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so it isn't ridiculous to think he decided a woman can't win. I definitely believe Warren on this.

does Bernie? And this isn't a flip question, what is Bernie's opinion on if the election was stolen, i really don't know.

it is another matter.

The popular vote was for the female. Not for the lying, game-show host.

I think other reasons his win is illigitimate come to mind but not that one.

likely prevented far, far more voters that supported her from voting, and gave the EC to Trump.

So there's that.

She still got more votes than any candidate not named Obama, despite all that.

never see 'it' coming...I would say the same about Warren. Well done. He had it coming after allowing those in his campaign to call her names...elite my ass. I am not a Warren supporter but that was ridiculous and unfair.

When he asked her not to run, was it at the same meeting where he claimed a woman could not win? Shameful stuff. I guess he felt entitled to the nomination or something...

And your tweet just basically reinforces with what little respect Sanders cares about """identity politics,""" which most of us non alt-right folks -- and apparently non-Sanders supporters -- would just call civil rights.

His statements have implied that women, who he is running against or does not support for office, are prone to expecting people to vote for them because they are a woman, or a Latina.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/11/21/sanders-identity-politics/94221972/

https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2016/02/04/when-bernie-sanders-ran-against-vermont/kNP6xUupbQ3Qbg9UUelvVM/story.html

But not for the campaign you think.

... and for obvious reasons, I won't elaborate, but those who know me will understand what I mean because I've discussed it and mentioned it on several occasions. (Just not this particular one.)

he expressed in 2018 that he thinks in the current atmosphere that it would be tough for a woman to win.

I don’t see why people are going bonkers with this as if one side has to be lying.

Geez....media makes this so much prettier than it is even.

Rather despicably, I might add.

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an observational tone, even sympathetic, about the current political climate. That tone may have not conveyed to others because of Sanders manner of speaking, or in the retelling.

Getting huffed about this is overthetop petty, IMO. Media is liking it.

Warren is right to be matter of fact about it and not act bent out of shape the way some want.

Neither side is equivocating about the content of the conversation. That Senator Warren is being tactful doesn't obviate the simple truth that someone is lying. Dismissing that prevarication because, maybe, he had a different perspective at the time misses the much larger story.

Senator Sanders could have stated what you just did, but he didn't. He denied the accusation in an unseemly manner. Perhaps he's telling the truth now, but it certainly doesn't appear so.

That should matter, no?

others heard it more harshly.

We all know his gruffness can sound meaner than the normal person’s speaking voice.

So there's that.

One thing is sure, the Republicans are loving this nonsense.

unfriendly to Warren who want to see the more zealous of the Sanders supporters blot it up further by blaming and attacking her.

...like she did when asked about the rumors he asked her not to run this cycle.

Truly deplorable stuff.

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OTOH, maybe the Sanders camp is cooking up something with their voluntary slack channel, which, I'm assured, is a real thing.

we can't trust them

Where is Biden mentioned in all of this?

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Here is what I suspect happened. Remember this is 2018, 2 years after Hillary Clinton lost in 2016. It may be, at the time they were talking, that because of Hillary's loss, because of all of the sexism that she had to endure during that campaign, that Senator Sanders wondered if a woman could actually become President with so much sexism infusing Hillary's campaign.

He may not have been anti-woman at all. Instead, he may have just been discussing what he thought might have been the political realities at the time. I don't know for sure. I am trying to be open-minded about this. As, I mentioned in an earlier post about this subject, if Warren does not want to bury Sanders with this, neither do I. I will accede, assent and agree to her will.

... Warren. I just saw Bernie's spokesman say something about Biden's Iraq War vote. Good move... change the subject and find a more rewarding target. However, have something prepared for the debate tomorrow... I would praise Hillary Clinton and say a woman can win, obviously.

A woman DID win. She got millions more in votes. It was just because of the weirdness of the Electoral College that Trump got in. So, why would Bernie say a woman could not win when clearly, a woman already did win?

... in 2020? I don't know... if this comes up in the debate, we could have one of those stories that gets elevated. Sometimes weird stories appear and strike a nerve with voters. I know candidates try to keeps an eye on left field - to see if one will appear...

sound like-trying to change the subject. Trump of course.

the Presidency.

Warren described and seemed to take it in that manner — “punditry” re: 2020. But as usual, the media wants to make a major controversy of it — as obviously do the usual flame Sanders folks here at DU.

A) Warren is a lier, or
B) Sanders is a misogynist.
(And neither is probably true, by the way. All of it can, most likely, be written off as statements being taken out of context.)

But sure, let's give Trump and his evil flying monkey squad more ammunition against potential Democratic candidates. I didn't like this crap when camp Hillary falsely accused Bernie of being a GUN NUT, and I didn't like it when camp Bernie falsely accused Joe Biden of wanting to dismantle Social Security, Paul Ryan style. And THIS Democratic Party self-inflicted wound is the dumbest one yet. Save these tactics for the ENEMY this time. And when I say ENEMY, this time it only BARELY qualifies as hyperbole.

Because of how obviously untrue it is. Hillary won by 3 million votes! I think there was a misunderstanding. I hope more information comes out.

it's the lying trolls that post this stuff. How freaking stupid are they?

Let’s have a ginned up Progressive Trash Talk fight to destroy the Left of the Democratic Party!
JUST STOP IT and instead focus on the issues! Don’t feed the trash talk fight! I am for a Warren Sanders duo to get together and capture all those young people’s votes!

By the steady barrage of anti BS posts here, and the trolls that comment. Jeez. guys, at least TRY to be original. You're as obvious as fart in a bathroom.

I am shocked by the path Warren has decided to take and will send the cash to Bernie.


I gave to all the progressives and Warren was my second choice, no more though.

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There are numerous videos available where Senator Sanders states emphatically that a women could absolutely win the Presidency. He has made it very clear as far back as the '80's that he would support a woman running for President. There is no doubt in my mind this statement is untrue. It is completely out of character for him. Produce an audio recording if you want me to believe this.

Only to the very extreme, perhaps.

And has resorted to "lying."

It's a classic dirty politics reaction. If it were true, it would have come out a year ago when it supposedly took place.

After all, Sanders did state the following:

"You know there are a lot of white folks out there who are not necessarily racist who felt uncomfortable for the first time in their lives about whether or not they wanted to vote for an African-American."