Unelectable Bernie is leading Trump , 53% - 47%...... Speaking of Polls ..From Marquette Law School ...Poll of Wisconsin Democratic Primary Voters : Biden 23% ….Bernie 19% ..Buttigieg 15% ...Warren 14% ...Bloomberg & Yang 6% ...

Same FL poll
Biden 42%
Sanders 16%
Warren 10%

His fans can donate multiple times. And they can click in online polls multiple times. But they can ONLY VOTE ONCE... assuming they're registered to vote, and assuming they're registered Democrats in states without open primaries, and assuming they bother to show up at all. (It's well know and documented that the age-group that gravitates to the BS campaign is the same age-group that is least likely to vote.) Things aren't looking very good for the BS campaign.

There would be little point in wasting political gunpowder on the primary by a "think tank" which specializes in fomenting the status quo. The OpEd clearly was aimed at the general and, in the general, guess who should be worried?

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The poll may have been pointed towards the GE...so what!! Sanders numbers are not there

And the numbers I mentioned were part of the same poll.

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You sidestepped my whole point. Since you touched polling, though...

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This organization doesn't seem to have a website, and it appears that they do their "polling" through twitter surveys.

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that both illustrate the flaw in your reasoning (false analogy).

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This poll (and others) says it is Sanders.

So now when it's not Biden most likely to beat Trump, we have different standards?

Surely he's not going to get 60+ million write-in votes.

because Sanders WILL secure the nomination.

or his stated policies? His agenda is questionable..

His stated policies have their issues, but someone else could get them a lot further down the road.

and bring in enough NEW voters to guarantee victory over tRumpty Dumbty!!


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

Doing so consistently not merely hurts your own credibility, but that of your candidate as well.

Though I understand providing evidence to support one's premise/conclusion may be inconvenient, it really is a fundamental part of critical and rational thought... even if not so fundamental to self-styled revolutions.






"Well, ya know... we all wanna change the world."

and that's just not true. Nobody wins elections without the support of far more voters than comprise their ideological base, and the Democrats' traditional tent is a very large one that includes millions of people who characterize themselves as "moderate." There is also a large number of people who call themselves independents, some of whom favor Democratic politicians but are not ideologues and could go either way. You have to cast a wide net to be successful, but these days Bernie's net looks like something you'd use in your 25-gallon aquarium stocked with neon tetras and goldfish.

Sanders got 40% of Democratic Primary vote in '16, he's running half that this time. Even if he got 100% of Warren's support, he'd still be behind his '16 vote total. thehill.com

a quarter to a third of Warren's supporters. And he couldn't count on those not eventually looking up the definition of democratic socialist, and they're more likely than those who have him as #1 to care that he's always been much farther left than Mondale and McGovern.

No way is he going to be the nominee. Be realistic.

rousing his people to support the legislation he introduces, to the point that he'll be able to make congress offers they "can't refuse." A somewhat similar, but far, far less friendly, approach to congress than Trump's. Trump has managed to obtain the support of his own party in congress after all, although they still do the legislating, sorta.

My questions are, does he plan to do that for all the legislation he "introduces" that a majority, Democrats or otherwise, won't support (and we should assume from this approach that he expects it to be a great deal). And if so, are you expecting to march in the streets to demand the house and senate pass every bill the president writes, or just some? How is that going to work? Is a congressional compliance actually necessary?

Of course, Trump's still hoping to pull a people-supported coup off, and his ass out of the fire, and Republican congressional fear of his trumpsters has been a great asset. Any insights from what else is working for him and not?

I am not able to see how Bernie could ever beat Trump. Bernie yells his ideas at everyone (with that angry red spittle face of his) but he doesn't give nearly enough specifics as to how he will get his ideas written into law. He does indeed come across as a loud and angry socialist. That's just my honest take from watching his debate performance. And good grief...if he wins the nomination...Trump and the Russians won't need to write any attack ads...cuz those attack ads are gonna write themselves.

P.S. And last nite...Elizabeth did not put up with any of Bernie's nonsense. I thought she did fantastic against him.

In the first place. If she would have dumped him long ago I do believe she would have faired better... IMHO

But I agree that as the field gets smaller and the questions get tougher he will fall further behind.

He does need to work on that pointing a shaking finger thing. Reminds me of grandpa from the simpsons.

It's time we followed HIM!!


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

the more you'll see of this type of opinion piece.

The corporatocracy will not die easily.

Step back for a minute. Read what you just wrote. Then please explain why you don't think it sounds like something from Jim Jones' People's Temple or the Branch Davidians.

Laughing but in reality it’s not funny because what you said is so true. Why don’t his followers see that??

Hopefully EW has come away with her eyes wide open as to who is her friend and who isn’t

And no one credibly accuses Bernie Sanders of being antisemitic. Details matter. And Americans will need to become comfortable with a mixed economy... No, wait. They already are, and they like it. That's what Sanders advocates for. Americans strongly support social safety nets. Sanders isn't advocating nationalizing any major industries.

If Republican conservatives can overnight become Russia lovers, American voters can certainly support expanding Medicare.

Because they have no principles.

Democrats do. M4A isn’t medicare. And won’t pass anyway.

Every other first world country can offer health care.

We are NOT throwing people off their healthcare. We trying to change the system. YOUR MD will still be a MD. You can still see them. We are just changing the system so EVERYONE can see a MD.

If we want this, change the message and get on board!

If we don't, well - back to the same old same old.

If you have some insider info that the rest of us don’t on how it will pass Congress and move forward to law ...please do share

Let's recap recent events, shall we?

1) Multiple polls show Bernie in first place. Here's is one of the latest (as of 4:15PM EST 01/15/2020):


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2) Trump takes to the stage at a Milwaukee rally and states, "Bernie is surging."

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Site for Dems.

Come on!

And means nothing. Has been that way for years.

Kos has admitted as much, but likes going on tv to promote it too much.

and allows multiple votes per person. It's meaningless.

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It allows multiple votes per person, so it's meaningless.

"Trump takes to the stage at a Milwaukee rally and states, "Bernie is surging."

Trump lies about everything. He's lied more than 12,000 times since he became president. Are you suggesting that we should suddenly start believing him?

"debate day fundraising numbers"

Are irrelevant if those dollars aren't turned into votes. He's raised more and spent more than any other candidate, yet he's within a point or two of where he was eight months ago. To date, all the money has done very little.

He said taxes would need to be raised to deal with the debt. And he was right.

is a waste of font.

There will now be a swarm of posts trying to convince us that Sanders was sent from heaven by god herself to eliminate death, poverty and natural disasters once and for all.

His successful legislation naming two post offices was just the beginning.

The author takes it for granted Americans vote for policy or political ideology more than they do personality and spectacle.

It just isn’t realistic in any way, shape or form.

His Democratic opponents aren’t going to make it an issue in the primary, but we know who will in the general.