Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumElizabeth Warren Shuts Down Meghan McCain's Defense of Trump on Iran
https://www.thedailybeast.com/elizabeth-warren-shuts-down-the-view-host-meghan-mccains-defense-of-trump-on-iranAfter noting that both the Treasury and State departments have designated the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps a terrorist organization, she [McCain] added, I dont understand the flip-flop. I dont understand why it was so hard to call him a terrorist, and I would just like you to explain the change.
Warren insisted that there wasnt a change in her position on Soleimani, arguing that both things can be true at the same time. The question is what is the response that the president of the United States should make, and what advances the interests of the United States of America? she asked. Saddam Hussein may have been a bad guy, she added, however, going to war in Iraq was not in the interest of the United States.
The senator continued to make her case, but McCain was stuck on semantics. Do you think hes a terrorist? she asked, interrupting Warren.
When Warren said Soleimani was part of a group that has been designated as terrorists, McCain sneered and shook her head as she asked, So hes not a terrorist?
Of course, he is, Warren answered finally. Hes part of a group that our federal government has designated a terrorist. The question though, is whats the right response? And the response that Donald Trump has picked is the most incendiary and has moved us right to the edge of war, and that is not in our long-term interests.
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McCain and other RW news sources are now portraying this as evading the question. Cilizza has already written his hit piece.
But Elizabeth stuck to her guns.
We are SO poorly served by our so-called "librul" media.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
at140
(6,110 posts)There are millions of terrorists in the world, especially the middle-east.
It is stupid to try to kill them all.
If Iran wants to be the big daddy of the middle-east, let them be.
Why should America care? We don't need their oil anymore.
Let China and Japan spend money on military to keep straits of Hormuz open.
China & Jaoan need the oil flowing, not us.
We should use only diplomacy as the tool to deal with any country.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
still_one
(92,269 posts)Warren's style
She educates ignorance
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BlueMTexpat
(15,370 posts)Thanks!
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Midnightwalk
(3,131 posts)So we should assassinate Kim Jong-un? Instead trump and Kim exchange beautiful letters while north korea is churning out nukes?
Democrats shouldnt be afraid of using the terrorist label. Warrens point that the label alone should not dictate tactics is correct.
I didnt see and wont watch anything with McCains spawn but no democratic candidate should hesitate to use the terrorist label if thats what happened in the interview.
Theres a hesitation to apply labels on the left. There are good reasons for avoiding labels, but in cases involving violence against multiple people I think its better to allow the label and move directly to what our response needs to be.
Yes it was a terrorist attack and now we have to figure out who was behind it and take action is much better than we need to investigate first before calling it terrorism.
Iran has been accused of sponsoring terrorism for decades. We obviously shouldnt and dont invade every country with that label.
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left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)No - Trump has said they are in love.
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Midnightwalk
(3,131 posts)I dont mind admitting something thats true and getting that out of the way. Why even hesitate calling Soleimani a terrorist? Call him that and immediately move onto the reckless decision. Call it ready shoot aim. Point out the hypocrisy of the trump-kim close relationship. Dont get tripped up by a twerp like McCain on whos a terrorist.
Even in cases of a recent attack I would concede the label and say the priority now is to find the attackers, who they are affiliated with, and taking actions to prevent any new attack. Why cede the word terrorist to republicans at all?
Confronting the term islamic terrorist is trickier. I say pursue terrorists by finding out their affiliates and pursuing them. We have to go after the right people.
Note that I didnt watch the video so I dont know that I would characterize Warren as having hesitated. I just hate the make them hesitate to use a label tactic.
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BlueMTexpat
(15,370 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BlueMTexpat
(15,370 posts)Warren's media treatment. https://www.mediamatters.org/meghan-mccain/media-invent-elizabeth-warren-flip-flop-soleimani-strike
Thanks to MM for pointing out the media hypocrisy.
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Midnightwalk
(3,131 posts)Thanks for the link. No hesitation. Reading what she said, she first called him a murder then said he was a government official. Both are true.
Makes me hate that twerp McCain more.
And then they even lie about her response.
Dont know what Id change in what I said but Warren didnt even hesitate. The characterization in the original article was way off.
Maybe keep it even simpler for idiots like the twerp. Which statement do you disagree with? That he was a murderer or an iranian official? How does being ignorant of those facts make us safer? But with them even lying about her response even that probably wouldnt help.
Maybe Im thinking we have to capture more of that fear mind set. A democratic president got bin laden after republicans gave up. Bumbling around in stupidity and ignorance is why we are in iraq to begin with.
Again thanks for the link. Its incredibly frustrating
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BlueMTexpat
(15,370 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden