
Which means he doesn't really have any way of stopping this and it's just another of your Squinch Jan 2020 #65
Has any other candidate Uncle Joe Jan 2020 #66
Look at those goal posts move! They're WAY over there now! Squinch Jan 2020 #67
Did any other candidate for President Uncle Joe Jan 2020 #68
Again, watch those goalposts fly away! There they go! But your headline is still untrue, and given Squinch Jan 2020 #69
That's what I thought, nobody. n/t Uncle Joe Jan 2020 #70
Still a load of crap. Again. Squinch Jan 2020 #71
Take that "load of crap" up with the Senators that don't support the bill. n/t Uncle Joe Jan 2020 #72
Your post is not about the bill. Remember? Or have you forgotten, since you have moved so Squinch Jan 2020 #73
Original statement De Facto stands. n/t Uncle Joe Jan 2020 #74
I do so hate the way Trumpers lie and lie, knowing they are lying, and insisting they aren't. Squinch Jan 2020 #75
I totally agree Squinch, it's disgusting, it reminds me Uncle Joe Jan 2020 #78
It reminds me of the way some of Sanders followers throw out so much bullshit day after day. Squinch Jan 2020 #81
I'm happy you don't have a problem with Bernie, that shows. n/t Uncle Joe Jan 2020 #83
Excellent subthread. sheshe2 Jan 2020 #80
Too late, we're already there. The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2020 #76
He needs to rush back to the Senate STAT. sheshe2 Jan 2020 #82
Bernie couldn't stop children being put in cages NYMinute Jan 2020 #95
Certainly he makes a better case for better judgement booley Jan 2020 #96
Right-O because Bernie is the solution to everything. I can sleep so much better tonight now UniteFightBack Jan 2020 #100
 

Bev54

(10,058 posts)
1. Thanks but no thanks
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 12:58 PM
Jan 2020

I will take Biden's experience in foreign affairs and his diplomacy over Bernie Sanders, not interested.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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Thekaspervote

(32,779 posts)
2. Right there with ya! Bernie has extreme views on almost everything...that isn't what's needed
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 01:00 PM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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George II

(67,782 posts)
9. Over the years Sanders has praised Gorbachov, Castro, Maduro, Ortega, and other despots.
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 02:06 PM
Jan 2020
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sandensea

(21,642 posts)
3. Whoever can, God bless him (or her)
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 01:01 PM
Jan 2020

The fat bastard should be impeached, removed, jailed, and re-educated for this alone.

To start a war for self-serving purposes (re-election, and money). Nothing more evil than that.

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TidalWave46

(2,061 posts)
4. A slanderous attack on one of our great Democratic candidates recently came from jacobinmag.
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 01:03 PM
Jan 2020

Dark money third party source who employees campaign surrogates and lies about democrats and the party.

DU shouldn't be a place for anti-Democratic Party sources.

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primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

MineralMan

(146,318 posts)
5. You know, there's a lot of time between now and the election.
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 01:08 PM
Jan 2020

Right now, Bernie Sanders can't do anything to block Trump.

Nope. Not a damned thing.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
6. Jacobin's Meagan Day, of course. The same Meagan Day who trashes Biden almost 24/7.
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 01:10 PM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Hav

(5,969 posts)
7. And how can Bernie stop him?
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 01:10 PM
Jan 2020

This is more of an attack against the other contenders than even an attempt to argue what the title suggests.

This article is also written by the person who accused Pete of only serving for the sake of his resume and that his service in Afghanistan was only a photo-op.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

lapucelle

(18,282 posts)
8. Jacobin founder/publisher Bhaskar Sunkara endorsed Jill Stein in 2016 and reneged
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 01:31 PM
Jan 2020

on assurances that he made to labor during his takeover of a storied British socialist magazine, The Tribune.

Jacobin Accused of Reneging on Wage Deal in British Takeover of Tribune Magazine

In his bid to take over the historic British left-wing magazine, The Tribune, Jacobin publisher Bhaskar Sunkara is being accused of reneging on wage deal by employees of the paper, who kept the publication alive during struggling times. Tribune was once the home of such greats as George Orwell and has since become the leading publication associated with the influential Momentum faction within the Labor Party.

snip=============================================================================

The [launch] event received much fanfare, however underneath the takeover of the storied British publication by the American publisher, media workers activists say that he’s done it by exploiting those, who produce content for socialist publications.

Workers say that Sunkara promised that if workers took a settlement of only 70% of the back wages that they were owed that he would give them future work after taking over the publication. However, Sunkara in a statement to Payday confirmed that he would not bring the staffers back.

The workers in a series of open letters have accused Sunkara of lying to them.

“In the capitalist world someone who buys an ailing company and dumps its committed workers is known as an asset-stripper or robber baron, but at least they don’t claim to be socialists,” said former Tribune employee Ian Hernon.

http://paydayreport.com/jacobin-publisher-accused-of-reneging-on-wage-deal-in-takeover-of-british-magazine-the-tribune/

Neither capitalist Bhaskar Sunkara nor his publication Jacobin support the Democratic Party, and both often work against our interests. It is not a trustworthy source.






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LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
10. A soft puff-piece supporting the sacred-cow meme.
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 02:19 PM
Jan 2020

"You’re being played. Don’t fall for it..."

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Gothmog

(145,374 posts)
11. If sanders is the nominee, trump could win 45+ states
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 03:53 PM
Jan 2020

How will giving trump a second term help?

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The Valley Below

(1,701 posts)
12. He'd stop Trump
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 04:05 PM
Jan 2020

from losing.

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Gothmog

(145,374 posts)
14. sanders would make 1972 look like a good year for Democrats
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 04:51 PM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
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The Valley Below

(1,701 posts)
15. Perish the thought of what might happen to solid Democratic offices holders
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 04:58 PM
Jan 2020

and challengers in down-ballot races--through no fault of their own--with Sanders as our standard-bearer. It would be a wipeout in my estimation.

Fortunately I don't think that's going to happen.

I think 2020 will prove to be a great year for Democrats with Biden leading the party and proving tremendous coat-tails.

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Gothmog

(145,374 posts)
21. sanders on the top of the ballot would kill down ballot candidates
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 06:38 PM
Jan 2020

Texas will be a battleground state if Joe Biden is the nominee. If sanders is the nominee, we will lose the two congressional seats that we flipped in 2018 and the other candidates trying to flip seats can forget about it.

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Joe Biden
 

Uncle Joe

(58,372 posts)
19. If Bernie were the nominee, Trump would get his ass kicked and he knows it.
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 05:48 PM
Jan 2020

Trump is intimidated by Bernie.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

Gothmog

(145,374 posts)
20. You do know that trump has a ton of really strong oppo on sanders
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 06:37 PM
Jan 2020

No one is intimidated by sanders. Amused maybe but not intimidated.

There is a ton of great oppo on sanders. None of the Democratic candidates are using this oppo because no one really thinks that sanders has a chance of being the nominee. There are tons of video of sanders praising Fidel Castro, the old Soviet Union, Central American socialists and other enemies of the United States that would make great attack ads. trump has the money to run these ads on a constant loop so that sanders would be lucky not to repeat the results of the 1972 election.

In addition, Russia targeted African American voters last cycle to depress or suppress their vote.



Without strong African American voter turnout, no Democrat stands a chance. sanders has made Russia's efforts easy in that all Russia has to do is play videos of sanders delegates booing John Lewis, Elijah Cummings, Stacy Abrams and others. There is a ton of anger out there about this stunt by sanders delegates at the National Convention.

Do you really think that sanders can win more than 2 or 3 states in face of these kinds of attacks? Again, no one is intimidated by sanders at all,

I am glad that we will not have to find out. I will support the nominee of the party but I really doubt that sanders will be the nominee. No Democrat has wasted their time going negative on sanders because no one thinks that sanders has a chance of being the nominee.
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Uncle Joe

(58,372 posts)
23. Who does Trump praise, Putin, Kim Jong-un?
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 06:56 PM
Jan 2020

Bernie has only advocated democracy and the will of each nation to determine their own leaders and destinies whether our meg-conglomerate corporations agree with them or not.

We should not be supporting coups overthrowing the will of other nations' peoples.

I believe Bernie can win by a landslide and that's precisely what our corporate conglomerates and U.S. oligarchs are afraid of.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Gothmog

(145,374 posts)
27. Luckily in the real world there is very little chance of sanders being the nominee
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 07:07 PM
Jan 2020

The oppo that trump has available would destroy sanders in a real general election contest.

Again, none of the other Democrats see any need to use this oppo on sanders because none of these candidates are worried about sanders being the nominee. Clinton had a great oppo file on sanders that Russia hacked. Clinton never used that oppo because sanders was mathematically eliminated after the Super Tuesday contests

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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Uncle Joe

(58,372 posts)
40. In the real world Bernie is 1st in fundraising from the American People
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 07:49 PM
Jan 2020

insofar as the Democratic Primaries are concerned and usually 1st or second in the polls.

Follow the money and you will see that leads to the people in this case.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/02/politics/bernie-sanders-fourth-quarter-fundraising/index.html

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Undecided
 

Gothmog

(145,374 posts)
42. If you really believe that money makes the difference
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 07:51 PM
Jan 2020

Then you do understand that trump will be out spending sanders by a huge margin. trump may be able to outspend sanders by three or four times the amount that sanders could raise

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Uncle Joe

(58,372 posts)
44. It's not just money,
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 07:54 PM
Jan 2020

it's the number of donors and how the money is raised.

Bernie would kick Trump's ass, I have no doubt of this.

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Undecided
 

Gothmog

(145,374 posts)
53. We are fortunate that we will not be testing your theory
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 08:18 PM
Jan 2020

I will support the nominee of the party but I really doubt that sanders will be the nominee. There are far too many real democrats who have good memories and who will not forgive or forget.

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redstateblues

(10,565 posts)
77. LoL.2700 $1 donations.
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 09:38 PM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Uncle Joe

(58,372 posts)
79. 1.3 million individual donors, is that the best you can do? n/t
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 09:40 PM
Jan 2020
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The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,761 posts)
84. Mike Bloomberg is outspending everybody
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 09:46 PM
Jan 2020

and he has little chance of getting the nomination.

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primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Uncle Joe

(58,372 posts)
85. Bloomberg's money is his own, not the American Peoples' contributions. n/t
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 09:48 PM
Jan 2020
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Undecided
 

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,761 posts)
86. True, but at least it's only his own money he's wasting.
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 09:50 PM
Jan 2020

Money is used to buy advertising and pay campaign staff. It doesn't matter where it comes from with respect to how many ads can be purchased or campaign staff can be hired.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

Uncle Joe

(58,372 posts)
87. Bernie is still first in fundraising from the people
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 09:53 PM
Jan 2020

and he's leading the way for any candidate short of being a billionaire, it's a new paradigm.

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Undecided
 

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,761 posts)
88. It matters only if that money can be turned into votes.
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 10:03 PM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Uncle Joe

(58,372 posts)
89. Well I believe the vast majority of people would not be sending their hard earned dollars to someone
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 10:12 PM
Jan 2020

they weren't going to vote for, at least he the average working American; living paycheck to paycheck.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,761 posts)
90. A donation that's less than the cost of a double-skim latte at Starbucks
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 10:14 PM
Jan 2020

isn't a whole lot of skin in the game.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Uncle Joe

(58,372 posts)
91. Everything is relative 18-25 dollars means much more to some people than others.
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 10:19 PM
Jan 2020

When you have Americans deciding whether to scrimp on prescription drugs or food, etc. that's a lot.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
28. Intimidated? Based on what?
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 07:07 PM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

NYMinute

(3,256 posts)
37. bwaaaaahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 07:35 PM
Jan 2020

Sounds like Aesop's fable ... "The jackal was afraid of the squirrel etc. etc."

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Gothmog

(145,374 posts)
97. Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it
Wed Jan 8, 2020, 11:46 AM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Gothmog

(145,374 posts)
13. Joe Biden speaks on Iran -- and bolsters his electability argument
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 04:13 PM
Jan 2020



Biden is the only person who can deal with the mess created by trump https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/01/07/joe-biden-speaks-iran-bolsters-his-electability-argument/

It is not unusual that a presidential incumbent has a campaign advantage in his second election. President Barack Obama’s supporters liked to say, “GM is alive and Osama bin Laden is dead.” To beat an incumbent president, a rare historical occurrence, the challenger’s foreign policy bona fides must be solid, especially when troops are deployed around the world.

That is the considerable advantage that former vice president Joe Biden has in the Democratic primary race against contenders with little foreign policy experience or with irresponsible, extreme views that put off a lot of voters. In New York on Tuesday, Biden delivered remarks seeking to capitalize on that advantage.

“Make no mistake: this outcome of strategic setbacks, heightened threats, chants of “Death to America” once more echoing across the Middle East, Iran and its allies vowing revenge — this was avoidable,” he said. “The seeds of these dangers were planted by Donald Trump himself on May 8, 2018 — the day he tore up the Iran nuclear deal, against the advice of his own top national security advisers.” Biden argued that the trouble started “the day [Trump] turned his back on our closest European allies and decided it was more important to him to destroy any progress made by the Obama-Biden administration than build on it to create a better, safer world.”

Biden’s argument is that careful diplomacy and measured use of force had kept Iran at bay. Now, however, “a president who says he wants to end endless war in the Middle East is bringing us dangerously close to starting a new one,” Biden warned. “A president, who says he wants out of the region, sends more than 18,000 additional troops to deal with a crisis of his own making. And an administration that claims its actions have made Americans safer in the same breath urges them to leave Iraq because of increased danger.”....

If Biden’s aim was to sound like the adult in the room, the one with every ally on speed dial, he largely succeeded. He will benefit in making a clear distinction between himself and candidates who promise to bug out of the Middle East immediately or sound as though they are making excuses for an evil regime. Biden understands that average Americans do not want a war with Iran, but neither do they want to feel as though the terrorists have free reign. Just as in health care — as Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) recently learned from her fumble on Medicare-for-all — Democratic candidates who get themselves too far to the left on matters of war and peace risk viability in the general election. Biden — who boasts the biggest lead over Trump in head-to-head matchups, according to the latest Morning Consult poll — seems to understand this. Whether the others do will determine whether their electability argument collapses.
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Uncle Joe

(58,372 posts)
16. The "adult in the room"
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 05:03 PM
Jan 2020

voted to give authorization to wage war in Iraq in the first place.

Subject to the preceding condition Trump probably wouldn't be in power much less have assassinated the Iranian general if we weren't there in the first place.

In regards to "electibility" Bernie Sanders has beaten Trump in 98% of head to head to polls since 2016.


Furthermore why does anyone believe people in the Middle East shout "death to America?"

Could it have anything to do with seeing their families, friends and nation being bombed into oblivion without regard to their feelings?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Gothmog

(145,374 posts)
17. Biden Says 'Tweets, Threats, Tantrums' Won't Ease Iran Crisis
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 05:10 PM
Jan 2020



Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden called Tuesday on President Donald Trump to return to diplomacy to ease rising tensions with Iran and urged the president to explain why he’s chosen to escalate a situation that had for months appeared relatively calm.

“The only way out of this crisis is through diplomacy -- clear eyed, hard-nosed diplomacy grounded in a strategy that’s not about one-off decisions and one-upsmanship,” Biden said.

With less than four weeks until the Iowa caucus, Biden’s quickly organized speech in New York was a chance for him to show off his deep knowledge of international issues and to demonstrate to voters that he has leadership qualities he believes the president lacks. Polls suggest Democratic voters think he possesses those qualities more than his rivals for the nomination.

Subdued and reading from a TelePrompter, the former vice president spoke in detail about Middle East policy and the traditional cooperation between the White House and Congress.

“No one wants war. But it’s going to take hard work to make sure we don’t end up there by accident.”

The former vice president said he knew that Trump wouldn’t listen to his advice but said he hoped the president would listen to top national security officials and find a way to back away from his “tweets, threats and tantrums” of the past week. He urged Trump to reach out to European allies and to signal privately to Iran that the U.S. is still open to a diplomatic resolution.
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Uncle Joe

(58,372 posts)
18. No actual rebuttal to my post eh? n/t
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 05:13 PM
Jan 2020
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Gothmog

(145,374 posts)
22. Do you really think that anyone would trust sanders to manage foreign policy?
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 06:40 PM
Jan 2020

I am glad that we will never have to worry about this

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Uncle Joe

(58,372 posts)
24. Just the people that believe in a better world. n/t
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 06:57 PM
Jan 2020
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Gothmog

(145,374 posts)
25. You mean only the people willing to support sanders who are too few to win the nomination for sander
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 07:03 PM
Jan 2020

Luckily there is very little chance of sanders being the nominee

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Uncle Joe

(58,372 posts)
26. Yes 1st or 2nd place must be a tough position to be in
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 07:06 PM
Jan 2020

when running for a nomination.

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George II

(67,782 posts)
30. I think it's time to move on from 2002.....
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 07:09 PM
Jan 2020

If this is true, "In regards to "electibility" Bernie Sanders has beaten Trump in 98% of head to head to polls since 2016.", then Biden has beaten trump in 100% of head to head polls since 2016.

Do you have anything to document that 98%? I'll wait.

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Uncle Joe

(58,372 posts)
33. Well it damn sure isn't 1972, that vote didn't send us to war which
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 07:20 PM
Jan 2020

we are still engaged in and at least in regards to electibility Bernie has won primaries.

"Electible" Biden had two runs at it, how many primaries has he won?


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George II

(67,782 posts)
36. Why don't we discuss what Biden has done since the early 2000s and what Sanders did NOT do...
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 07:35 PM
Jan 2020

...since the early 2000s?

There is no comparison between their overall careers and accomplishments in Washington?

Funny how every time anyone talks about them, the ONLY thing Sanders supporters bring up is that single vote.

How about his vote for the 1994 Crime Bill AND his failed attempt in 1995 to make the penalties stronger (that's always ignored)?
How about five votes against the Brady Bill and it's amendments?
How about voting to protect gun manufacturers?
How about voting against the Magnitsky Act?
How about voting against Russian Sanctions?
How about being the only Senator of 100 who ducked out of the vote to sanction Oleg Deripaska?

Shall we go on?

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George II

(67,782 posts)
38. Why are you refighting the primaries? BTW, Biden has never lost a single primary.
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 07:38 PM
Jan 2020
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The Valley Below

(1,701 posts)
64. مرگ بر آمريكا (or margh bar Amrika) aka "Death to America" is one of the top two
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 09:03 PM
Jan 2020

slogans shouted at Iranian protests since the collapsing of the Shah.

Only Death to Israel provides a rival for popularity.

You better believe it.

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Gothmog

(145,374 posts)
98. Hillary Clinton voted for the Iraq war and still won the primary. Can Joe Biden?
Thu Jan 9, 2020, 01:31 AM
Jan 2020

This silly attack did not work against Clinton. Why does sanders think that it will work now? https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/01/08/hillary-clinton-voted-iraq-war-still-won-primary-can-joe-biden/

In months of debates, interviews and campaign appearances in the 2016 primary, Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) was unable to take down Hillary Clinton by attacking her vote for the Iraq War. Clinton was clearly the more hawkish of the two contenders, defending President Barack Obama’s handling of the war against the Islamic State and calling for a responsible drawdown in Afghanistan. Despite the Democratic Party’s staunch opposition to the war, Clinton won the nomination. She acknowledged the vote was a mistake, but also truthfully recounted that she understood President George W. Bush to be using the resolution to get the United Nations to buy into a joint resolution.

In 2020, Sanders is now making the same argument against former vice president Joe Biden, namely that his Iraq War vote is disqualifying. As Clinton did, Biden may point to his overall record on foreign policy under Obama (e.g., opposing the surge in Afghanistan or using sanctions and diplomacy to get the Iran nuclear deal). He also may attack Sanders as vulnerable — that is to say “unelectable” — because President Trump will easily tag him as weak on national security.....

In any case, Sanders’s critique might get him only so far, even with progressive voters. Biden plainly is skeptical of Trump’s rush to war now and fought in the Obama administration to stop further troop commitments. At worst (from the perspective of the average Democratic primary voter), one could say he was too trusting of Bush, became a war critic (although not immediately), showed his commitment to thoughtful internationalism under Obama and now seems fully capable of taking down Trump on his foreign policy blunders.

Voters are remarkably willing to judge candidates on what they are saying now as long as the candidate appears trustworthy and confident. Many candidates, to the frustration of opponents and/or media critics, have gotten away with changes in position or with past missteps. Voters tend to look at candidates in the present, assess their sincerity and demeanor, and then decide if they can trust them to do the right thing when the candidate is the decision-maker.
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treestar

(82,383 posts)
29. What powers does a candidate for
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 07:09 PM
Jan 2020

the Democratic nominee have versus the President? Well, he's a Senator, but the Senate is not going to stop the Dotard.

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Uncle Joe

(58,372 posts)
31. Well at least while Bernie is in the Senate he is trying
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 07:10 PM
Jan 2020

and if Bernie should become President he will reverse Trump in a major way.

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Undecided
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
41. In the Senate trying? He hasn't been on the floor of the Senate since June.....
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 07:49 PM
Jan 2020

His last vote was on June 28, and since then he's missed 241 consecutive Senate votes.

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Uncle Joe

(58,372 posts)
46. Well Bernie; still managed despite running for President to have a bill
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 08:05 PM
Jan 2020

passed to stop supporting Saudi Arabia's war against Yemen, that should count for something.



Senate Passes Sanders' War Powers Resolution on Yemen

"Thank you all very much for being here. Let me begin by thanking Senator Lee and Senator Murphy for the great work they have done, not just in the last few months but over the last year. I want to stress the bipartisan nature of this legislation. We have brought Republicans and Democrats together in a very historic moment. And what that moment is about is that the Senate this afternoon stated that we will not continue participation in the Saudi-led intervention in Yemen, which has resulted in the worst humanitarian crisis on Earth. And that crisis is about 85,000 children starving to death; 10,000 new cases of cholera every single week; and the United Nations telling us that Yemen is on the verge of imminent famine, with the possibility of millions of people dying, all because of Saudi activities in that civil war. And today what the United States Senate said in a very loud way is that we will not continue to have our military posture dictated by a despotic, murderous regime in Saudi Arabia – a regime which does not respect democracy, which does not respect human rights, a regime whose leader nobody doubts was involved in the horrific murder of a dissident journalist in the Saudi consulate in Turkey, Jamal Khashoggi. Today is a very important breakthrough – both progressives and conservatives have made a profound statement that 45 years after the passage of the War Powers Act, 45 years later, finally the United States Senate has come together to use that authority for the first time and say that the responsibility for war, the constitutional responsibility for war rests with the United States Congress – not the president, whether that president is a Democrat or a Republican. And I think the historic importance of today is not only moving the United States out of that horrific war, but is having the country see that their elected representatives are about to take back their constitutional responsibilities on the issues of war, one of the most important functions that the United States Congress has. So I want to thank my colleagues here and the many people at the grassroots level who have helped us pass this historic resolution."

https://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/video-audio/senate-passes-sanders-war-powers-resolution-on-yemen



Despite running for President Bernie has put forth a bill to not fund war against Iran, if the Senate doesn't that take up, where does the blame for that lay?
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George II

(67,782 posts)
48. A resolution, not legislation, and it was more than a year ago, mid-December 2018....
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 08:09 PM
Jan 2020

...and that resolution was created and pushed by Senator Chris Murphy.

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Uncle Joe

(58,372 posts)
51. It was a bill passed by the Congress only to be vetoed by Trump and
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 08:13 PM
Jan 2020

January 2020 is almost twenty years after the war with Iraq, who voted for that atrocity? n/t

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UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)
101. Yes his work in the Senate...his passing of these 3 bills, do I have that correct and 2 were naming
Thu Jan 9, 2020, 02:23 AM
Jan 2020

post offices? He can't get shit done in the Senate I do declare and it will be even worse if he is President. He needs to stay in his lane. I still think Bernie is a good guy even though there are quite a few things I find distasteful...quite a few...quite quite a few.

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Thomas Hurt

(13,903 posts)
34. The voters will stop Trump, none of the candidates will have a fn thing to do with it.
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 07:29 PM
Jan 2020

We have the votes no matter the Democratic candidate chosen. Just have to get them to the polls.

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Uncle Joe

(58,372 posts)
35. And that's precisely what Bernie Sanders is best
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 07:31 PM
Jan 2020

equipped to do.

I believe Bernie should he win the nomination, will beat Trump by a landslide.

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Undecided
 

NYMinute

(3,256 posts)
39. Jacobin -- the left's answer to Fox nt
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 07:38 PM
Jan 2020
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George II

(67,782 posts)
43. Yeah, Meagan Day. No wonder the byline is conveniently omitted again.
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 07:52 PM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Uncle Joe

(58,372 posts)
47. Well somebody needs to have a f**king answer for FOX. n/t
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 08:06 PM
Jan 2020
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NYMinute

(3,256 posts)
92. Let me expound
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 11:02 PM
Jan 2020

FOX is ultra right wing propaganda without regard to truth, objectivity and balanced reporting.

Jacobin is the ultra left wing version of that. That is not what we should espouse.

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Uncle Joe

(58,372 posts)
93. Let me expound.
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 11:10 PM
Jan 2020

Right or left, the corporate media conglomerates are the corporate media conglomerates period, their primary clients or allegiance are to the mega-corporations which purchase their commercials (follow the money) and/or parent corporations which own them.

FOX is a piss poor liar and anathema to progressive values and yet at the same time the most viewed network in America.

Propaganda is propaganda whether one agrees with it or not.

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Undecided
 

NYMinute

(3,256 posts)
94. So you agree Jacobin is Bernie propaganda?
Wed Jan 8, 2020, 01:55 AM
Jan 2020

Good.

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handmade34

(22,756 posts)
45. Bernie's best use is in the Senate
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 08:00 PM
Jan 2020

and it seems as if the war will come before any Democrat can do anything

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katmondoo

(6,457 posts)
50. Yes, Bernie in the Senate is great
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 08:12 PM
Jan 2020
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Gothmog

(145,374 posts)
99. I still have never seen a list of meaningful legislative accomplishments sponsored by sanders
Thu Jan 9, 2020, 01:31 AM
Jan 2020
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brooklynite

(94,624 posts)
49. Stopped reading after "JACOBIN"...
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 08:12 PM
Jan 2020
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Bummfuzzle

(154 posts)
52. ANY of the Democrats. I was reading a post from Sanders on FB. Stating congress wants war.
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 08:16 PM
Jan 2020

Not Republicans, not a clarification, but congress. That is a lie, a con. I have not heard a single Democrat that is supporting Trump with this. ANY Democratic Leader will do that and I feel more successfully, but maybe equally successfully as Sanders.

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still_one

(92,273 posts)
55. You mean the guy who hired Jill Stein supporter Briana Joy Gray and Hillary hater David Sirota?
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 08:35 PM
Jan 2020

No thanks

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Uncle Joe

(58,372 posts)
57. Yes because we need Jill Stein voters. n/t
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 08:49 PM
Jan 2020
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still_one

(92,273 posts)
58. Bullshit. We don't need trump enablers like Jill Stein. people are wise to them now
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 08:54 PM
Jan 2020
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Uncle Joe

(58,372 posts)
59. Jill Stein was totally opposite regarding an ideological perspective than Trump,
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 08:56 PM
Jan 2020

I thought you knew that.

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still_one

(92,273 posts)
63. When she made statements how Hillary was worse than trump, and more likely to get us in a war
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 09:03 PM
Jan 2020

that speaks volumes about her

She has blood on her hands as far as I am concerned


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Squinch

(50,957 posts)
61. That headline is ridiculous, but if Bernie DOES have some secret method to stop this, he
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 08:59 PM
Jan 2020

better get off his ass and put it in action.

Any time now would be just great.

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Uncle Joe

(58,372 posts)
62. Bernie has already started doing as much as any Senator can do.
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 09:02 PM
Jan 2020


Sanders and Khanna Introduce New Bill to 'Stop Donald Trump From Illegally Taking Us to War Against Iran'

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/01/04/sanders-and-khanna-introduce-new-bill-stop-donald-trump-illegally-taking-us-war

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Squinch

(50,957 posts)
65. Which means he doesn't really have any way of stopping this and it's just another of your
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 09:04 PM
Jan 2020

hyperbolic headlines.

I really hate the way Trumpers distort the truth, don't you?

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Uncle Joe

(58,372 posts)
66. Has any other candidate
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 09:11 PM
Jan 2020

put a bill forth along these measures?

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Squinch

(50,957 posts)
67. Look at those goal posts move! They're WAY over there now!
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 09:16 PM
Jan 2020

Don't you agree that the most disgusting thing about Trumpers is the way they make ridiculous claims that they know are not true?

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Uncle Joe

(58,372 posts)
68. Did any other candidate for President
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 09:20 PM
Jan 2020

believe in Bush/Cheney' integrity when it came to authorizing a war with Iraq based on lies?

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Squinch

(50,957 posts)
69. Again, watch those goalposts fly away! There they go! But your headline is still untrue, and given
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 09:22 PM
Jan 2020

your responses, you know it is.

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Uncle Joe

(58,372 posts)
70. That's what I thought, nobody. n/t
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 09:24 PM
Jan 2020
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Squinch

(50,957 posts)
71. Still a load of crap. Again.
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 09:27 PM
Jan 2020
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Uncle Joe

(58,372 posts)
72. Take that "load of crap" up with the Senators that don't support the bill. n/t
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 09:31 PM
Jan 2020
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Squinch

(50,957 posts)
73. Your post is not about the bill. Remember? Or have you forgotten, since you have moved so
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 09:32 PM
Jan 2020

far away from your original statement?

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Uncle Joe

(58,372 posts)
74. Original statement De Facto stands. n/t
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 09:34 PM
Jan 2020
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Squinch

(50,957 posts)
75. I do so hate the way Trumpers lie and lie, knowing they are lying, and insisting they aren't.
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 09:36 PM
Jan 2020

It is so insulting that they think we are so stupid that we won't notice. Don't you hate that about them?

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Uncle Joe

(58,372 posts)
78. I totally agree Squinch, it's disgusting, it reminds me
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 09:39 PM
Jan 2020

of Bush/Cheney and their lead up to a war with Iraq based on lies.

I'm not a Congressperson but just from reading the news during the lead up to war, I knew they were full of shit.

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Squinch

(50,957 posts)
81. It reminds me of the way some of Sanders followers throw out so much bullshit day after day.
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 09:42 PM
Jan 2020

I have no problem with Sanders himself. I'm as happy to vote for him as for any of the other candidates.

But the dishonesty of his followers is breathtaking, and it doesn't help the candidate at all. They are doing him a disservice because Democrats aren't stupid, and his more rabid followers clearly think we are.

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Uncle Joe

(58,372 posts)
83. I'm happy you don't have a problem with Bernie, that shows. n/t
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 09:45 PM
Jan 2020
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sheshe2

(83,815 posts)
80. Excellent subthread.
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 09:41 PM
Jan 2020


+1000 Squinch.
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The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,761 posts)
76. Too late, we're already there.
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 09:37 PM
Jan 2020

It will be more than a year before any Democrat might be in office. God knows what kind of a mess we'll be in by that time. Whatever happens, it's way too late for Bernie to fix this (if he could, which I doubt).

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sheshe2

(83,815 posts)
82. He needs to rush back to the Senate STAT.
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 09:44 PM
Jan 2020

We will be at war by morning if not sooner.

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NYMinute

(3,256 posts)
95. Bernie couldn't stop children being put in cages
Wed Jan 8, 2020, 01:56 AM
Jan 2020

How is he going to stop an Iran war?

It is just propaganda.

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booley

(3,855 posts)
96. Certainly he makes a better case for better judgement
Wed Jan 8, 2020, 02:20 AM
Jan 2020

Voting for the Iraq war really hurt Kerry and Clinton.

And it is one of many anchors slung around Biden's neck.

More importantly the one war he did vote for, the Afghanistan war, he admitted he was wrong. No prevarication. No weasel wording. No trying to rationalize it after the fact.

Sanders can call out the wars in a way the other candidates cant' credibly do.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)
100. Right-O because Bernie is the solution to everything. I can sleep so much better tonight now
Thu Jan 9, 2020, 02:21 AM
Jan 2020

that I know this.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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