Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumWhy Bernie Sanders' Arabic Social Media Posts Matter
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A decade ago, a registered sex offender (and now former US congressman) like Anthony Weiner could get away with calling Palestinians terrorists and denying that the West Bank is even occupied with little to no political cost. Today, thanks to decades of activism by Arab-American community leaders like James Zogby, Linda Sarsour and a myriad others, Palestinian rights are becoming an integral part of progressive American politics.
The Palestine question may now seem adequately addressed by democratic candidates on the debate stage, in town halls or in symbolic gestures like #SkipAIPAC or even in threats to cut aid to Israel, but it was Sanders who first challenged the treatment of Palestinians as untouchables in American politics during the 2016 presidential race.
With endorsements from leading figures in the Arab-American community, Sanders advocacy on behalf of Arab-Americans has yet to go beyond lip service, but if these current political and demographic trends are any indication, it doesnt really matter because the Democratic Party has no choice but to evolve.
Racism is now more than just a morally abhorrent betrayal of mankind, it is also becoming politically inviable. With a declining white population, the GOP is now caught between the rock of political extinction and its rigid, colorless and racist base, because the future is melanated.
https://egyptianstreets.com/2020/01/18/why-bernie-sanders-arabic-social-media-posts-matter/
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Zolorp
(1,115 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,389 posts)What's your alternative?
The world desperately needs to unite against our common enemy; global warming climate change instead of focussing on stupid ass, petty arguments or all our children are doomed, do you want that?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)....trying to divide us?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,389 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)....Briahna Gray, Nina Turner, and David Sirota all staffers at the very TOP of the campaign, on twitter, to see how that campaign is trying to divide us.
We don't see an all-out attack from any other campaign on other Democrats like we see from them.
It's all there on twitter, I won't post them here. Give it a look.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,389 posts)Do we want to beat Trump in 2020?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)Please don't try to change the subject. Thanks.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,389 posts)any political party is above criticism.
The Republicans and Borg strongly believe in that approach.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)...you wouldn't drive this discussion totally off track with irrelevant questions.
Thanks.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,389 posts)with you what Bernie does or says, you will find a way to criticize him.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dware
(12,423 posts)but BS is not the person to do so, Biden is our best hope to demolish this madman in the WH.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,389 posts)Bernie would kick his ass and he knows it.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Ok, you just keep believing that, but when Joe Biden becomes our nominee, then I do hope you'll vote for him.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,389 posts)attacks Biden's son during the Democratic Primaries knowing it would create a partisan counter-reaction instead of waiting until the G.E. to lower any perceived boom; when politically speaking it would be most effective.
That's also why Trump throws his bullshit out about the impeachment trial being a conspiracy against Bernie during the Democratic Primaries to turn the party against him.
It's amazing to me how many people are willing to give up their power of critical thinking to knee jerk reactions against Trump' pronouncements.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)If he'd prefer to run against Biden, why did he do that and threaten his presidency?
That other stuff about the impeachment is his attempt to get the Sanders supporters riled up and attack the impeachment itself, not to push Sanders as the candidate. Don't forget, it's also a "conspiracy" against Warren, Bennett, and Klobuchar.
If you look at all the stuff trump has thrown out, 90% of it has been against Biden.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,389 posts)in control of a Republican dominated Senate!?
Now lightening may strike, McConnell may actually hold a fair hearing while enough Republicans might vote to convict him and you, I, or anyone else here might also win the Powerball lottery tomorrow but I wouldn't bet the farm on it.
Having said that, it's a matter of what Trump believes and I have no doubt he believes the Senate will acquit him and this will only fire up his base as being the "victim" in a wrongful impeachment.
I believe most any incumbent President knows that attacking an opposing candidate during their primary will most certainly create sympathy and a partisan counter-reaction, thus it becomes easy to pick your own eventual preferred opponent.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
still_one
(92,351 posts)general election, and conned and deceived enough people with those lies
Worse, when you have people like Briahna Joy Gray, who not only voted for Jill Stein in 2016, is proud of doing it, and would do it again, and continues to bash Hillary
There is only one campaign who embraces people like that, and that speaks volumes about that campaign
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Zolorp
(1,115 posts)There is no way around it. It would be the biggest electoral loss for a Democratic presidential candidate since 1984, possibly since 1972.You'll be lucky to get a third of the vote for Sanders with that crap hanging over his head.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,389 posts)Where did 15 of the nineteen hijackers from 9/11 come from, Iran?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijackers_in_the_September_11_attacks
Did Iran kill and dismember the body of Jamal Khashoggi?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Jamal_Khashoggi
Where does ISIS primarily come from, Iran?
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-countries-where-isis-finds-support-in-two-charts-2015-11-18
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Zolorp
(1,115 posts)Khashoggi was not an American citizen. That will not hit to the core of American being the way backing Iran during the Iran Hostage crisis will. We are talking about national electoral politics here, not lofty political philosophy.
I literally had to throw up after reading the story about Sanders, it hit me that bad. I had no idea the man was that un-American. The Iran Hostage crisis defines much of what it means to be American to me. It's why I joined the army at age 17.
When you strike at the core of America as a candidate for the presidency, you lose. Sanders is a guaranteed loss for us with this story.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,389 posts)UnAmerican is supporting coups against democratically elected leaders just because our mega-corporations don't support their policies.
UnAmerican is supporting autocratic regimes that fight against our nation's highest ideals while simultaneously poisoning our planet making life increasingly uninhabitable for our children and grandchildren.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Zolorp
(1,115 posts)This is national general election politics. Not a single thing you typed will sway the average American voter.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,389 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Zolorp
(1,115 posts)1980
1984
1988
2000
2004
2016
I need say no more.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,389 posts)time is not static.
The world is changing Zolorp.
White men didn't have the right to vote until 1824, 35 years after George Washington was President, African American men didn't have the right to vote until 1870, women didn't had the right to vote until 1920.
Please say more.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Zolorp
(1,115 posts)A man who sided with the Soviet Union and Iran during the hostage crisis stands precisely zero chance of winning a national general election in the United States. That is simple reality.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
The Valley Below
(1,701 posts)election (one that was held against the will of the people) a "coup."
Sander is not qualified to lead the United States of America.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,389 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
The Valley Below
(1,701 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,389 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
The Valley Below
(1,701 posts)is dictatorship.
Morales was illegitimate. Scary that you deny that, frankly.
The Bolivian people said no to a 4th term. And the 3rd was unconstitutional.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
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Readers are never provided with Sanderss argument for seeing Moraless ouster as an apparent coup, nor with information as to how ensuing events in Bolivia have validated or contradicted the senators assessment. We are only told that Morales presided over a tainted election and challenged term limits to remain in power. Among the things we are not told: (1) No one disputes that Morales won the most votes of any candidate in that tainted election, only whether his true margin was large enough to avoid a runoff, (2) in light of the audits concerns on the latter point, Morales agreed to convene new elections, (3) some well-reputed election analysts have disputed the audits premises, and (4) Moraless ouster brought a far-right, anti-indigenous faction to power that had received no democratic mandate whatsoever, and nevertheless proceeded to overstep its bounds as a caretaker government. As the Guardian reported in December:
Interim president Jeanine Áñez vowed to unify the country when she took power but packed the cabinet with members of the conservative elites and boasted that God has allowed the Bible back into the palace of a secular country. She exempted the military from criminal prosecution when maintaining public order; at least 17 indigenous protesters died after security forces opened fire. Police cut the indigenous Wiphala flag from their uniforms and anti-Morales demonstrators set fire to it. The interior minister has vowed to jail Mr Morales, in exile in Mexico, for 30 years for terrorism and sedition.
These are not the only relevant facts, of course. Morales did ignore a democratic mandate in favor of term limits, and had attracted real grassroots opposition, not only from the upper strata of Bolivian society but also pockets of its left. It is possible that Sanderss initial reaction to Moraless ouster was informed more by kneejerk sympathy for a fellow socialist than a careful appraisal of the situation. But from the few details the Post provides, a lay reader would scarcely gather that subsequent events have done far more to vindicate Sanderss description of Moraless fall than Donald Trumps. The important thing to know is that the presidents view was more in keeping with mainstream sentiment. The validity of that mainstream sentiment demands no scrutiny.
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There is little question that Maduro is a corrupt and illiberal leader. But Merriam-Webster defines dictator as one holding complete autocratic control. The fact that an opposition movement secured control of Venezuelas National Assembly and proceeded to challenge the legitimacy of Maduros claim to the presidency would seem sufficient to establish that at least for now his autocratic control of Venezuelan politics is less than complete. Benjamin Netanyahu, meanwhile, warned supporters on Election Day in 2015 that Arabs were being bused to the polling stations in droves suggesting that Arab Israelis participation in the democratic process was on its face a cause for alarm. He later has made alliance with a Jewish supremacist party so virulently anti-Arab, AIPC has denounced its views as reprehensible. And, of course, Netanyahu presides over a military occupation that denies Palestinian residents of the West Bank basic political rights by dint of their ethnic identity. Finally, Sanderss assessment of Chinas progress on poverty isnt actually heretical. Its the conventional wisdom of Davos, a cornerstone of every apology for neoliberal globalization.
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http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/01/bernie-sanders-is-running-on-a-moderate-foreign-policy.html
Now whether one wishes to side with Trump on this issue or not and despite Morales shortcomings, he was not a dictator and it was a military coup.
Aside from that, the primary point being Bernie strongly supports democratic processes to take place within each nation not have the U.S. supporting military coups just because we don't like or agree with a democratically elected leader, whether it's Bolivia, Honduras or anywhere else.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
The Valley Below
(1,701 posts)and the Iranian hostage takers?
There is "evidence" all right (mountains of it) and little of it looks good.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,389 posts)We fought the world's "greatest" war against Germany and Japan and now they're among our closest allies.
Bernie would the strongest positioned potential President to finally establish normal relations and some form of rapprochement with Iran.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
The Valley Below
(1,701 posts)Rigging elections via institutional abuses of power is a hallmark of a dictator. Morales fits the bill. Completely.
We fought the fascists over the objections of the socialist far-left (who united in opposition to America entry in WWII with the far-right under the banner of America First) while they attacked Roosevelt as a capitalist war-monger.
Isolationism was wrong then. And it is wrong now.
Bad legacy. Surprised you brought it up, frankly.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,389 posts)Would you have approved of some foreign power supporting a military coup here?
It's up to each nation to govern and deliberate its' democratic processes and military coups have never been the answer in Iran, Bolivia, Honduras or anywhere else.
Bernie believes that the U.S. should be engaged with all nations of the world to fight our common greatest enemy; global warming climate change.
Every nation; just as a matter of moral conscience should care about it's children, grandchildren and future generations.
If we maintain your shortsighted vision of fiddling while Rome burns, there will be no winners.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
The Valley Below
(1,701 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Me.
(35,454 posts)is he following his lead?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,389 posts)follow Bernie's lead because he knew the American People wanted change.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
dware
(12,423 posts)just not the change BS is advocating for.
Whether you want to believe it or not, America is a center left nation, whereas, BS is a far left socialist who is not in tune with the majority of the American voters, that's a plain and simple fact.
BS isn't even a Dem, he's just using the Dem party to further his ambitions.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
beastie boy
(9,399 posts)You may find out Trump is a true populist and has more in common with Bernie than you might like.
They are equally contemptuous of government structures and traditional institutions of the American representative democracy, and openly advocate populist-centered extra-judicious power moves to bend both to their liking.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,389 posts)appreciable populist movement to begin with if the American People were satisfied with their representation from at least one of the two major parties.
A hundred million Americans didn't even have enough faith to vote in 2016, that didn't happen in a vacuum.
About 100 million people couldnt be bothered to vote this year
Roughly 43 percent of eligible voters didn't bother filling out a ballot this year, according to turnout estimates from the U.S. Elections Project. To look at it another way, the people who could have voted but chose not to vastly outnumbered those who cast a vote for Clinton, Trump or a third-party candidate.
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Subtract all those people and you've got about 232 million people potentially eligible to cast a vote this fall. But only about 132 million of them did, give or take the one or two million votes that have yet to be officially certified. That means that 100 million people who have the legal right to vote simply decided it wasn't worth the hassle this year.
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Some of these non-voters may have been discouraged by long lines or policies designed to suppress participation among certain demographic groups, like minority voters. But the research, like a 2014 study from the Government Accountability Office, suggests these policies can at most affect turnout rates by a percentage point or two.
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It's clear, in other words, that tens of millions of Americans who could vote nevertheless decide not to. If you believe that high participation rates are a sign of a healthy democracy, this is a huge problem. As the Pew Research Center noted earlier this year, our voter turnout is among the lowest in the developed world.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/11/12/about-100-million-people-couldnt-be-bothered-to-vote-this-year/
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
beastie boy
(9,399 posts)A couple of posts back, I recall someone state: "because he knew the American People wanted change." But I don't recall who the poster was referring to, Sanders or Trump? And then, this same someone said "there would be no appreciable populist movement to begin with if the American People were satisfied with their representation from at least one of the two major parties"
Both statements apply equally to Trump and Sanders. The difference is, there are more dissatisfied voters who lined up behind Trump than there were voters behind Sanders. If you ask Trump supporters, they will tell you, matching your own righteousness and partiality, that Trump is a real deal and Bernie is a fraud.
There are many examples of populist leaders taking over governments, both on the right and on the left. Predictably, the thing they all have in common is they didn't end well. Especially not for the populist movements that brought them to power.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
The Valley Below
(1,701 posts)Populism is the antithesis of liberalism.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Me.
(35,454 posts)BS needs to be careful with his great pronouncements
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,389 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Me.
(35,454 posts)the same with this yet the only one I saw with Arabic was trump's and I bet that's true for a lot of people. And if BS said this before or posted such before this week, it has gone unnoticed and the conclusion that may be made that he is following trump.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,389 posts)the American Arabic vote to Trump?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
but there is timing and there is timing and none of them wants to look like a trump copycat
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
The Valley Below
(1,701 posts)In fact, one might argue that they are almost mutually inclusive.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
The Valley Below
(1,701 posts)Democrats have not treated Palestinians as "untouchables." Sanders is NOT the "first" to recognize the legitimate national aspirations of the Palestinian people. This is anti-Democratic agitprop of the very worst kind.
His is one of the first campaigns to scare the heck out of those who also support the legitimate national aspirations of the Israeli people by allying himself with people like Linda Sarsour, who makes her strident anti-Zionism seem like a cover for anti-Semitism.
There is a huge problem with bigotry on the far-left.
As liberal Democrats we need to see the big picture and not demonize one side or the other in a complex situation.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,389 posts)being treated as equals will garner opposition from Netanyahu's conservative, racist government along with mindless evangelicals in the U.S that are yearning for the end days and it makes no difference whether said candidate simultaneously strongly supports Israel's right to exist in peace as Bernie does.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
The Valley Below
(1,701 posts)Democrats have not treated Palestinians as "untouchables." This is agitprop.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden