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Uncle Joe

(58,423 posts)
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 01:14 AM Jan 2020

'This Is Why No One Trusts the Media':



MSNBC Slammed for Featuring 'Body Language Expert' Who Calls Sanders a Liar

MSNBC and weekend anchor Joy Ann Reid came under fire from progressives and members of the Bernie Sanders campaign Saturday after airing a segment with a "body language expert" who—citing "eye level" and the turtling of the 2020 candidate's shoulders—accused Sanders of lying earlier this week when he denied ever telling Sen. Elizabeth Warren that a woman could not be president.

"This is unhinged," tweeted Meagan Day, a staff writer for Jacobin magazine, in response to the segment. "Genuinely divorced from reality."

The guest on Reid's show "AM Joy" was Janine Driver, who promotes herself as an "international communications expert" and the owner and president of the Body Language Institute. The segment sparked howls of criticism aimed at Driver, Reid, and the network.

While both the Warren and Sanders camp have appeared desirous to put the dust-up about what was or wasn't said during a private 2018 meeting behind them, Day—who openly supports Sanders as the better and more progressive candidate—was among those unwilling to disarm so long as the corporate media outlets continue to air such blatant and irrresponsible attacks to their massive audiences.

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https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/01/18/why-no-one-trusts-media-msnbc-slammed-featuring-body-language-expert-who-calls



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'This Is Why No One Trusts the Media': (Original Post) Uncle Joe Jan 2020 OP
So should we conclude Joy Reid is anti-Sanders? YOHABLO Jan 2020 #1
About as much as Colonel Sanders is anti-chicken and as I have always said Uncle Joe Jan 2020 #2
According to Pew, House of Roberts Jan 2020 #3
That wouldn't surprise me House of Roberts Uncle Joe Jan 2020 #4
Oh, yeah. PatrickforO Jan 2020 #9
I don't put much stock in body language experts. It is very subjective. Irresponsible in news story. Midnight Writer Jan 2020 #5
Personally, I don't totally eliminate the (science if you will of body language) Uncle Joe Jan 2020 #6
well you probably should stopdiggin Jan 2020 #12
No he shouldn't. Body language is a real thing that can be interpreted. Quackers Jan 2020 #19
it is NO WHERE NEAR accurate enough to be used stopdiggin Jan 2020 #24
Lol, what? You're comparing understanding body language to pseudoscience? Quackers Jan 2020 #25
yes. people are studying it stopdiggin Jan 2020 #28
Wow, pretty sleazy. vsrazdem Jan 2020 #7
Just par for the course for Joy vsrazdem. n/t Uncle Joe Jan 2020 #8
I call segments like this grievance or emo segments. underthematrix Jan 2020 #10
Yes, its so beneficial to have a so-called body language expert call you a liar on national TV. vsrazdem Jan 2020 #11
Imagine how Warren felt...when this happened to her. Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #27
I really enjoyed AMJOY yesterday Gothmog Jan 2020 #13
What if the subject of analysis was Trump? Skidmore Jan 2020 #14
People don't trust the media... Thomas Hurt Jan 2020 #15
bwaaaaahahahahahahahahahahahahaha NYMinute Jan 2020 #16
Are you okay with this? Quixote1818 Jan 2020 #17
Bernie's self-inflicted wound NYMinute Jan 2020 #21
gee I tried to tell people about Joy Reid and was called a racist dsc Jan 2020 #18
The infotainment industry pulls this crap all the time. Zolorp Jan 2020 #20
AMJOY was truly a great show today Gothmog Jan 2020 #22
#Biden leads among black Democrats nationally #AMJoy Gothmog Jan 2020 #23
It appears from the article that it's Glenn Greenwald, a Jacobin reporter, and some Twitter people lapucelle Jan 2020 #26
despicable... myohmy2 Jan 2020 #29
I now know why Todd that's sanders so well Gothmog Jan 2020 #30
 

YOHABLO

(7,358 posts)
1. So should we conclude Joy Reid is anti-Sanders?
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 01:23 AM
Jan 2020
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Uncle Joe

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2. About as much as Colonel Sanders is anti-chicken and as I have always said
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 01:25 AM
Jan 2020

the corporate media conglomerates are the corporate media conglomerates.

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House of Roberts

(5,184 posts)
3. According to Pew,
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 01:34 AM
Jan 2020

only 6% of polling calls result in a response that can be included in a survey.

The rest is done by interpolation, and weighting. I've come to the conclusion that both polling, and story-driving on media, is designed to keep candidates spending as much money as possible, mostly on TV ads.

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Uncle Joe

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4. That wouldn't surprise me House of Roberts
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 01:36 AM
Jan 2020

it's all about the money.

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PatrickforO

(14,592 posts)
9. Oh, yeah.
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 01:53 AM
Jan 2020

This is why the media doesn't really report the truth.

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Midnight Writer

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5. I don't put much stock in body language experts. It is very subjective. Irresponsible in news story.
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 01:38 AM
Jan 2020

But the reason no one trusts the media is because Donald Trump is President. If the media were doing their job, they would have exposed this clown early and often. Instead, they saturated the airwaves with his rants and made him seem legitimate.

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Uncle Joe

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6. Personally, I don't totally eliminate the (science if you will of body language)
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 01:41 AM
Jan 2020

Having said that this was obvious bias and a corporate media lackey all too willing to use it.

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stopdiggin

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12. well you probably should
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 04:03 AM
Jan 2020

humans are good at picking up involuntary cues. It's evolutionary. Unfortunately, humans are equally evolved at lying and cover up. If you think you're getting more than 50% right .. you're probably inflating your own ability. And the truly dangerous part comes in with those individuals (bosses, managers, LE officers) that think they're right all the time. (and have the "evidence" to back up their preconceptions)

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Quackers

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19. No he shouldn't. Body language is a real thing that can be interpreted.
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 01:10 PM
Jan 2020

I’m not saying that’s the case with this woman, but in general, it is a real thing and it is used in the intelligence community. Hell, we’ve even seen it shared here while reading trumps body language.

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stopdiggin

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24. it is NO WHERE NEAR accurate enough to be used
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 04:46 PM
Jan 2020

in critical fields like intelligence and law enforcement. (again, people "sell" themselves on their ability and accuracy) And the damage done there can be somewhat "mitigated" by the fact that these areas often require evidence to back up the "hunches" that it's practitioners form. But make no mistake, the readings that these people make are in fact guesses or hunches. I know people who also make claims for the ability to interpret dreams -- and happily call it a "science." IT ISN'T.

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Quackers

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25. Lol, what? You're comparing understanding body language to pseudoscience?
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 05:06 PM
Jan 2020

Here’s a few links about it too.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/basics/body-language

https://www.businessinsider.com/how-to-read-body-language-2017-5

https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=92000147


In addition, machine learning(AI) is able to read body language in real time. Check this out.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/insights-intelai/2019/02/11/ai-that-understands-your-body-language/#1b9414f84055

Just recently, CNN did an article on how some companies are using AI to conduct interviews based on, guess what, body language. Here.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/15/tech/ai-job-interview/index.html

But go ahead and continue comparing it to interpreting dreams if you like. It is a real thing and it is used in the intelligence community, and even computers are learning how to master it.

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stopdiggin

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28. yes. people are studying it
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 05:37 PM
Jan 2020

(and some reputable people at that -- my analogy to dream interpretation was probably ill chosen. a spur of the moment thought.)
But those same people (at least the reputable ones) are saying that it's no where NEAR any kind of solid or predictable accuracy. And given that I'll stick with my characterization of a good guess or a hunch. False positives are still WAY to high for any type of critical screening or decision making. And most of them (even it's strongest proponents) are VERY uncomfortable with it's use in LE (much less a court of law) for exactly these limitations.

And finally -- the idea that ANYONE thinks this is a good area for AI learning ..... WOW!
(knowing what we do about AI learning -- do YOU think this is good science?)

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Uncle Joe

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8. Just par for the course for Joy vsrazdem. n/t
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 01:49 AM
Jan 2020
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underthematrix

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10. I call segments like this grievance or emo segments.
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 02:25 AM
Jan 2020

They are designed to generate strong feelings in the viewer. I'm a cognitive viewer so this type of nonsense is boring to me. But in an interesting way, it actually benefits Sanders because no one is talking about his health, which should be of concern.

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vsrazdem

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11. Yes, its so beneficial to have a so-called body language expert call you a liar on national TV.
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 03:37 AM
Jan 2020
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Demsrule86

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27. Imagine how Warren felt...when this happened to her.
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 05:29 PM
Jan 2020
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Gothmog

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13. I really enjoyed AMJOY yesterday
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 08:53 AM
Jan 2020

This was a great segment.

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Skidmore

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14. What if the subject of analysis was Trump?
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 09:01 AM
Jan 2020

Body language analysis is a real thing. It is used by attorneys, mental health practitioners, and many other professions. Just because the expert didn't say something supportive of your agenda doesn't make the analysis wrong.

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Thomas Hurt

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15. People don't trust the media...
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 09:17 AM
Jan 2020

Because they say and write things that offend. Veracity is beside the point. People don't want their world view and beliefs challenged.

The christofascists are particularly susceptible to this being magical thinkers and lacking critical thinking skills.

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NYMinute

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16. bwaaaaahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 09:17 AM
Jan 2020

Such anguish and uproar in Bernieland

People just believe Sen. Warren more because she has never played dirty.

Handle it with maturity and not prolong the news cycle - let it blow over.

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Quixote1818

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17. Are you okay with this?
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 12:51 PM
Jan 2020

I actually think this is pretty disingenuous of Joy Reed regardless of who you like.

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NYMinute

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21. Bernie's self-inflicted wound
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 01:24 PM
Jan 2020

He has no one else but himself to blame

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dsc

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18. gee I tried to tell people about Joy Reid and was called a racist
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 01:03 PM
Jan 2020

This is what happens when you allow lying frauds air time.

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Zolorp

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20. The infotainment industry pulls this crap all the time.
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 01:12 PM
Jan 2020

It's all BS whether it confirms our biases of goes against our beliefs.

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Gothmog

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22. AMJOY was truly a great show today
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 01:52 PM
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Gothmog

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23. #Biden leads among black Democrats nationally #AMJoy
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 02:33 PM
Jan 2020
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lapucelle

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26. It appears from the article that it's Glenn Greenwald, a Jacobin reporter, and some Twitter people
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 05:21 PM
Jan 2020

who don't trust the media. So two people in the media and some twitterers (including one cited who is also in the media) don't trust the media.

That's doesn't justify the use of "no one", unless of course Common Dream means "no one in our bias confirmation cohort".


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myohmy2

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29. despicable...
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 01:25 AM
Jan 2020

...they're getting worried...

...they must see a President Sanders in their future...

...

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Gothmog

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30. I now know why Todd that's sanders so well
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 02:08 AM
Jan 2020
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