Democratic Primaries

highplainsdem

(49,015 posts) Mon Jan 20, 2020, 01:44 AM Jan 2020

"What so many people don't seem to get about Biden is the genuine affection that so many voters feel

toward him. His compassion, empathy, and genuine goodness. He has an organic appeal that no candidate in this race can duplicate"

That was a tweet from Boston Globe columnist Michael Cohen, commenting on tweets from journalist Matthew Zeitlin on the video clip from the NY Times that I posted about in this OP:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287433663

Cohen's tweet:

Link to tweet

Zeitlin's tweets start here, full text below:

Link to tweet

the security guard loving biden is more meaningful and informative for why he's in the position he's in than anything he says in the interview

literally a black working class woman saying "I love you so much" before he gets filleted by obviously skeptical elite liberal opinion journalists. his entire campaign in a nutshell.

Tweet from a Biden staffer, with the video clip they're talking about:

Link to tweet

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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"What so many people don't seem to get about Biden is the genuine affection that so many voters feel (Original Post) highplainsdem Jan 2020 OP

Contrast with Bernie who is always angry at both Republicans and Democrats. OAITW r.2.0 Jan 2020 #1

We need more than nostalgia to fix what is wrong with America. LonePirate Jan 2020 #2

There's nothing in those tweets about nostalgia. And Biden's policy proposals are more liberal highplainsdem Jan 2020 #3

Being more liberal than HRC doesn't make them sufficient. LonePirate Jan 2020 #4

You're completely wrong. Every single point you made there is wrong. highplainsdem Jan 2020 #5

Disagreeing with facts doesn't make those facts wrong. It's the truth whether you like it or not. LonePirate Jan 2020 #6

The polls indicate I'm right about why people back Biden. Your disagreeing about the real reasons highplainsdem Jan 2020 #7

People are not backing Biden for his centrist positions. They are backing him because he was VP. LonePirate Jan 2020 #9

BS. highplainsdem Jan 2020 #10

See post #11 Thekaspervote Jan 2020 #13

They aren't facts you speak of, they are your opinions, but that's all they are opinions Thekaspervote Jan 2020 #11

We need more than empty promises to fix what is wrong with America dansolo Jan 2020 #17

Anita Hill might not share that view. His empathy and compassion pnwmom Jan 2020 #8

Blah blah blah Thekaspervote Jan 2020 #12

I think perhaps he may have learned a few things since then. calimary Jan 2020 #14

I have meant Joe twice in person Gothmog Jan 2020 #15

Personal dishonesty doesn't allow understanding. Zeitlin's example Hortensis Jan 2020 #16

Hortensis, the security guard is a woman, not a man, and nothing Zeitlin wrote is critical highplainsdem Jan 2020 #18

I have met Joe in person twice Gothmog Jan 2020 #19

After the primaries, when he can stop walking on eggshells, he is going to let loose. Mark my UniteFightBack Jan 2020 #22

IMHO, dware Jan 2020 #20

It's also trust. Leaders know and trust him. He has the broadest appeal. nt UniteFightBack Jan 2020 #21

OAITW r.2.0

(24,528 posts)

1. Contrast with Bernie who is always angry at both Republicans and Democrats.

Reply to highplainsdem (Original post)

Mon Jan 20, 2020, 01:54 AM

Jan 2020

Like we both are responsible for the mess we are in. Fuck that, he may believe in his perfect Senate record, but none of his ideas made it thru Republican controlled tenures

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

LonePirate

(13,427 posts)

2. We need more than nostalgia to fix what is wrong with America.

Reply to highplainsdem (Original post)

Mon Jan 20, 2020, 01:55 AM

Jan 2020

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

highplainsdem

(49,015 posts)

3. There's nothing in those tweets about nostalgia. And Biden's policy proposals are more liberal

Reply to LonePirate (Reply #2)

Mon Jan 20, 2020, 02:01 AM

Jan 2020

than HRC's, and they're also realistic.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

LonePirate

(13,427 posts)

4. Being more liberal than HRC doesn't make them sufficient.

Reply to highplainsdem (Reply #3)

Mon Jan 20, 2020, 02:03 AM

Jan 2020

And yes, nostalgia for the Obama years is the rocket fuel driving Biden's campaign. It certainly is not his centrist policy positions.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

highplainsdem

(49,015 posts)

5. You're completely wrong. Every single point you made there is wrong.

Reply to LonePirate (Reply #4)

Mon Jan 20, 2020, 02:04 AM

Jan 2020

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

LonePirate

(13,427 posts)

6. Disagreeing with facts doesn't make those facts wrong. It's the truth whether you like it or not.

Reply to highplainsdem (Reply #5)

Mon Jan 20, 2020, 02:12 AM

Jan 2020

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

highplainsdem

(49,015 posts)

7. The polls indicate I'm right about why people back Biden. Your disagreeing about the real reasons

Reply to LonePirate (Reply #6)

Mon Jan 20, 2020, 02:16 AM

Jan 2020

people back Biden doesn't change those facts.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

LonePirate

(13,427 posts)

9. People are not backing Biden for his centrist positions. They are backing him because he was VP.

Reply to highplainsdem (Reply #7)

Mon Jan 20, 2020, 02:21 AM

Jan 2020

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

highplainsdem

(49,015 posts)

10. BS.

Reply to LonePirate (Reply #9)

Mon Jan 20, 2020, 02:22 AM

Jan 2020

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Thekaspervote

(32,785 posts)

13. See post #11

Reply to LonePirate (Reply #9)

Mon Jan 20, 2020, 02:25 AM

Jan 2020

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Thekaspervote

(32,785 posts)

11. They aren't facts you speak of, they are your opinions, but that's all they are opinions

Reply to LonePirate (Reply #6)

Mon Jan 20, 2020, 02:23 AM

Jan 2020

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

dansolo

(5,376 posts)

17. We need more than empty promises to fix what is wrong with America

Reply to LonePirate (Reply #2)

Mon Jan 20, 2020, 07:53 AM

Jan 2020

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

pnwmom

(108,988 posts)

8. Anita Hill might not share that view. His empathy and compassion

Reply to highplainsdem (Original post)

Mon Jan 20, 2020, 02:19 AM

Jan 2020

seemed more aimed at the other men on the panel.

The millions who are unable to declare bankruptcy to get out from under impossible student debt -- thanks to Biden's efforts on behalf of the banking industry -- might not feel much of his compassion or empathy either.

The best I could say about him is that he might be a Gerald Ford-style comfortable return to normality. Which is something, and I'll strongly support him if he's the nominee.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Thekaspervote

(32,785 posts)

12. Blah blah blah

Reply to pnwmom (Reply #8)

Mon Jan 20, 2020, 02:24 AM

Jan 2020

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

calimary

(81,383 posts)

14. I think perhaps he may have learned a few things since then.

Reply to pnwmom (Reply #8)

Mon Jan 20, 2020, 04:29 AM

Jan 2020

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Gothmog

(145,427 posts)

15. I have meant Joe twice in person

Reply to highplainsdem (Original post)

Mon Jan 20, 2020, 06:16 AM

Jan 2020

He is a truly caring person. He hugged me at an event last Thursday after we discussed stuttering.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)

16. Personal dishonesty doesn't allow understanding. Zeitlin's example

Reply to highplainsdem (Original post)

Mon Jan 20, 2020, 06:44 AM

Jan 2020

of denial is no different than the partisan dishonesty that allows RWers to deny climate change because that's what their team does. And from dishonest comes more dishonesty.

@MattZeitlin
the security guard loving biden is more meaningful and informative for why he's in the position he's in than anything he says in the interview

Imo, Zeitlin's complete dismissal of a man who holds a modest job is incredibly indicative of why pay is low. He's too busy attacking to be aware of his own massive hypocrisy, though.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

highplainsdem

(49,015 posts)

18. Hortensis, the security guard is a woman, not a man, and nothing Zeitlin wrote is critical

Reply to Hortensis (Reply #16)

Mon Jan 20, 2020, 09:27 AM

Jan 2020

of either her or Biden.

I'm sorry you found the pronoun confusing, and I'm guessing you replied before looking at the video.

When Zeitlin refers to "the position he's in" he means Biden's position as front-runner.

And the comparison to the "obviously skeptical elite liberal opinion journalists" does NOT flatter those journalists or the way they treat Biden.

Zeitlin is siding with the security guard.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden