… he's always been overly physical. Some of this has been on camera - but it doesn't seem sexual or predatory.

I think there is also a celebrity vibe... there is a lot of overly physical contact between celebrities and fans. I think that explains one of the Al Franken accusers - accused of touching a woman's waist. The "fan" thinks they "know" the celebrity - and the celebrity likes the attention - it's nice to be recognized or remembered, especially if you're a lesser or medium known celebrity and miss the attention. Not talking about Greta Garbo, of course...

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Then, in the late 70s, it became acceptable to do so, as we moved away from the old notions of masculinity; in less than a generation, old taboos were discarded, and physical displays of emotion and affection became common.

I saw this as a good thing at the time; nowadays, I have begun to wonder if it wasn't a mistake.

Brock Turner. etc.

I don't think Joe Biden hurts women.

reject the actions and behaviors of those men who have attempted to move past it, as it fits their agendas.

...it's probably not politically sustainable, either.

None of those instances would justify unwanted physical contact of the kind Lt. Gov. Flores described, and her complaints confirm that.

I think Joe Biden is on the right track in how his spokesman addressed the essay. But this defense of yours wouldn't fly if this had been adjudicated. If anything, it just confirms that he likes to initiate close physical contact with people around him, strangers included. It's not always going to be okay. It appears to not have been okay, probably inappropriate in this case.

This defense depersonalizes the alleged incident, and in that disassociation, fails to address the individual complaint with any sense of the potential impropriety of his actions. That may be a problem. We'll see.

I think Joe's a smart guy, he'll likely figure this out.

Flores is on the our Revolution board,..pure ratfucking.

...good luck.

Her story doesn't even Mae sense which it doesn't.

..."Your complaint is discredited because you disagree with me politically."

Maybe that will work.

while she was waiting backstage to speak, and judging by her own description of her behavior probably seemed nervous, possibly close to a panic attack.

THIS thread is just my explanation of one possibility of why Joe might so often use hugs and kisses to offer reassurance and support.

It also might be from his family background, but I'm not familiar with that.

I do know that my own experiences around hospitals and nursing homes made me aware of how important touch is and how often people who hadn't previously realized its importance will come to realize that.

I have not "depersonalized" the incident Flores described. I just looked at her description of it closely and came to the conclusion that she was apparently unaware of how nervous she would have likely seemed when she started doing deep breathing just before she was about to speak. Suddenly taking deep breaths could have meant either that she was doing so deliberately to try to cope with stage fright, or doing so as she started to hyperventilate, and in either case a quick reassurance would have seemed like a good idea.

...I hope Mr. Biden's personal response is something other than this.

That's going to be the measure of this, his personal response. I wouldn't use your defense, mainly because it wouldn't be particularly dispositive in a formal complaint, and it's likely to elicit a negative response from the individual who has already given her own perspective of the alleged incident.

doesn't back up her version.. quite the opposite..

Link to tweet

I am not supporter of Biden except in so far as he is a Democrat and very active; I think he is a people person.

There are millions of people in the world who touch, hug, and kiss people-and who have no intention of being "sexual."

There are also great numbers of people who do not like to touch or be touched and are often perceived wrongly as being cold and uncaring.

And I certainly had no reservations about him greeting me in such a manner. His greeting made me feel comfortable as I would in greeting an old friend or relative.

If he decides to definitely run, I will support him again as I believe we need someone of Joe's demeanor to lead us out of this horrible battle of the parties and get our country back on track.

Joe reminds me of that old raggedy pair of jeans that you just can't throw away. They may be covered in paint, torn and unraveling, but they feel good and fit comfortably.

because it's such a wonderful description of a politician who's also a sweet, warm, genuinely caring person:

https://upload.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=43917

Very interesting. Those descriptions of the meet/greet with Joe sound familiar and just Joe.

and yours.