Bernie has made clear that he would not only double down on Trump's tariffs, but he would go further than Trump in trying to isolate the U.S. Bernie's opposition to the most recent trade deal illustrates how Bernie continues to scapegoat immigrants and trade for the problems faced by American workers. It is is a xenophobic view that can be even more extreme then Trump when it comes to trade.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/25/politics/bernie-sanders-tariffs-trade-war-sotu-cnntv/index.html

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...that you would do the same ones Trump does (much less double down on THOSE), or do them the same ways for for same reasons. Using tariffs is not inherently bad in all circumstances.

At any rate, the OP is about USMCA, which is not about imposing tariffs.

...he voted against trump's trade deal...

...think about it...

...think about it...

So I am told.

No one who says so ever shows the statistics to support it, but it must be true, because disagreeing with it is yet another attack on Bernie.

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Questions, questions....

Haven't seen it so far.

Trade is complicated. Look at the other Dems who voted with Sanders. Do you question THEIR loyalty to the Dem party? Probably not. Therefore, it is silly to use this position to question Sanders'.

...I think one can legitimately call him a Dem at the moment. But that's not the point.

...caucuses with the Dems, gets Dem committee assignments, is accepted by the DNC as a qualified nominee to be their standard-bearer, and as as someone who was still voting in sync with people like Chuck Schumer, Kamala Harris, Cory Booker, Kirsten Gillibrand, Ed Markey, etc., some of the most prominent voices of the Democratic party. If you genuinely think there was something wrong with voting against USMCA, why not post against THOSE folks?

Midwest farmers have suffered greatly due to Trump's escalation of tariffs and the federal government has had to subsidize farmers to mitigate their losses. If Bernie wants to inflict more pain on farmers and people support that, then that is on them.

He supports tariffs and is anti-trade. American Firstism is wrong, and will lead to more global hostility.

Warren is similarly opposed to global trade that will help poor workers in Mexico, Asian countries, etc., progress.

Bernie helped set up the environment that lead to Trump with his repeated efforts to scapegoat Trump and trade. A lot of Democrats support Medicare for All and progressive taxation. Bernie has made a name for himself by scapegoating immigrants and trade to exploit xenophobia.

https://www.latinorebels.com/2019/04/15/sandersimmigrants/

hurt poor workers in Asian countries, Mexico, etc. Warren euphemistically calls her similar policies “Economic Patriotism.”

...people looking for jobs. He's against immigration.

So who will fill those other 11 million jobs that he's going to create?

Assuming your figures are correct, these are some possibilities that popped into my head when I read your question:

1. He is not by any means opposed to all immigration, you're wrong when you say he's against immigration.

2. There may be more people open to employment than the official unemployment figures indicate.

3. If you're going to be displacing workers with some of your policies (i.e. a complete overhaul of the healthcare system), that will create people who need other jobs.

The supporters of Trump have very similar views as supporters of Bernie. Lack of diversity is another factor that is similar to both groups.

I think because most people understand that he did not really mean that he wanted NO immigrants from Vietnam, China, Mexico, or Latin America... but that he was saying that open borders could mean being overrun by immigrants from poor areas to an extent that is beyond our means to accommodate.

Especially with regard to prescription medicines.

“I don’t know that there’s any trade agreement that the senator would ever think made any sense.”

I’m ok with that.

and improved prosperity in most of the counties along the Rio Grande River. Those counties vote reliably Democratic every election at both the state and federal level (with the exception of Rep. Will Hurd who is retiring--that district will likely turn blue in 2020). A lot of people were lifted out of poverty because of NAFTA and the jobs that were created. A lot of people of people in Mexico were also lifted out of poverty which meant that they did not emigrate to the U.S.

I know that there are some people that lost jobs to NAFTA, but I also feel it is important to mention that there are two sides to every coin.

Good for US ag, good for us heavy manufacturing, good for transshipping, bad for light consumer manufacturing.

AFAIK Yang hasn't talked about it specifically, though he wants to end all carve-outs for fossils in all trade deals.

Personally, USMCA is for all intents and purposes identical to NAFTA, which was itself pretty much the best deal we could get and remains so.

Reed, and Schatz.

It's one of the many reasons I don't support Sanders. Trade is good.

Agree emphatically!

you might want to have a framework in place to administer that trade.

If it's not USMCA then it needs to be something else.

What is Bernie proposing?

Sid

...A true labor candidate should demand that all employers respect the NLRB guidelines for labor rights....

...Workers need a Future to Believe In...

...A true labor advocate accepts no excuses from upper management or CEOs for workplace environments that are hostile and inequitable.

... One should look to see that a candidate shows genuine concern for those who have suffered workplace abuse and harrasment.

...pay attention folks.. these things speak volumes.....

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