As do their followers.

I have doubts those politicians will do anything but continue to double down.

Sanders should not get away with his past.

A phenomenally terrible past mired in NRA positions on gun-control and pro-Russia votes.

And I’ve seen no data supporting a causal relationship between the PLCAA and gun deaths.

Gun homicide rates aren’t that much different than they were in 2005 and still much lower than they were in the 1990s.

So Fred,

Sure!!

position before running for President. Senator Sanders has been strongly pro gun, until it became obvious that is a bad place for a Democratic Party candidate. So, if Senator Warren changed out of opportunism, what do you call Senator Sanders' change of pace?

We was just more nuanced on an issue where most people demand extreme polarized positions.

In all honestly I don’t like that he supports a so called assault weapons ban when it wouldn’t do much to stop or reduce any killing.

And I don’t know how to answer your question . It might be better to pose it to the person who criticized Bernie.

Link to tweet

They're meeting each other at the point of crazed, wild eyed true believer.

he wants.

nothing change but the weapon. Would 17 people have died and an armed police officer hesitate on facing the assailant?

point the finger everywhere but where it belongs.

should be viewed with reverence.

Down two is way better than the others.

In 1998 Sanders voted in favor of the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998, which said: "It should be the policy of the United States to support efforts to remove the regime headed by Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq and to promote the emergence of a democratic government to replace that regime."

Later that same year, Sanders also backed a resolution that stated: "Congress reaffirms that it should be the policy of the United States to support efforts to remove the regime headed by Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq and to promote the emergence of a democratic government to replace that regime."

Sanders also voted for the 2001 Authorization Unilateral Military Force Against Terrorists (AUMF), which pretty much allowed Bush to wage war wherever he wanted.

Voted against the Brady Bill five times.

Opposed legislation that would've maintained or created over 300,000 small business jobs through loans
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/1993/roll188.xml

Opposed attempts to prevent GOP cuts for benefits for legal immigrants, Medicaid, the disabled, and children safety nets http://clerk.house.gov/evs/1996/roll329.xml

Opposed Democratic attempts to increase funding for legal immigrants and child care http://clerk.house.gov/evs/1996/roll329.xml

Opposed federal funding to help the homeless http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2003/roll032.xml

Opposed increased funding for nutritional programs for women infants and children http://clerk.house.gov/evs/1995/roll708.xml

Opposed funding for assisting prospective homeowners with AIDS http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2003/roll032.xml

Opposed allowing breastfeeding on federal grounds http://clerk.house.gov/evs/1999/roll426.xml

Opposed legiation requiring federal agencies to create and enforce anti-sex discrimination policies http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2003/roll032.xml

Opposed legislation banning imports from forced child labor http://clerk.house.gov/evs/1997/roll474.xml

Opposed funding going towards investigations of unfair trade practices http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2003/roll032.xml

Opposed increased education funding http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2003/roll032.xml

Opposed increases funding for poor students http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2003/roll032.xml

Opposed legislation increasing financial aid http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2003/roll032.xml

Supported gutting oversight for agricultural marketing practices http://clerk.house.gov/evs/1995/roll550.xml

Opposed increased food safety and inspection http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2003/roll032.xml


Then there is the Sierra Blanca nuclear waste dump....

take one item from a long, complicated bill and
use it to say that "my opponent voted against god and motherhood". Ignore everything else that was in the bill and/or the fact that said opponent voted for a competing bill that addressed the issue in a different, and perhaps better, way.

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Because there are many examples of Sanders doing such.

I'm also not a politician, and if you need to misrepresent my list of these problematic votes as accusing Sanders of "voting against god and motherhood" to make your point, then perhaps your point needs re-examining.

You evaded explaining how even one the votes against the Democratic Party position were "complicated" with your broad dismissal of them all as "being complicated," and me using "an old and dishonest tactic" used by "both parties" that Senator Sanders is not a member of.

Would those be the Green Party and the GOP?

The list of of votes I presented against the Democratic Party position on them is quite long, and very seldom discussed, so that must have been quite unsettling.

But how about demonstrating how "dishonest" the "tactic" I'm using is by explaining the "complexity" behind just one of those votes?

I would appreciate an explanation of the "complexity" of Sanders ushering the legislation establishing the Sierra Blanca nuclear waste dump in a primarily low income Hispanic area of Texas. The link has details. Particularly in light of he and Jane still benefitting from it financially 16 years later.

When Paul Wellstone called that legislation "environmental racism" what reason did he have?

He wasn't running against Sanders in an election, and he was a Minnesota Senator, not a Texas Senator.



BTW - Sanders voted to oppose that amendment that Wellstone sought to add.

I thank you in advance for your response.

be less open about his beliefs. I see no indication that he's ever changed his ideology, only changed some of his behaviors with society over time as we all do.

The devastating failures of all national collectivist experiments have seemingly never caused him to examine the flaws in his beliefs or to count their dreadful costs to those peoples. Instead, to Sanders, the U.S. is the obvious model for what's wrong with government and explanation for why socialist revolutions must continue until they finally succeed.

You nailed it, Hortensis. On an Olympic scale? That's a 10!