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pnwmom

(108,987 posts)
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 01:54 AM Jan 2020

Bernie Sanders: "She's a woman . . . everybody has some negatives, if you like.

Last edited Mon Jan 20, 2020, 04:00 AM - Edit history (2)

So, in Bernie's opinion, advanced age is an equivalent "problem" or "negative" to being a woman (which is a lifelong "problem" or "negative." ) Men, at least, have several decades of being a non-problematic age.

ON EDIT: He's just inadvertently confirmed Warren's story.





Question: do you think that gender is still an obstacle for female politicians?

Sanders: Look, I, th- the answer is yes. But I think everybody has their own sets of problems. I’m 78 years of age. That’s a problem.

Cont. “I’m 78 years of age. That’s a problem....If you’re looking at Buttigieg, he’s a young guy. People will say, ‘He’s too young to be president.’ You look at this one, ‘She’s a woman.’ You know, you look at that -- so everybody, you know, brings some negatives, if you’d like.”
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Bernie Sanders: "She's a woman . . . everybody has some negatives, if you like. (Original Post) pnwmom Jan 2020 OP
Who would Bernie choose as a running mate? OAITW r.2.0 Jan 2020 #1
You mean squirecam Jan 2020 #2
Bingo! Sanders Institute Co-Founder, Tulsi Gabbard TomCADem Jan 2020 #3
LOL. Everyone brings some negatives? peggysue2 Jan 2020 #4
Jeez louise Tiggeroshii Jan 2020 #5
Clearly you don't get it. Being a man is only a "problem" or a "negative," pnwmom Jan 2020 #6
Nononono you are intentionally taking what he said out of context. Tiggeroshii Jan 2020 #7
What context makes that okay? He's saying that it's a negative or a problem for a man pnwmom Jan 2020 #13
He said none of the things you are accusing him Tiggeroshii Jan 2020 #14
You need to reread what he said. pnwmom Jan 2020 #19
It sounds like you need to re read what you wrote. Tiggeroshii Jan 2020 #20
He's saying that being a man who is too young or too old is a problem. pnwmom Jan 2020 #21
Like I said Tiggeroshii Jan 2020 #22
I agree. He shouldn't have said it. nt pnwmom Jan 2020 #24
Now you are taking ME outta context. Tiggeroshii Jan 2020 #25
Yes, in terms of biases people hold against them, that's probably correct. thesquanderer Jan 2020 #39
Nobody's perfect mcar Jan 2020 #37
Then he should have said and clearly put that message out instead of implying women was an Bummfuzzle Jan 2020 #8
Orrr Tiggeroshii Jan 2020 #9
He has consistently fallen short in conversation with women. That is not on me. Bummfuzzle Jan 2020 #11
Again Tiggeroshii Jan 2020 #12
The context is that Warren has recently said that he told her a woman wouldn't win. pnwmom Jan 2020 #15
No. Tiggeroshii Jan 2020 #16
Maybe his supporters should ask him not to say stuff like this. n/t pnwmom Jan 2020 #17
Or maybe this isn't an issue Tiggeroshii Jan 2020 #18
IKR, Plus he's telling the truth janterry Jan 2020 #26
At the end of the day it is an asset. Tiggeroshii Jan 2020 #27
Yes BannonsLiver Jan 2020 #40
Being a woman isn't a "negatvie". Cha Jan 2020 #10
That's not what he said janterry Jan 2020 #28
Then why did he deny it at the debate? dansolo Jan 2020 #31
Is Biden honest about his war vote? janterry Jan 2020 #34
Like I said.. "Being a Woman Isn't a Negative". Cha Jan 2020 #44
My opinion is a little different... Mike Nelson Jan 2020 #23
We don't see female as a negative, but a segment of the electorate does. elias7 Jan 2020 #32
I have been staying out of the Bernie/Biden war, but I really dewsgirl Jan 2020 #29
Even John Edwards had the correct answer to a similar question mcar Jan 2020 #38
What's interesting is what he doesn't say Clash City Rocker Jan 2020 #30
I watched this interview, and he did say that. It should be about the totality of the candidate floppyboo Jan 2020 #42
This current DU attack on Bernie is absolutely pathetic. Yes, being a woman is a problem. kickitup Jan 2020 #33
+1000 janterry Jan 2020 #35
I agree. We Dems need to carry the flag for rational thought. Nothing wrong with what.. LAS14 Jan 2020 #41
Well said Tiggeroshii Jan 2020 #43
"When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time." -Maya Angelou ehrnst Jan 2020 #36
 

OAITW r.2.0

(24,528 posts)
1. Who would Bernie choose as a running mate?
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 02:07 AM
Jan 2020

I doubt it would be a women or a minority...unless they are a bomb thrower against the Democratic current establishment. He really won't motivate me to vote for him in the primaries, though it is a "no brainer" in the GE.

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squirecam

(2,706 posts)
2. You mean
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 02:08 AM
Jan 2020

Tulsi Gabbard?

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TomCADem

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3. Bingo! Sanders Institute Co-Founder, Tulsi Gabbard
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 02:26 AM
Jan 2020

nt

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peggysue2

(10,836 posts)
4. LOL. Everyone brings some negatives?
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 02:34 AM
Jan 2020

As in, being a woman????

And Joe Biden is the one always accused of . . . gaffes?

Keep digging that hole, Senator Sanders.



Btw, women are the most reliable voters in this country. But please, keep knocking yourself out.

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Tiggeroshii

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5. Jeez louise
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 03:41 AM
Jan 2020

He is saying being a woman is an obstacle because people are sexist. And he is saying that his 78 years old is a problem. Clearly he is not saying women are problems.

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pnwmom

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6. Clearly you don't get it. Being a man is only a "problem" or a "negative,"
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 03:57 AM
Jan 2020

in Bernie's opinion, if you are too old or too young.

But if you are a woman, it doesn't matter how old you are -- you're a negative.

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Tiggeroshii

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7. Nononono you are intentionally taking what he said out of context.
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 04:12 AM
Jan 2020
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pnwmom

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13. What context makes that okay? He's saying that it's a negative or a problem for a man
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 05:42 AM
Jan 2020

who is too old or too young.

At least, in Bernie's opinion, men have several decades in which their candidacies are not problematical.

Unlike women.

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Tiggeroshii

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14. He said none of the things you are accusing him
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 05:43 AM
Jan 2020
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pnwmom

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19. You need to reread what he said.
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 05:47 AM
Jan 2020

Question: do you think that gender is still an obstacle for female politicians?

Sanders: Look, I, th- the answer is yes. But I think everybody has their own sets of problems. I’m 78 years of age. That’s a problem.

Cont. “I’m 78 years of age. That’s a problem....If you’re looking at Buttigieg, he’s a young guy. People will say, ‘He’s too young to be president.’ You look at this one, ‘She’s a woman.’ You know, you look at that -- so everybody, you know, brings some negatives, if you’d like.”

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Tiggeroshii

(11,088 posts)
20. It sounds like you need to re read what you wrote.
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 05:50 AM
Jan 2020

Because when you say what he said, it isn't what you wrote.

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pnwmom

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21. He's saying that being a man who is too young or too old is a problem.
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 05:52 AM
Jan 2020

But being a woman is a problem. Period.

Not just when they're too old. Not just when they're too young.

But when they're a woman, which is (usually) forever.

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pnwmom

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24. I agree. He shouldn't have said it. nt
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 06:07 AM
Jan 2020
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Tiggeroshii

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25. Now you are taking ME outta context.
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 06:12 AM
Jan 2020

Sheesh.

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thesquanderer

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39. Yes, in terms of biases people hold against them, that's probably correct.
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 12:56 PM
Jan 2020

And you're right when you say "Men, at least, have several decades of being a non-problematic age" -- Maybe instead of pointing to his age as an issue (which as you point out, is not a "forever" situation), he should have pointed to his being Jewish.

Yes, there are things that are "problematic" in having the widest possible appeal. Including being black, but that didn't mean it was impossible for Obama to win. Of course people with these "problems" can win, but that doesn't mean you can say that these biases aren't an issue. Yes, people who are black, or Jewish, or female, or old, will have a bit more of an obstacle for them in terms of appealing to the widest possible base, compared to people who are none of these things. That doesn't mean they shouldn't run or that they can't possibly win. But you can't ignore that it's a factor in their chances of success, either.

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mcar

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37. Nobody's perfect
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 10:40 AM
Jan 2020
Q: But does the fact that she's a woman affect her chances of winning?
“The answer’s yes but I think everybody has their own sets of problems. I’m 78 years old.” Voters have to “look at the totality of a candidate...Nobody is perfect"


https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287433002

I posted the entire section of the interview in that OP for context. He sure did say it.
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Bummfuzzle

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8. Then he should have said and clearly put that message out instead of implying women was an
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 04:15 AM
Jan 2020

imperfection, right?

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Tiggeroshii

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9. Orrr
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 04:29 AM
Jan 2020

You can choose not to intentionally take people out of context in order to imply they are horrible sexists. Just a thought, though...


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Bummfuzzle

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11. He has consistently fallen short in conversation with women. That is not on me.
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 05:22 AM
Jan 2020
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Tiggeroshii

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12. Again
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 05:34 AM
Jan 2020

It is clearly too much to ask to not purposefully take him or if context..

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pnwmom

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15. The context is that Warren has recently said that he told her a woman wouldn't win.
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 05:44 AM
Jan 2020

And this confirms what she said. He thinks running as a woman is a negative or a problem.

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pnwmom

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17. Maybe his supporters should ask him not to say stuff like this. n/t
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 05:45 AM
Jan 2020
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Tiggeroshii

(11,088 posts)
18. Or maybe this isn't an issue
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 05:47 AM
Jan 2020

Not even a little bit. But kudos for trying!

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janterry

(4,429 posts)
26. IKR, Plus he's telling the truth
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 06:16 AM
Jan 2020

This is why people trust Bernie.

When caught with a situation - instead of trying to squirm out of it, he tells the truth as he sees it.

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Tiggeroshii

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27. At the end of the day it is an asset.
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 06:19 AM
Jan 2020

They want him to be a polished politician with fully rehearsed responses, but he just has honesty. Thank you!

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BannonsLiver

(16,411 posts)
40. Yes
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 01:30 PM
Jan 2020

As opposed to proclaiming public support for one candidate when one supports another.

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Cha

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10. Being a woman isn't a "negatvie".
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 04:37 AM
Jan 2020
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janterry

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28. That's not what he said
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 06:20 AM
Jan 2020

He told the truth about what he said.

He didn't offer spin. He could have. He could have tried to make this all go away - like a more traditional politician. But he didn't.

As a woman - I don't have a problem with him saying that there are many sexist people in this country who might not vote for a woman.

This is truth.

His 'clarification' is devoid of spin --- it's honest and refreshing.

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dansolo

(5,376 posts)
31. Then why did he deny it at the debate?
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 07:50 AM
Jan 2020

If Bernie is being honest now, why did he deny saying the exact thing in private with Sen. Warren? Just days ago his supporters claimed that there was no way Bernie would ever say what was claimed. Stop gaslightling us, you guys sound like Trump supporters. First you deny something that was said, and then when it is repeated, you then proclaim how refreshing and honest he is.

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janterry

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34. Is Biden honest about his war vote?
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 08:34 AM
Jan 2020

He made a mistake. That's all. I could accept that. It's what I look for in a politician.

No double speak.

Here Bernie is doing just that.

I have so much respect for him.

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Cha

(297,427 posts)
44. Like I said.. "Being a Woman Isn't a Negative".
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 08:20 PM
Jan 2020
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Mike Nelson

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23. My opinion is a little different...
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 05:56 AM
Jan 2020

... I see age as possibly a "negative" in running for President. If you are 31, it's a negative, for example; you are too young and cannot run! If you are 37, you can run - and I think that's fine. Experience is always a consideration - young people are likely to have less experience, but it's not always true. For example, Pete is much more experienced and capable than The Donald. If you're 81, it can be a negative - if there are health concerns. Health concerns can come at any age, though - health concerns and age increase with age but can't always be associated with age. We have three top tier candidates in their 70s. They appear, to me, in good health. Bernie had a heart attack - but, to me, he seems to be in better health than ever (and he is not at the top of my list). I think it's important to release full, complete, objective health reports. I hope this practice becomes law.

... I don't see being female as a "negative" at all.

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elias7

(4,018 posts)
32. We don't see female as a negative, but a segment of the electorate does.
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 08:20 AM
Jan 2020

That’s all he’s saying.

Bottom line, everybody’s got something that someone doesn’t like.

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dewsgirl

(14,961 posts)
29. I have been staying out of the Bernie/Biden war, but I really
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 06:31 AM
Jan 2020

don't think that is what he meant.

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mcar

(42,356 posts)
38. Even John Edwards had the correct answer to a similar question
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 10:42 AM
Jan 2020
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Clash City Rocker

(3,396 posts)
30. What's interesting is what he doesn't say
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 07:26 AM
Jan 2020

He doesn’t say that it shouldn’t be an issue. I’m fairly confident that he doesn’t think it should be an issue, so why not mention that?

There were many comments by Bernie supporters about Hillary that were pretty misogynistic. My concern is that he may be reluctant to make such a statement because he doesn’t want to offend his more sexist supporters. That may not be the case, and he could clear it up just by coming right out and saying “it shouldn’t be an issue.”

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floppyboo

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42. I watched this interview, and he did say that. It should be about the totality of the candidate
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 02:03 PM
Jan 2020

it should be about policy.

Bernie, like all the other candidates, and you and me, have access to polls. And the media has access too. And they make a big deal about it. A really big deal! They are the biggest dividers EVER!

Joe's firewall, Pete's problem with AA older voters, Sanders problem with rich white people.

Funny thing is, his numbers are stronger with women and with Latinos, and certainly stronger with young people than other candidates. Yet his supporters are constantly being bashed for being misogynist and racist. Not this post. Some op-ed today featured on Morning Joe. And they were talking about twitter - holy smokes batman! And they were probably talking about twitters that were criticizing Them! Who represent an elite segment of the party that, yah, the Sanders movement has a problem with. No duh!

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kickitup

(355 posts)
33. This current DU attack on Bernie is absolutely pathetic. Yes, being a woman is a problem.
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 08:30 AM
Jan 2020

We all know this or we wouldn't be feminists. Duh.

Age is a problem. Being female is a problem. Being gay is certainly a problem. Being Jewish is a problem. Being black is a problem. None of those should be a problem but they are in American politics.

And people like you know full well what he meant.

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LAS14

(13,783 posts)
41. I agree. We Dems need to carry the flag for rational thought. Nothing wrong with what..
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 01:37 PM
Jan 2020

... Bernie said here. Which is not to say that he doesn't have a ton of negatives that, in my opinion, disqualify him from being president.... Unless he's the Dem nominee. In which case I'll certainly vote for him.

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Tiggeroshii

(11,088 posts)
43. Well said
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 08:12 PM
Jan 2020

Thank you

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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
36. "When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time." -Maya Angelou
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 08:52 AM
Jan 2020

And when they show you over and over.....

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