Democratic Primaries

highplainsdem

(49,012 posts) Mon Jan 20, 2020, 12:19 AM Jan 2020

The Times' endorsement criticizes Sanders & Biden for age, but not 70somethings Warren & Bloomberg

More than a little hypocrisy there...

But then, what would you expect when the paper couldn't decide on a single candidate for their endorsement, and turned the endorsement into a silly reality show starring the NYT staff that's been widely mocked on Twitter?

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/01/19/opinion/amy-klobuchar-elizabeth-warren-nytimes-endorsement.html

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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The Times' endorsement criticizes Sanders & Biden for age, but not 70somethings Warren & Bloomberg (Original Post) highplainsdem Jan 2020 OP

It's realistic. At their age, 7-8 years makes a big difference, and she is in great shape. pnwmom Jan 2020 #1

Biden's in great shape for his age. And as I've pointed out here before, women Warren's age highplainsdem Jan 2020 #3

Her agile, analytical, quick-wittedness is demonstrated every day. pnwmom Jan 2020 #8

Biden is clearly showing signs of cognitive decline since leaving office Fiendish Thingy Jan 2020 #33

No, he isn't. But keep making desperate arguments. highplainsdem Jan 2020 #34

I never heard THAT one before! Where did you get that? CTyankee Jan 2020 #36

Since my mother developed Alzheimer's, and I'm a woman, I've read a lot about this. highplainsdem Jan 2020 #39

Now, that's a good assessment. I'm sure her team has a similar answer to that question when CTyankee Jan 2020 #40

I've read (quickly) the opinion and think there are a lot of good points in it. spooky3 Jan 2020 #2

Bloomberg wasn't interviewed. So he wasn't an actor in this ridiculous, 'Political Survivor" episode wiley Jan 2020 #9

You're talking about the show, which I didn't see. I am spooky3 Jan 2020 #16

+++ still_one Jan 2020 #19

actually a 70 year old women dsc Jan 2020 #4

Like I've said before, Mandela was 77 when he became president of S. Africa. sinkingfeeling Jan 2020 #5

+1,000,000 highplainsdem Jan 2020 #6

He was one-of-a-kind. None of our candidates are comparable including the oldest two. n/t pnwmom Jan 2020 #10

Maybe Liz is one of a kind too. I, for one, consider her to be so. CTyankee Jan 2020 #37

Makes good sense to me. delisen Jan 2020 #7

I know it's unrealistic, grumpyduck Jan 2020 #11

Np one cares evertonfc Jan 2020 #12

KR NYMinute Jan 2020 #13

Go Joe! Scurrilous Jan 2020 #14

That is Awesome! It's so cool how Biden just zeros in on Cha Jan 2020 #21

... Scurrilous Jan 2020 #23

... Cha Jan 2020 #25

Should have squirecam Jan 2020 #15

Elizabeth looks fantastic for her age..Bernie/Biden not so much..nt helpisontheway Jan 2020 #17

Biden also looks fantastic for his age. highplainsdem Jan 2020 #20

I don't think that's true.. Biden looks Great Cha Jan 2020 #22

biden looks younger than 77 and bernie is as sharp as ever. jg10003 Jan 2020 #24

No, he looks his age. And Bernie sticks to the same script as ever, pnwmom Jan 2020 #28

I call it focused jg10003 Jan 2020 #29

Yes, it does require far less effort keeping up with new data...very different from "focus." ehrnst Jan 2020 #31

NYT: enabling lies and wars since 2001. Hassler Jan 2020 #18

Hah. So that's why they endorsed Warren and Klobuchar! pnwmom Jan 2020 #27

Yeah, those pulitzer prizes are so overrated.... ehrnst Jan 2020 #32

Where do you get your news? (Honest curiosity.) nt LAS14 Jan 2020 #42

NYT nails sander perfectly Gothmog Jan 2020 #26

These NYT comments on Warren are brutal Gothmog Jan 2020 #30

I've had this weird feeling all morning that the NYT invaded my brain. LAS14 Jan 2020 #35

Oh, me too LAS14! I'm old and I want so much to see a woman president of this country! CTyankee Jan 2020 #38

NYT is why the "Iraq has WMD's and Uranium One stories had legs booley Jan 2020 #41

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)

1. It's realistic. At their age, 7-8 years makes a big difference, and she is in great shape.

Reply to highplainsdem (Original post)

Mon Jan 20, 2020, 12:22 AM

Jan 2020

She would be finishing her second term at the same age that Sanders would be beginning his first.

Bloomberg's not even in the running.

From your link:

The history of the editorial board would suggest that we would side squarely with the candidate with a more traditional approach to pushing the nation forward, within the realities of a constitutional framework and a multiparty country. But the events of the past few years have shaken the confidence of even the most committed institutionalists. We are not veering away from the values we espouse, but we are rattled by the weakness of the institutions that we trusted to undergird those values.

There are legitimate questions about whether our democratic system is fundamentally broken. Our elections are getting less free and fair, Congress and the courts are increasingly partisan, foreign nations are flooding society with misinformation, a deluge of money flows through our politics. And the economic mobility that made the American dream possible is vanishing.

Both the radical and the realist models warrant serious consideration. If there were ever a time to be open to new ideas, it is now. If there were ever a time to seek stability, now is it.

That’s why we’re endorsing the most effective advocates for each approach. They are Elizabeth Warren and Amy Klobuchar.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

highplainsdem

(49,012 posts)

3. Biden's in great shape for his age. And as I've pointed out here before, women Warren's age

Reply to pnwmom (Reply #1)

Mon Jan 20, 2020, 12:25 AM

Jan 2020

have a greater chance of developing dementia than men the same age, and that's usually the main concern mentioned by people harping on age.

It's sheer hypocrisy.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)

8. Her agile, analytical, quick-wittedness is demonstrated every day.

Reply to highplainsdem (Reply #3)

Mon Jan 20, 2020, 12:28 AM

Jan 2020

Biden does not have her brain power -- he may never have had it. And Bernie has been repeating the same script for decades.

And Warren would be ending her second term at the same time Bernie would be just starting his.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Fiendish Thingy

(15,644 posts)

33. Biden is clearly showing signs of cognitive decline since leaving office

Reply to highplainsdem (Reply #3)

Mon Jan 20, 2020, 09:42 AM

Jan 2020

He has trouble, unrelated to his speech impediment, of completing thoughts and staying on topic. It’s noticeable and observable if you’re willing to compare videos of when he was VP and now.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

highplainsdem

(49,012 posts)

34. No, he isn't. But keep making desperate arguments.

Reply to Fiendish Thingy (Reply #33)

Mon Jan 20, 2020, 09:54 AM

Jan 2020

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)

36. I never heard THAT one before! Where did you get that?

Reply to highplainsdem (Reply #3)

Mon Jan 20, 2020, 12:20 PM

Jan 2020

It is such a far out thing to cite when you have no back up data to show us that in THIS case, with THIS particular woman candidate, such a thing has a likelihood of happening.

Please cite your data as it applies to this particular candidate. I am NOT amused.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

highplainsdem

(49,012 posts)

39. Since my mother developed Alzheimer's, and I'm a woman, I've read a lot about this.

Reply to CTyankee (Reply #36)

Mon Jan 20, 2020, 12:31 PM

Jan 2020

And although as a woman I am NOT happy about this, women are at greater risk:

https://www.alzheimers.net/8-12-15-why-is-alzheimers-more-likely-in-women/

https://www.statnews.com/2019/07/16/new-clues-women-alzheimers-risk-differs-from-men/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6390276/

But one of the main things I learned is that individual factors, especially health habits, mitigate the risk of Alzheimer's.

Both Biden and Warren maintain good health habits, obviously.

Both are well-educated and very interested in life.

Both have great social support.

All of those factors put them at minimal risk for Alzheimer's.

And the same is true for Sanders and Bloomberg.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)

40. Now, that's a good assessment. I'm sure her team has a similar answer to that question when

Reply to highplainsdem (Reply #39)

Mon Jan 20, 2020, 02:49 PM

Jan 2020

(if) it comes up. However, the mental instability of Trump is so starkly evident every time he opens his mouth, I doubt if they will bring this up against Warren. Or maybe not. We have to be prepared. We need her to literally save us from this monster.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

spooky3

(34,462 posts)

2. I've read (quickly) the opinion and think there are a lot of good points in it.

Reply to highplainsdem (Original post)

Mon Jan 20, 2020, 12:24 AM

Jan 2020

It's imperfect but thought-provoking, IMHO.

It's interesting that they did not endorse Bloomberg.

In any case, we have a lot of really great candidates who are far superior to the squatter now in the WH. ABT for me.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

wiley

(2,921 posts)

9. Bloomberg wasn't interviewed. So he wasn't an actor in this ridiculous, 'Political Survivor" episode

Reply to spooky3 (Reply #2)

Mon Jan 20, 2020, 12:32 AM

Jan 2020

Only the NYTimes is capable of this degree of bipolar indecision turned into a self important reality TV type clown show.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

spooky3

(34,462 posts)

16. You're talking about the show, which I didn't see. I am

Reply to wiley (Reply #9)

Mon Jan 20, 2020, 01:07 AM

Jan 2020

Referring to the written opinion.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

still_one

(92,284 posts)

19. +++

Reply to wiley (Reply #9)

Mon Jan 20, 2020, 01:18 AM

Jan 2020

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

dsc

(52,164 posts)

4. actually a 70 year old women

Reply to highplainsdem (Original post)

Mon Jan 20, 2020, 12:26 AM

Jan 2020

is considerably younger actuarially than a 77 or 78 year old man. A 70 year old white female has a life expectancy of 16 and a half years, while a man of 77 has one of 10 and a man of 78 has one of 9 and a half. Your point does stand with Bloomberg though.

https://www.ssa.gov/oact/STATS/table4c6.html

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

sinkingfeeling

(51,466 posts)

5. Like I've said before, Mandela was 77 when he became president of S. Africa.

Reply to highplainsdem (Original post)

Mon Jan 20, 2020, 12:27 AM

Jan 2020

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

highplainsdem

(49,012 posts)

6. +1,000,000

Reply to sinkingfeeling (Reply #5)

Mon Jan 20, 2020, 12:27 AM

Jan 2020

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)

10. He was one-of-a-kind. None of our candidates are comparable including the oldest two. n/t

Reply to sinkingfeeling (Reply #5)

Mon Jan 20, 2020, 12:32 AM

Jan 2020

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)

37. Maybe Liz is one of a kind too. I, for one, consider her to be so.

Reply to pnwmom (Reply #10)

Mon Jan 20, 2020, 12:22 PM

Jan 2020

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

delisen

(6,044 posts)

7. Makes good sense to me.

Reply to highplainsdem (Original post)

Mon Jan 20, 2020, 12:28 AM

Jan 2020

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

grumpyduck

(6,241 posts)

11. I know it's unrealistic,

Reply to highplainsdem (Original post)

Mon Jan 20, 2020, 12:37 AM

Jan 2020

but I wish the media would stick to reporting the news and letting us form our own opinions.

As a guy who writes a blog for a specific audience in a specific field, I know how easy it is to spout your opinion and come across like an expert. It's all words. At least I and many others others don't take money under the table.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

evertonfc

(1,713 posts)

12. Np one cares

Reply to highplainsdem (Original post)

Mon Jan 20, 2020, 12:42 AM

Jan 2020

Who a couple elites at the NYT endorses. In fact, it's probably a negative. Amy, who I like, stands zero chance of being President.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

NYMinute

(3,256 posts)

13. KR

Reply to highplainsdem (Original post)

Mon Jan 20, 2020, 12:50 AM

Jan 2020

NYT endorsement has net 0 effect

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Scurrilous

(38,687 posts)

14. Go Joe!

Reply to highplainsdem (Original post)

Mon Jan 20, 2020, 12:53 AM

Jan 2020

Link to tweet

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Cha

(297,405 posts)

21. That is Awesome! It's so cool how Biden just zeros in on

Reply to Scurrilous (Reply #14)

Mon Jan 20, 2020, 01:20 AM

Jan 2020

the person he's talking to.

Link to tweet

This should go Viral!

:Mahalo, Scurrilous!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Scurrilous

(38,687 posts)

23. ...

Reply to Cha (Reply #21)

Mon Jan 20, 2020, 01:22 AM

Jan 2020

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Cha

(297,405 posts)

25. ...

Reply to Scurrilous (Reply #23)

Mon Jan 20, 2020, 01:24 AM

Jan 2020

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

squirecam

(2,706 posts)

15. Should have

Reply to highplainsdem (Original post)

Mon Jan 20, 2020, 01:05 AM

Jan 2020

Just picked Amy.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

helpisontheway

(5,008 posts)

17. Elizabeth looks fantastic for her age..Bernie/Biden not so much..nt

Reply to highplainsdem (Original post)

Mon Jan 20, 2020, 01:14 AM

Jan 2020

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

highplainsdem

(49,012 posts)

20. Biden also looks fantastic for his age.

Reply to helpisontheway (Reply #17)

Mon Jan 20, 2020, 01:19 AM

Jan 2020

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Cha

(297,405 posts)

22. I don't think that's true.. Biden looks Great

Reply to helpisontheway (Reply #17)

Mon Jan 20, 2020, 01:22 AM

Jan 2020

for his AGE!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

jg10003

(976 posts)

24. biden looks younger than 77 and bernie is as sharp as ever.

Reply to helpisontheway (Reply #17)

Mon Jan 20, 2020, 01:23 AM

Jan 2020

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)

28. No, he looks his age. And Bernie sticks to the same script as ever,

Reply to jg10003 (Reply #24)

Mon Jan 20, 2020, 02:03 AM

Jan 2020

if you call that being sharp.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

jg10003

(976 posts)

29. I call it focused

Reply to pnwmom (Reply #28)

Mon Jan 20, 2020, 02:25 AM

Jan 2020

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)

31. Yes, it does require far less effort keeping up with new data...very different from "focus."

Reply to pnwmom (Reply #28)

Mon Jan 20, 2020, 09:38 AM

Jan 2020

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If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Hassler

(3,382 posts)

18. NYT: enabling lies and wars since 2001.

Reply to highplainsdem (Original post)

Mon Jan 20, 2020, 01:14 AM

Jan 2020

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)

27. Hah. So that's why they endorsed Warren and Klobuchar!

Reply to Hassler (Reply #18)

Mon Jan 20, 2020, 02:02 AM

Jan 2020

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)

32. Yeah, those pulitzer prizes are so overrated....

Reply to Hassler (Reply #18)

Mon Jan 20, 2020, 09:38 AM

Jan 2020

You don't seem to shake your fist at their "warmongering" when they aren't endorsing women for POTUS....

https://upload.democraticunderground.com/1016221269#post1

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211488014#post14

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

LAS14

(13,783 posts)

42. Where do you get your news? (Honest curiosity.) nt

Reply to Hassler (Reply #18)

Mon Jan 20, 2020, 03:08 PM

Jan 2020

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Gothmog

(145,415 posts)

26. NYT nails sander perfectly

Reply to highplainsdem (Original post)

Mon Jan 20, 2020, 01:25 AM

Jan 2020

Link to tweet

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Gothmog

(145,415 posts)

30. These NYT comments on Warren are brutal

Reply to highplainsdem (Original post)

Mon Jan 20, 2020, 09:21 AM

Jan 2020

Link to tweet

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

LAS14

(13,783 posts)

35. I've had this weird feeling all morning that the NYT invaded my brain.

Reply to highplainsdem (Original post)

Mon Jan 20, 2020, 12:15 PM

Jan 2020

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Their choices and their reasoning are so close to what I've felt (and expressed on DU) for a long time. I've been waiting to see if Warren is on the crest of a wave (no individual can actually cause a revolution) or whether we have to go with pragmatism again. And they are the best representatives of each, I think.

I was also grateful for the many instances of eloquent articulation of thoughts I've mumbled to myself. The endorsements explained my own thinking to me!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)

38. Oh, me too LAS14! I'm old and I want so much to see a woman president of this country!

Reply to LAS14 (Reply #35)

Mon Jan 20, 2020, 12:25 PM

Jan 2020

Go, Elizabeth!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

booley

(3,855 posts)

41. NYT is why the "Iraq has WMD's and Uranium One stories had legs

Reply to highplainsdem (Original post)

Mon Jan 20, 2020, 02:50 PM

Jan 2020

Their opinion doesn't' have as much weight with me as it once may have.

Anyway, I didn't expect them to endorse Sanders after he called included them among the institutions that failed the American people.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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