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left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
Sun Jan 12, 2020, 01:40 PM Jan 2020

Biden is the Democrats' 'only hope' to defeat Trump

BY KEVIN WALLING, OPINION CONTRIBUTOR — 01/12/20

In the latest Morning Consult poll conducted Dec. 30 through Jan. 5, Biden is leading President Trump 46 percent to 40 percent in a hypothetical matchup, “the widest margin recorded among the top five contenders for the party’s nomination.” In the same poll, Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) and former New York City Mayor Mike Bloomberg lead the incumbent president by just two points, with former South Bend, Ind., Mayor Pete Buttigieg and Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) statistically tied within the margin of error.

This latest poll is similar to previous surveys over the past few months that show Biden leading Trump anywhere between five percentage points (CNN 12/12-12/15) and nine points (Quinnipiac 12/4-12/9). The Democratic nominee will need that kind of national advantage to ensure not just a popular vote victory, but an Electoral College win — the only thing that actually matters.

In 2008, then-Sen. Barack Obama was able to assemble a broad coalition of voters that delivered him a massive Electoral College win, defeating Sen. John McCain 365 to 173. Critical to that victory was the fact that Obama won the largest share of white support of any Democrat since Jimmy Carter in 1976, including winning 54 percent of young white voters. Obama also received a record-breaking 96 percent of black voter support and held McCain to breaking even with suburban voters, a key voting bloc that Republicans had previously counted on.

According to the same Morning Consult poll, Biden is the only leading Democratic candidate in the field that can assemble that similar winning Obama coalition. “Biden outperforms all of the leading contenders among white male voters… leads Trump among middle-income Americans, 45 percent to 43 percent… and he bests Trump by 8 points among suburban voters.”

https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/477858-biden-is-the-democrats-only-hope-to-defeat-trump

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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Biden is the Democrats' 'only hope' to defeat Trump (Original Post) left-of-center2012 Jan 2020 OP
Biden running DownriverDem Jan 2020 #1
Agree - Harris or Warren or Duckworth SCantiGOP Jan 2020 #8
I'd go for Senator Harris first to help with both women and... Sloumeau Jan 2020 #32
We fucking HAVE to win this one world wide wally Jan 2020 #2
It's too bad a lot of Dem's vote with their heart instead of their head. I've always voted with my UniteFightBack Jan 2020 #3
I wish we'd change our messaging away from "beating tRump" to rainin Jan 2020 #4
+1 CrispyQ Jan 2020 #5
It is too late for that...and since we don't have the governorships nor the legislators in a number Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #11
+1000 MH1 Jan 2020 #13
Thank you...unless we win elections in Georgia, Texas...etc at the state level..we are going to Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #15
NORMALCY 2020 Qutzupalotl Jan 2020 #6
Whether Joe is the only one or not... LakeArenal Jan 2020 #7
Yes. Too often folks over look the fact that Biden is far and away the most job-specific qualified emmaverybo Jan 2020 #9
The Hill's opinion is as valuable as confederate money nowadays. LonePirate Jan 2020 #10
Only when it goes against your candidate...I have seen the Hill promoted by Warren supporters. Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #12
Thanks for the laugh left-of-center2012 Jan 2020 #17
The impeachment report raked The Hill over the coals. They deserve no respect. See below. LonePirate Jan 2020 #19
See my reply for your fellow supporter above...took me a minute to find thee Hill articles Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #31
Those articles should be ignored just like this one should. Except you won't admit that whereas I do LonePirate Jan 2020 #37
When I said some Warren supporters like the Hill just fine when there stories are favorable to Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #38
I found a numer of Hill articles posted by Warren supporters favoring suprise Warren! Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #29
We should get behind the candidate who has the largest polling MineralMan Jan 2020 #14
There are no other options...+1000 Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #20
So it seems to me, anyhow. MineralMan Jan 2020 #21
If we run a centrist candidate offering Voltaire2 Jan 2020 #16
Biden is not a centrist which is a the same as saying establishment...we need to run a candidate Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #22
Right now, the status quo is Donald Trump. MineralMan Jan 2020 #23
Biden can WIN in the SWING STATES and WITH Cha Jan 2020 #24
lol@.. see you have all the buzzwords down.. "status quo" "centrist".. Cha Jan 2020 #26
What matters is what's going on in swing states. Those poll numbers are national numbers. totodeinhere Jan 2020 #18
Bernie is losing Virginia and is not particularly competitive in the mid west and his M4A Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #25
Actually Bernie is in second place among AA voters overall and totodeinhere Jan 2020 #30
I'll take beating dump over competitive any day. nt UniteFightBack Jan 2020 #27
"Only hope" is not correct, if... Mike Nelson Jan 2020 #28
Bull. James48 Jan 2020 #33
Disagree Champion Jack Jan 2020 #34
I'd be more than happy with any of the top 3. safeinOhio Jan 2020 #35
K&R Scurrilous Jan 2020 #36
Joe Biden is the most electable candidate Gothmog Jan 2020 #39
 

DownriverDem

(6,231 posts)
1. Biden running
Sun Jan 12, 2020, 01:42 PM
Jan 2020

with a strong progressive Dem woman would be a winning ticket. Go Joe!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

SCantiGOP

(13,874 posts)
8. Agree - Harris or Warren or Duckworth
Sun Jan 12, 2020, 02:28 PM
Jan 2020

We want to give Trump the chance to make horrible sexist comments about her, to help drive the last sane white suburban women from the GOP.
If there is a woman on the Dem ticket I think Trump dumps Pence and puts Haley on the ticket.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Sloumeau

(2,657 posts)
32. I'd go for Senator Harris first to help with both women and...
Sun Jan 12, 2020, 04:39 PM
Jan 2020

people of color. Biden's support among Black voters, plus all of the women who want a woman on the ticket and Trump out of there would make that a killer ticket.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)
3. It's too bad a lot of Dem's vote with their heart instead of their head. I've always voted with my
Sun Jan 12, 2020, 01:45 PM
Jan 2020

head. ALWAYS. And it's great when those two things coincide...like 2020.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

rainin

(3,011 posts)
4. I wish we'd change our messaging away from "beating tRump" to
Sun Jan 12, 2020, 02:11 PM
Jan 2020

"overcoming voter suppression" or "overcoming cheating". I cringe when people use words that make him sound legitimate, when he clearly isn't. He is easily beatable in a fair election. We make him sound so strong and we're missing the opportunity to put in every voter's mind the importance of protecting the vote and the need for massive turnout. We need to OVERWHELM the republicans at the ballot box. tRump is a pathetic, unpopular, weak troll that never would have won without gaming the system.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

CrispyQ

(36,526 posts)
5. +1
Sun Jan 12, 2020, 02:17 PM
Jan 2020

Messaging isn't our strong suit.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Demsrule86

(68,691 posts)
11. It is too late for that...and since we don't have the governorships nor the legislators in a number
Sun Jan 12, 2020, 03:24 PM
Jan 2020

of states who engage in what you described like for example Georgia, we need to choose a candidate that can win no matter what. Biden is that candidate.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

MH1

(17,606 posts)
13. +1000
Sun Jan 12, 2020, 03:28 PM
Jan 2020

Biden may not be the only option who can beat Trump. But I absolutely agree with your assessment otherwise.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Demsrule86

(68,691 posts)
15. Thank you...unless we win elections in Georgia, Texas...etc at the state level..we are going to
Sun Jan 12, 2020, 03:33 PM
Jan 2020

have a tough time with gerrymandering and voter suppression. In Ohio, we passed a referendum on gerrymandering which the GOP Governor and legislature is ignoring. No matter what there is no time to fix this mess.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LakeArenal

(28,847 posts)
7. Whether Joe is the only one or not...
Sun Jan 12, 2020, 02:21 PM
Jan 2020

He’s the most qualified to defeat trump and bring some respect to the office.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
9. Yes. Too often folks over look the fact that Biden is far and away the most job-specific qualified
Sun Jan 12, 2020, 02:53 PM
Jan 2020

and experienced candidate, as well as the only candidate well able due to his FP cred for the critical “moment we are in” as a world.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LonePirate

(13,431 posts)
10. The Hill's opinion is as valuable as confederate money nowadays.
Sun Jan 12, 2020, 03:21 PM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Demsrule86

(68,691 posts)
12. Only when it goes against your candidate...I have seen the Hill promoted by Warren supporters.
Sun Jan 12, 2020, 03:27 PM
Jan 2020

Human nature. Lots of other sources that echo this.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
17. Thanks for the laugh
Sun Jan 12, 2020, 03:46 PM
Jan 2020

Warren supporters love The Hill when articles favor her.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LonePirate

(13,431 posts)
19. The impeachment report raked The Hill over the coals. They deserve no respect. See below.
Sun Jan 12, 2020, 04:13 PM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Demsrule86

(68,691 posts)
31. See my reply for your fellow supporter above...took me a minute to find thee Hill articles
Sun Jan 12, 2020, 04:36 PM
Jan 2020

posted by Warren supporters...nothing wrong with that IMHO...but there it is.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LonePirate

(13,431 posts)
37. Those articles should be ignored just like this one should. Except you won't admit that whereas I do
Sun Jan 12, 2020, 07:50 PM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Demsrule86

(68,691 posts)
38. When I said some Warren supporters like the Hill just fine when there stories are favorable to
Sun Jan 12, 2020, 07:58 PM
Jan 2020

Warren and post these stories...I got a and was informed that wasn't so...well it is so, and it took me one minute to find these posts...be there are more too. It is natural to like stories that are favorable to your candidate so there you have it. The articles were not ignored and were posted by Warren supporters.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Demsrule86

(68,691 posts)
29. I found a numer of Hill articles posted by Warren supporters favoring suprise Warren!
Sun Jan 12, 2020, 04:34 PM
Jan 2020

The Hill: Signs That African-Americans Warming To Warren

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287289312


Sanders supporters cry foul over Working Families endorsement of Warren

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287286379

and who could forget this one...

Obama Is Reportedly Talking Up Elizabeth Warren With Donors

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287392349

He/she who laughs last laughs best.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

MineralMan

(146,333 posts)
14. We should get behind the candidate who has the largest polling
Sun Jan 12, 2020, 03:28 PM
Jan 2020

lead over Trump. The Republicans will try to interfere in November, and only numbers will defeat them.

And it's not just Trump. We also need the Senate, which will be even more difficult and will require a high Democratic turnout.

I don't see how we have any option other than that.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Demsrule86

(68,691 posts)
20. There are no other options...+1000
Sun Jan 12, 2020, 04:18 PM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

MineralMan

(146,333 posts)
21. So it seems to me, anyhow.
Sun Jan 12, 2020, 04:20 PM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Voltaire2

(13,187 posts)
16. If we run a centrist candidate offering
Sun Jan 12, 2020, 03:46 PM
Jan 2020

nothing more than maintaining the status quo with a few minor tweaks, against a rightwing populist, we will once again lose.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Demsrule86

(68,691 posts)
22. Biden is not a centrist which is a the same as saying establishment...we need to run a candidate
Sun Jan 12, 2020, 04:20 PM
Jan 2020

who can appeal to moderates and AA voters...in MI, WI and PA...so you are wrong...sick of the dog whistle words too. No election has ever been won on the left. And until we move the electorate left it won't happen...if you look at the mid terms and the latest elections that is clear. Notice I said appeal to moderates...Biden is no moderate unless you are comparing him to the far left green types.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

MineralMan

(146,333 posts)
23. Right now, the status quo is Donald Trump.
Sun Jan 12, 2020, 04:21 PM
Jan 2020

None of our candidates will maintain that. None.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(297,693 posts)
24. Biden can WIN in the SWING STATES and WITH
Sun Jan 12, 2020, 04:24 PM
Jan 2020

People of Color..

All your "centrist" labels in the World will NOT Change That.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(297,693 posts)
26. lol@.. see you have all the buzzwords down.. "status quo" "centrist"..
Sun Jan 12, 2020, 04:25 PM
Jan 2020

good job on your ******* buzzwords. But that's all they are.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

totodeinhere

(13,059 posts)
18. What matters is what's going on in swing states. Those poll numbers are national numbers.
Sun Jan 12, 2020, 03:52 PM
Jan 2020

In swing states Bernie is competitive with Trump. Nationally, I think there is little doubt that any major Democrat will win the popular vote. But that's not good enough. We need to win in the Electoral College and I think the jury is still out on which of our candidates is best positioned to do that.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Demsrule86

(68,691 posts)
25. Bernie is losing Virginia and is not particularly competitive in the mid west and his M4A
Sun Jan 12, 2020, 04:24 PM
Jan 2020

which destroys hard won union insurance will end his chances there. And AA vote is very important in the mid west...and he is weak in that regard. You have to hold Virginia...not only could we lose the presidency with Warren or with Sanders we likely won't get the Senate and may well lose the House. He has my vote in the general but not the primary.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

totodeinhere

(13,059 posts)
30. Actually Bernie is in second place among AA voters overall and
Sun Jan 12, 2020, 04:35 PM
Jan 2020

leads among younger AA's. That Virginia poll is just one poll and Virginia is well on its way to becoming a solidly blue state. I think that any of our major candidates will carry Virginia in the general.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)
27. I'll take beating dump over competitive any day. nt
Sun Jan 12, 2020, 04:28 PM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Mike Nelson

(9,968 posts)
28. "Only hope" is not correct, if...
Sun Jan 12, 2020, 04:30 PM
Jan 2020

... I understand the article and other polls I've seen... maybe "best hope" would be a better headline?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

James48

(4,441 posts)
33. Bull.
Sun Jan 12, 2020, 04:42 PM
Jan 2020

Bernie’s better.

I’m with Bernie.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

safeinOhio

(32,727 posts)
35. I'd be more than happy with any of the top 3.
Sun Jan 12, 2020, 05:00 PM
Jan 2020

But, I feel we need, more than anything, to take the Senate and keep the house.

Therefore I will be sending my money to those running for Congress in close races.

I learned in 2016 that I'm not good at predicting, so if we can take both houses of Congress, it will not matter as much if we are wrong about the Presidential race. With the Democratic Congress trump will have to pay for his own golf, security, airplane trips etc. he will be dead in the water, so to speak.

I also am not happy with infighting between those running.


but again that is just me, so please make up your own mind.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Gothmog

(145,595 posts)
39. Joe Biden is the most electable candidate
Mon Jan 13, 2020, 06:37 PM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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