Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumAsked if being a woman affects her chances of winning, Sanders says "nobody is perfect"
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Misyrlena Egkolfopoulou
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Sanders re: Warren on @nhpr (via @EmmaKinery)
Q: But does the fact that she's a woman affect her chances of winning?
The answers yes but I think everybody has their own sets of problems. Im 78 years old. Voters have to look at the totality of a candidate...Nobody is perfect"
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primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
W_HAMILTON
(7,873 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mcar
(42,375 posts)The answers yes but I think everybody has their own sets of problems. Im 78 years old.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Beartracks
(12,821 posts)... something like, "Being a woman makes it harder to earn a living." It doesn't mean you think being a woman is a problem; rather, that there's a systemic problem that penalizes being a woman.
Granted, Hillary won the vote in 2016, cracking that glass ceiling in terms of electoral politics, so maybe the anchor dragging on a woman's presidential chances is now much smaller than it used to be. But I think Bernie is just acknowledging that in politics it seems that a woman has to be twice as smart and work twice as hard as a man -- same as in the workplace.
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primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
W_HAMILTON
(7,873 posts)Being a woman isn't the problem -- the problem is with the misogynistic and sexist types that view being a woman as a problem.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hav
(5,969 posts)Poor Warren, she really needs to work on her problems, mainly being female. Oh well, she can't be perfect, no one is.
He goes on to say that Pete's problem set includes being young and being gay. Come on, Pete.
I know he didn't mean it like that but in Biden's case that would be one of those gaffes.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mcar
(42,375 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,689 posts)helps him of course.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TCJ70
(4,387 posts)...but hes definitely not saying being a woman is a problem. He did say it was problematic in the context of women having a different experience or a harder time when running. Whos going to argue with that?
This Twitter-drama is trying too hard.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hav
(5,969 posts)It's still strange that Bernie talks about this in the context of problems of the candidates. As in Warren's set of problems contains being female. Mentioning Pete being gay in the same sentence that expresses that everybody has his set of problems which makes it sound like a personal negative trait.
I think regarding his words as a clumsy way to say what you explained is the most beneficial interpretation of these comments.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,685 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TCJ70
(4,387 posts)And he says:
There isnt anything wrong with that.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mcar
(42,375 posts)not problems. Bernie said that word. He also said "nobody's perfect" in reference to Warren's gender and Pete's being gay. Do you think being female or gay is an imperfection?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Bummfuzzle
(154 posts)That is what stuck out for me.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
TCJ70
(4,387 posts)A different experience is different from just asking about experience. And its not controversial to say (as Sanders is here) some people out there might have a problem with a gay candidate, an old candidate, or a woman candidate. Thats going to be true for some people. Is anyone really denying that?
What hes definitely not saying here is that he thinks its an imperfection.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Bummfuzzle
(154 posts)casually stating no one was perfect. Why didn't he feel it was an important enough question to give a concise, reasoned, thought out reply? Can you even consider Obama giving such a flip answer about a woman running as not being perfect?
Of course not.
Why is person running in our Democratic primary allowed to be so cavalier with such a big question?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
TCJ70
(4,387 posts)...given in the OP? Its the entire second page.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,123 posts)Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
iamthebandfanman
(8,127 posts)being a non-white male doesnt make it harder ?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(297,685 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hav
(5,969 posts)that being female or being gay are aspects that make people think "Nobody's perfect, there are no perfect candidates".
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Grokenstein
(5,727 posts)to a horrifying atrocity in American history of which many people--including myself--were completely unaware:
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Read the responses.
Note the common factor among the uglies accusing her of "pandering."
They're just doing exactly what they were doing to another candidate four years ago.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mcar
(42,375 posts)HBO's "The Watchmen." Horrific.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sheshe2
(83,916 posts)It is her states dark history that she points out. I am appalled that anyone would call it pandering.
Thank you Elizabeth.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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mcar
(42,375 posts)I read it in the transcript and posted same.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)NT
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
mcar
(42,375 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,689 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mcar
(42,375 posts)A classy move. Thanks.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SunSeeker
(51,709 posts)I believe Warren.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sheshe2
(83,916 posts)I have the utmost respect for Warren.
She Persisted.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mcar
(42,375 posts)Link to tweet
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Let me help Bernie out from a quote from 2008. John Edwards, asked in 2008 whether Obama being black or Hillary being a woman was a problem, said:
If you don't want to vote for Barack because of his race or for Hillary because of her gender, I DON'T WANT YOUR VOTE.
See? Easy.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TexasTowelie
(112,438 posts)Correct answer.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mcar
(42,375 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TexasBushwhacker
(20,215 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mcar
(42,375 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,685 posts)"nobody's perfect" and "I'm 78".. what does that even mean?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mcar
(42,375 posts)Really.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
question everything
(47,535 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
questionseverything
(9,660 posts)did her being female probably cost her a couple points?
probably
anyone that denies that is not being truthful
will Bernie being jewish probably cost him a couple points
probably
if pete is the nom will his being gay cost a couple of points
probably
if biden is the nom will his age cost a
few points?
probably
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)Take your time...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
questionseverything
(9,660 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mcar
(42,375 posts)But then, nobody's perfect.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,685 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
highplainsdem
(49,041 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hav
(5,969 posts)For instance, in the more recent transcript Bernie didn't say anything about Pete being gay while that was part of the first transcript. That's what confused me while comparing the two sets of transcripts.
It's still not a great way to express his thoughts by combining being female with bringing negatives.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Me.
(35,454 posts)on the other hand, truth will out
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NYMinute
(3,256 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
madville
(7,412 posts)People have been partly attributing Clintons loss to misogyny/sexism for the last three years, so being a woman has been a handicap in presidential politics.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mcar
(42,375 posts)But hey, nobody's perfect.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NYMinute
(3,256 posts)while losing three small states by a paltry 72,000 votes right?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
And many will tell you she should have swept all those states and won by millions of more votes if it werent for misogyny and sexism among the electorate.
Are you suggesting misogyny and sexism were not a contributing factors in Clintons lose?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NYMinute
(3,256 posts)We all know who is responsible for her losses there and how some supposed Democrats promoted Jill Stein in the General Election.
I think America, especially blue America has come a long way and a competent woman of Hillary's, Nancy Pelosi's or Sen Warren's stature can win the GE. The misogyny and sexism exist to a large extent in red states that we couldn't possibly carry anyway.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,437 posts)He hasn't bothered to do so since his last presidential campaign or, from what I can see, throughout his career. Gross.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
mcar
(42,375 posts)Most politicians learn and, dare I say, evolve? This particular pol does not.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
My Pet Orangutan
(9,311 posts)The fact Warren is a woman, Bernie is 78, affects their chances of winning. Both are problems- obstacles to winning.
What Sanders was taking about - given the question he was asked- is crystal clear.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
mcar
(42,375 posts)Really?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dawg day
(7,947 posts)But one of these candidates is eventually going to face TRUMP. Can they just stop giving Trump ammunition against them?
The media's culpable too, trying to elevate an unshaken hand to the level of Trump's minion stalking a US ambassador and Trump selling out an ally to Putin.
It just would be great if we could focus on the important stuff that will WIN:
1) I'm not Trump
2) We will save and improve your health care system.
3) We will return to protecting the environment and improving our water and air.
4) We believe climate change exists and we need to join the global effort to mediate it.
5) We will focus on educating American children and helping college students afford college.
5) We will focus on policies that improve American lives.
Etc.
We're so right on the issues. But arguing in between the cracks and hating on other Dems isn't productive. Focus on what is held in common, not the differences.
Then again, it's easy to say that when I'm not committed to any one candidate. I just want the one that emerges in the general election not to be hampered by primary season antagonisms.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
cwydro
(51,308 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden