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Uncle Joe

(58,371 posts)
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 05:16 PM Jan 2020

Bernie Sanders could actually win this thing



(CNN)With the Iowa caucuses now less than a month away, a realization is setting in among the political class: Bernie Sanders has a very credible chance at winning the 2020 Democratic nomination.

(snip)

Interviews like the one Sanders gave to Cooper on Monday night suggest that he won't make that mistake again. (Sidebar: Campaigns -- all campaigns -- are about choices between candidates. Highlighting your strengths is of value, yes. But so too is noting your opponents' weaknesses -- and why they should matter to voters.)

Sanders has clearly read up on Biden's looooong voting record -- supported the invasion of Iraq, backed NAFTA, advocated for a bankruptcy bill -- and is beginning to roll out the clear contrast between the former vice president's record on those issues and his own. (Sanders is helped in all of this because he was in the Senate contemporaneously with Biden and can point to moments where the two differed.) The next question for Sanders will be whether he puts these critiques in television ads in places like Iowa and New Hampshire as the votes in both of those states near.

Whether Sanders continues to take the case to Biden remains to be seen. Ditto whether he will wind up as the Democratic nominee. But what is less ambiguous is that Sanders is in far better position to become the Democratic standard-bearer than most people -- including most Democrats -- expected him to be even as recently as last fall. And the Iowa caucuses are only 27(!!) days away.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/07/politics/bernie-sanders-joe-biden-2020-democratic-primary/index.html

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Bernie Sanders could actually win this thing (Original Post) Uncle Joe Jan 2020 OP
I definitely am leaning toward Sanders, but MatthewHatesTrump2 Jan 2020 #1
If Democrats truly want Bernie to be a Democrat nominate and elect him President Uncle Joe Jan 2020 #2
This is one of the most sad statements about a politician I have ever seen. TidalWave46 Jan 2020 #6
I didn't trash Bernie, he has always put nation over party. n/t Uncle Joe Jan 2020 #11
Looks like one of the worst shots at a politician I have seen on DU. NT TidalWave46 Jan 2020 #12
My previous post stands. n/rt Uncle Joe Jan 2020 #13
Never claimed anything to the contrary. NT TidalWave46 Jan 2020 #14
Then why is putting nation over party Uncle Joe Jan 2020 #16
LOL bahrbearian Jan 2020 #33
WITHOUT A DOUBT... AND THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT'LL HAPPEN!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2020 #7
Perhaps, I don't know. MatthewHatesTrump2 Jan 2020 #8
If Bernie were elected he knows that in order to get Uncle Joe Jan 2020 #10
They truly don't and they won't. The third "will" is moot. George II Jan 2020 #30
You are right Uncle Joe, Bernie for all PRACTICAL purposes is a at140 Jan 2020 #32
Something all of us can agree on. TidalWave46 Jan 2020 #3
Bazinga! George II Jan 2020 #31
I only support Democrats calguy Jan 2020 #4
Yes and despite his crowds he's doing very poorly. See post #17 Thekaspervote Jan 2020 #21
Democrats shud be defined by how often they vote w/ other Democrats, makin Bernie a SUPER DEMOCRAT InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2020 #43
With help from Mike Bloomberg on Super Tuesday ritapria Jan 2020 #5
So now Bernie needs the help of a "billionaire" to get to the White House. oasis Jan 2020 #9
It's not that Bernie "needs" Bloomberg. Bernie didn't ask Bloomberg to enter the race. totodeinhere Jan 2020 #24
Oh noooos....a "billionaire" is going to put BS over the top. Surely he'll reject that help. George II Jan 2020 #36
I expected that when Bloomberg entered the race, he would take voters from Biden. Sloumeau Jan 2020 #15
Thx for the post and the links!! Spot on Thekaspervote Jan 2020 #18
Those numbers may well change before Super Tuesday, especially if either Buttigieg or totodeinhere Jan 2020 #26
Biden's numbers have only gotten stronger since Bloomberg entered the race. Sloumeau Jan 2020 #29
I agree he won't get the nomination, but that doesn't mean he might not be a spoiler. n/t totodeinhere Jan 2020 #52
You are certainly entitled to your opinion....but the reality of a 50- 50 chance is a pipe dream Thekaspervote Jan 2020 #19
Bernie is actually doing very poorly Thekaspervote Jan 2020 #17
You know Biden is performing worse than Bernie 2016, right? Joe941 Jan 2020 #46
and bernie is doing worse than biden in 2020 lol nt msongs Jan 2020 #48
That was never in dispute. Joe941 Jan 2020 #53
Cillizza is a goofball PDittie Jan 2020 #20
He would electrify the electorate as the nominee Politicub Jan 2020 #22
Sure he could. He has a 26.8% chance of winning. beastie boy Jan 2020 #23
bwaaaaahahahahahahahahahahahahaha NYMinute Jan 2020 #25
Is that supposed to be Joe? That's not very nice. zackymilly Jan 2020 #28
No byline? No click. Why not do what everyone else does, post the writer and date? George II Jan 2020 #27
Here ya go. :) Sloumeau Jan 2020 #34
I just wonder why that information, which everyone else posts, is never given in advance. George II Jan 2020 #37
Can't Rule It Out colsohlibgal Jan 2020 #35
"just the age thing" ?? sdfernando Jan 2020 #41
I could actually win tomorrow night's Powerball drawing. George II Jan 2020 #38
What BS is not and never has been is a feminist. He is in fact a misogynist. efhmc Jan 2020 #39
If sanders is the nominee, trump could win 45+ states Gothmog Jan 2020 #40
McGovern 2020 redstateblues Jan 2020 #42
Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it Gothmog Jan 2020 #54
Not tearing down other candidates with unrepresentative past actions. uponit7771 Jan 2020 #44
You mean their historical voting record? Uncle Joe Jan 2020 #50
Which would be unrepresentative of what they hold today. I don't mind mistakes, humans will ... uponit7771 Jan 2020 #51
Its going to be sanders or Biden and that's ok by me :) Kurt V. Jan 2020 #45
he "could actually" open a burger king franchise as well. or get a job as msongs Jan 2020 #47
And I could be the next queen of France. greatauntoftriplets Jan 2020 #49
Bernie Anders could actually win this thing. HeartlandProgressive Jan 2020 #55
LOL. No. highplainsdem Jan 2020 #56
 

MatthewHatesTrump2

(915 posts)
1. I definitely am leaning toward Sanders, but
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 05:21 PM
Jan 2020

isn't it time for him to actually become a Democrat?

After all, he's not an "Independent" candidate, is he?

btw, I've been a fan of Bernie for years, listening to him every week on the Thom Hartmann Show (Brunch with Bernie)

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Uncle Joe

(58,371 posts)
2. If Democrats truly want Bernie to be a Democrat nominate and elect him President
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 05:23 PM
Jan 2020

and he will govern as such.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

TidalWave46

(2,061 posts)
6. This is one of the most sad statements about a politician I have ever seen.
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 05:31 PM
Jan 2020

I'm not a fan of Sanders and I wouldn't even trash him like you just did.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Uncle Joe

(58,371 posts)
11. I didn't trash Bernie, he has always put nation over party. n/t
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 05:43 PM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
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TidalWave46

(2,061 posts)
12. Looks like one of the worst shots at a politician I have seen on DU. NT
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 05:45 PM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Uncle Joe

(58,371 posts)
13. My previous post stands. n/rt
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 05:47 PM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
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TidalWave46

(2,061 posts)
14. Never claimed anything to the contrary. NT
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 05:48 PM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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Uncle Joe

(58,371 posts)
16. Then why is putting nation over party
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 05:50 PM
Jan 2020

"one of worst shots at a politician I have seen on DU?"

If I were to vote in a presidential
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InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
7. WITHOUT A DOUBT... AND THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT'LL HAPPEN!!
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 05:33 PM
Jan 2020

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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MatthewHatesTrump2

(915 posts)
8. Perhaps, I don't know.
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 05:34 PM
Jan 2020

Like I said, I am leaning towards him, Democrat or not.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Uncle Joe

(58,371 posts)
10. If Bernie were elected he knows that in order to get
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 05:42 PM
Jan 2020

his progressive polices passed through congress there would be no going back.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
30. They truly don't and they won't. The third "will" is moot.
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 06:26 PM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

at140

(6,110 posts)
32. You are right Uncle Joe, Bernie for all PRACTICAL purposes is a
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 06:29 PM
Jan 2020

progressive Democrat. I think he remains registered as an Independent so he does not have to take orders from the DNC hierarchy.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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calguy

(5,317 posts)
4. I only support Democrats
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 05:28 PM
Jan 2020

I liked Bernie a lot as an independent before he ran for president last time around. I even still liked him when he was running even though I favored Hillary over him. But when it was clear he was not going to win the nomination, instead of toning it down, he just couldn't let it go. He was a bad loser. The way he acted during and after the convention left a sour taste in my soul for him. I lost most of the respect I had for him and I'm afraid I just can't get it back. If he does in fact win the nomination, I'll still vote for him, but I don't think that is going to happen.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Thekaspervote

(32,779 posts)
21. Yes and despite his crowds he's doing very poorly. See post #17
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 06:11 PM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
43. Democrats shud be defined by how often they vote w/ other Democrats, makin Bernie a SUPER DEMOCRAT
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 06:54 PM
Jan 2020

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

ritapria

(1,812 posts)
5. With help from Mike Bloomberg on Super Tuesday
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 05:29 PM
Jan 2020

Bernie (or Elizabeth) have a 50-50 chance of winning the most delegates on Super Tuesday ...He has hired 800 staffers to work on Super Tuesday States, as well as Ill., WI and Pa. …. Mike is just getting started …….He's probably going to get 10% - 20% of the vote - almost exclusively at the expense of Joe Biden ….. Had he pulled off this escapade in 2016 , Bernie would have won the nomination ….Go, Mike , Go !

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oasis

(49,393 posts)
9. So now Bernie needs the help of a "billionaire" to get to the White House.
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 05:36 PM
Jan 2020

Got it.

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primary today, I would vote for:
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totodeinhere

(13,058 posts)
24. It's not that Bernie "needs" Bloomberg. Bernie didn't ask Bloomberg to enter the race.
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 06:17 PM
Jan 2020

In fact Bernie has specifically criticized Bloomberg for attempting to buy the nomination. But the fact is that Bloomberg is throwing a lot of money at Super Tuesday and like it or not he will be a factor and he may well take votes away from Biden. Bernie didn't ask him to be a spoiler but he may well be.

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George II

(67,782 posts)
36. Oh noooos....a "billionaire" is going to put BS over the top. Surely he'll reject that help.
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 06:35 PM
Jan 2020

Oh wait, Bloomberg won't, and he won't.

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Sloumeau

(2,657 posts)
15. I expected that when Bloomberg entered the race, he would take voters from Biden.
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 05:48 PM
Jan 2020

However, since he announced, it was Warren and Buttigeig whose poll numbers sank. Biden's numbers are right about where they were before Bloomberg entered the race. According to this link...

https://nypost.com/2020/01/07/bloomberg-meets-polling-threshold-for-next-debate-but-unlikely-to-appear/

...Bloomberg is polling at about 5.6% nationally, but it appears that most if not all of that has come from Buttigieg and Warren. You can check it out for yourself. You can go to this link...

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/2020_democratic_presidential_nomination-6730.html

...and see how everyone does after November 24, 2019, when Bloomberg announced his candidacy.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

Thekaspervote

(32,779 posts)
18. Thx for the post and the links!! Spot on
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 06:05 PM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

totodeinhere

(13,058 posts)
26. Those numbers may well change before Super Tuesday, especially if either Buttigieg or
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 06:19 PM
Jan 2020

Warren should falter between now and then.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

Sloumeau

(2,657 posts)
29. Biden's numbers have only gotten stronger since Bloomberg entered the race.
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 06:24 PM
Jan 2020

Also, there is no way Michael "Stop And Frisk" Bloomberg is going to get the nomination. So, Bloomberg can stay in as long as he likes.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

totodeinhere

(13,058 posts)
52. I agree he won't get the nomination, but that doesn't mean he might not be a spoiler. n/t
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 08:05 PM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Thekaspervote

(32,779 posts)
19. You are certainly entitled to your opinion....but the reality of a 50- 50 chance is a pipe dream
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 06:07 PM
Jan 2020

Sanders got 40% of Democratic Primary vote in '16, he's running half that this time. Even if he got 100% of Warren's support, he'd still be behind his '16 vote total

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Thekaspervote

(32,779 posts)
17. Bernie is actually doing very poorly
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 06:04 PM
Jan 2020

Sanders got 40% of Democratic Primary vote in '16, he's running half that this time. Even if he got 100% of Warren's support, he'd still be behind his '16 vote total. Thehill.com

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Joe941

(2,848 posts)
46. You know Biden is performing worse than Bernie 2016, right?
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 07:03 PM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

msongs

(67,421 posts)
48. and bernie is doing worse than biden in 2020 lol nt
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 07:09 PM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Joe941

(2,848 posts)
53. That was never in dispute.
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 08:35 PM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

PDittie

(8,322 posts)
20. Cillizza is a goofball
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 06:10 PM
Jan 2020

for him to write this column indicates how clueless he has been up to this point.

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Undecided
 

Politicub

(12,165 posts)
22. He would electrify the electorate as the nominee
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 06:14 PM
Jan 2020

Bernie is a long shot, but it’s not out of the realm of possibility that he will be the democratic candidate for president.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

beastie boy

(9,376 posts)
23. Sure he could. He has a 26.8% chance of winning.
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 06:16 PM
Jan 2020
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/elections/betting_odds/democratic_2020_nomination/

So the question was never whether he could actually win. The question is how likely he is to win. I wouldn't bet on it. And I doubt CNN would.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

NYMinute

(3,256 posts)
25. bwaaaaahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 06:18 PM
Jan 2020


?v=1489436645
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

zackymilly

(2,375 posts)
28. Is that supposed to be Joe? That's not very nice.
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 06:21 PM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
27. No byline? No click. Why not do what everyone else does, post the writer and date?
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 06:20 PM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Sloumeau

(2,657 posts)
34. Here ya go. :)
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 06:30 PM
Jan 2020

Analysis by Chris Cillizza, CNN Editor-at-large
Updated 2:18 PM ET, Tue January 7, 2020

It pops up when you click on the link.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
37. I just wonder why that information, which everyone else posts, is never given in advance.
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 06:36 PM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

colsohlibgal

(5,275 posts)
35. Can't Rule It Out
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 06:32 PM
Jan 2020

Bernie and I see pretty eye to eye on most everything, it is just the age thing, same as Biden, that concerns me. I would hope if either wins the nomination they would pick a running mate considerably younger.

Long, long way to go, who knows, in my lifetime i’ve seen early front runners slide as time goes on.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

sdfernando

(4,935 posts)
41. "just the age thing" ??
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 06:49 PM
Jan 2020

Really? Looks like you support Elizabeth Warren how is only 7 years younger than Biden, and 8 younger than Bernie.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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George II

(67,782 posts)
38. I could actually win tomorrow night's Powerball drawing.
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 06:42 PM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

efhmc

(14,731 posts)
39. What BS is not and never has been is a feminist. He is in fact a misogynist.
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 06:44 PM
Jan 2020

Therefore to this Dem feminist, he is not now or never has been a Democrat.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Gothmog

(145,359 posts)
40. If sanders is the nominee, trump could win 45+ states
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 06:44 PM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Gothmog

(145,359 posts)
54. Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it
Wed Jan 8, 2020, 11:48 AM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
44. Not tearing down other candidates with unrepresentative past actions.
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 06:55 PM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Uncle Joe

(58,371 posts)
50. You mean their historical voting record?
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 07:34 PM
Jan 2020

That is the only way we can gauge their judgment.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
51. Which would be unrepresentative of what they hold today. I don't mind mistakes, humans will ...
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 07:44 PM
Jan 2020

... make them its making them again that's the bigger issue.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

Kurt V.

(5,624 posts)
45. Its going to be sanders or Biden and that's ok by me :)
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 06:56 PM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
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msongs

(67,421 posts)
47. he "could actually" open a burger king franchise as well. or get a job as
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 07:07 PM
Jan 2020

a bus driver. many things could happen

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greatauntoftriplets

(175,745 posts)
49. And I could be the next queen of France.
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 07:20 PM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 
55. Bernie Anders could actually win this thing.
Wed Jan 8, 2020, 11:59 AM
Jan 2020

Thank you for the post.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
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