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RandySF

(58,897 posts) Sat Mar 30, 2019, 02:07 PM Mar 2019

Clinton aide responds to Buttigieg criticism of how she ran her campaign

An aide to Hillary Clinton on Saturday slammed comments made in January by South Bend, Ind., Mayor Pete Buttigieg that were critical of how Clinton ran her 2016 presidential campaign.

"This is indefensible," Clinton spokesman Nick Merrill wrote on Twitter Saturday. "@HillaryClinton ran on a belief in this country & the most progressive platform in modern political history. Trump ran on pessimism, racism, false promises, & vitriol. Interpret that how you want, but there are 66,000,000 people who disagree. Good luck."

Buttigieg knocked Clinton in an interview with The Washington Post Magazine that was published Jan. 14.

“Donald Trump got elected because, in his twisted way, he pointed out the huge troubles in our economy and our democracy,” he told the outlet in the interview. “At least he didn’t go around saying that America was already great, like Hillary did.”

The article, titled "Could Pete Buttigieg Become the First Millennial President?" was published a little more than a week before the Indiana mayor announced he was forming an exploratory committee to run for president.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/436577-clinton-aide-responds-to-buttigieg-criticism-of-how-she-ran-her-campaign

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Clinton aide responds to Buttigieg criticism of how she ran her campaign (Original Post) RandySF Mar 2019 OP

Buttigieg's first gaffe Mario Luigi Mar 2019 #1

New face of Plausible Deniability? delisen Mar 2019 #4

Cause bashing Hillary has become a team sport now. MoonRiver Mar 2019 #6

Whatever it is, it's not a gaffe, it's deliberate. marylandblue Mar 2019 #14

Indeed Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Mar 2019 #15

Ugh! That sealed the deal for me...... Little Star Mar 2019 #2

hmmmm. I think this is the second time. That pretty much is it for me too. Also, I don't think still_one Mar 2019 #3

Exactly. Running Hillary down while misrepresenting R B Garr Mar 2019 #17

But, it's always such a "winner" running Cha Mar 2019 #19

The data guy messed up dalton99a Mar 2019 #5

Not at all RandySF Mar 2019 #7

Not puzzled at all, we really understand it. Merlot Mar 2019 #11

Wow.. PB doesn't know much about Cha Mar 2019 #20

Yes, it is indefensible. Buttigieg is now off my list, along with Sanders, Gabbard and lunamagica Mar 2019 #8

Strange.. those are all on Cha Mar 2019 #21

Uncheck. democratisphere Mar 2019 #9

This is a recognition that Hillary did run on continuing and improving what Obama did karynnj Mar 2019 #10

Here's to 2016. again. yay. thanks Pete. Merlot Mar 2019 #12

From another Clinton staffer Gothmog Mar 2019 #13

and Comey JI7 Mar 2019 #16

hillary didnt get the 90K votes where it mattered so a 3 mil vote surplus is irrelevant nt msongs Mar 2019 #18

Republicans refuse to legislate, create dysfunction and gridlock, then run against the government. betsuni Mar 2019 #22

Mario Luigi

(23 posts)

1. Buttigieg's first gaffe

Reply to RandySF (Original post)

Sat Mar 30, 2019, 02:16 PM

Mar 2019

I think he is a good man and his advisers have probably told him that the target is Trump and not our 2016 nominee.

He will rebound.

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primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

delisen

(6,044 posts)

4. New face of Plausible Deniability?

Reply to Mario Luigi (Reply #1)

Sat Mar 30, 2019, 02:28 PM

Mar 2019

Makes him sound like Chris Christie or Cohen's description of how Trump gets the hired help to shoulder the blame.

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MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)

6. Cause bashing Hillary has become a team sport now.

Reply to Mario Luigi (Reply #1)

Sat Mar 30, 2019, 02:30 PM

Mar 2019

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marylandblue

(12,344 posts)

14. Whatever it is, it's not a gaffe, it's deliberate.

Reply to Mario Luigi (Reply #1)

Sat Mar 30, 2019, 03:56 PM

Mar 2019

He is saying what he really thinks, and what he thinks the voters need to hear. He is making a break with the past. The voters will decide if they want to go this direction. But if he backs down, he looks weak and confused, then nobody will follow him.

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primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(108,023 posts)

15. Indeed

Reply to Mario Luigi (Reply #1)

Sat Mar 30, 2019, 07:16 PM

Mar 2019

Why is he looking backwards?

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Little Star

(17,055 posts)

2. Ugh! That sealed the deal for me......

Reply to RandySF (Original post)

Sat Mar 30, 2019, 02:17 PM

Mar 2019

any one dissing Hillary like this is on my shit list. So Butti geig can Butti out as far as I'm concerned.

With democratic friends like Buttigieg who needs enemies.

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still_one

(92,217 posts)

3. hmmmm. I think this is the second time. That pretty much is it for me too. Also, I don't think

Reply to Little Star (Reply #2)

Sat Mar 30, 2019, 02:23 PM

Mar 2019

invoking 2016 is very productive to anybody

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R B Garr

(16,954 posts)

17. Exactly. Running Hillary down while misrepresenting

Reply to Little Star (Reply #2)

Sat Mar 30, 2019, 07:24 PM

Mar 2019

and bolstering Trump is out-of-touch and counter productive.

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Cha

(297,285 posts)

19. But, it's always such a "winner" running

Reply to R B Garr (Reply #17)

Sat Mar 30, 2019, 09:31 PM

Mar 2019

Hillary down!

Link to tweet

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dalton99a

(81,515 posts)

5. The data guy messed up

Reply to RandySF (Original post)

Sat Mar 30, 2019, 02:28 PM

Mar 2019

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/03/29/coastal-state-with-million-trump-voters-pete-buttigieg-says-coastal-states-dont-know-trump-voters/

In a coastal state with 4.5 million Trump voters, Pete Buttigieg says coastal states don’t know Trump voters
By Philip Bump
March 29 at 1:17 PM

“The other thing I’ve noticed, though, is there are some folks I encounter here who seem to have trouble believing that things like Trump voters actually exist,” Buttigieg said. “And so I feel sometimes like I’m an emissary from the middle of the country just pointing out that things look a little bit different in rural communities, industrial communities like mine and that we really need to find ways to knit this picture back together into one America.”

“I think people are just puzzled by why people where I’m from make the political choices sometimes that they do,” he said.

... Again, Buttigieg’s point was that the general stereotype of Trump voters — rural, blue-collar, white — might have seemed foreign to San Franciscans. But the issue is that the stereotype is often wrong. There are hundreds of thousands of people on the coasts who may have voted for Trump for very different reasons than people in Buttigieg’s home state of Indiana.

If Buttigieg really wants to understand Trump voters, incidentally, he was in the right place. For every Trump voter in Indiana, there were three in California.

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RandySF

(58,897 posts)

7. Not at all

Reply to dalton99a (Reply #5)

Sat Mar 30, 2019, 02:36 PM

Mar 2019

I couldn't pssibly have Trump-loving relatives-by-marriage who share conspiracy theories and other phony stories every time I return to Michigan My cousin DIDN'T marry an asshole who told me he wishes California sinks into the ocean.

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Merlot

(9,696 posts)

11. Not puzzled at all, we really understand it.

Reply to dalton99a (Reply #5)

Sat Mar 30, 2019, 03:40 PM

Mar 2019

“I think people are just puzzled by why people where I’m from make the political choices sometimes that they do,” he said.

We see all to well what's happening, how people are getting their information. We hear the dog whistles. It's not puzzling, it's actually sad.

Saying someone is "puzzled" is like saying "she (usually it's a she) just doesn't get it" - it's condecending.

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primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

Cha

(297,285 posts)

20. Wow.. PB doesn't know much about

Reply to dalton99a (Reply #5)

Sat Mar 30, 2019, 09:33 PM

Mar 2019

that.

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primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

lunamagica

(9,967 posts)

8. Yes, it is indefensible. Buttigieg is now off my list, along with Sanders, Gabbard and

Reply to RandySF (Original post)

Sat Mar 30, 2019, 02:37 PM

Mar 2019

Gillibrand.

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primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

Cha

(297,285 posts)

21. Strange.. those are all on

Reply to lunamagica (Reply #8)

Sat Mar 30, 2019, 09:35 PM

Mar 2019

my **** list.

Link to tweet

Luna

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democratisphere

(17,235 posts)

9. Uncheck.

Reply to RandySF (Original post)

Sat Mar 30, 2019, 03:04 PM

Mar 2019

HRC ran a very successful campaign that netted her 4 million more popular votes than drumpf. To be dissing her is a total outrage.

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primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

karynnj

(59,504 posts)

10. This is a recognition that Hillary did run on continuing and improving what Obama did

Reply to RandySF (Original post)

Sat Mar 30, 2019, 03:09 PM

Mar 2019

In 2016, there were a large group of people who felt they never recovered from the impact of the market crash of 2008. That crash was partly due to BAD policy of the Bush administration. Obama and the Democratic Congress did everything they could to keep the economy going off the cliff, with the Republican party doing everything it could to make that more difficult to achieve. (An interesting comparison is that in 2008, when the first steps needed to be done, the Bush administration had MORE cooperation from the Democrats than their own House members on the early TARP votes.)

Mayor Pete is correct that many people hurt by the economy in the rust belt were picked up by Trump because he said he would bring jobs back and help them. (which he has not come close to doing.) Hillary Clinton had a tougher argument to make - that the Obama administration did a tremendous job on the economy, but there were still things that needed to be done. There were many many issues for which Hillary had detailed plans -- including rebuilding our infrastructure.

However, Trump dishonestly lied that Obama had destroyed the economy and he harangued against TPP and other trade deals arguing that they took those rust belt jobs. Unfortunately, there were people who were willing to buy what Trump was saying.

I also think that it would have been better to have OTHER Democrats call out Trump and have Clinton, as she did in the 2008 primaries, stay above things concentrating on making her own case.

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primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Merlot

(9,696 posts)

12. Here's to 2016. again. yay. thanks Pete.

Reply to RandySF (Original post)

Sat Mar 30, 2019, 03:41 PM

Mar 2019

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primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

Gothmog

(145,293 posts)

13. From another Clinton staffer

Reply to RandySF (Original post)

Sat Mar 30, 2019, 03:45 PM

Mar 2019

Link to tweet

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JI7

(89,251 posts)

16. and Comey

Reply to RandySF (Original post)

Sat Mar 30, 2019, 07:19 PM

Mar 2019

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primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

msongs

(67,413 posts)

18. hillary didnt get the 90K votes where it mattered so a 3 mil vote surplus is irrelevant nt

Reply to RandySF (Original post)

Sat Mar 30, 2019, 09:23 PM

Mar 2019

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primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

betsuni

(25,537 posts)

22. Republicans refuse to legislate, create dysfunction and gridlock, then run against the government.

Reply to RandySF (Original post)

Sat Mar 30, 2019, 11:30 PM

Mar 2019

It's a permanent campaign, a permanent war. The scam of making Americans think "both sides" depends on everything being terrible. The country and its institutions would be fine if Democrats had full control and actually pass legislation.

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primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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