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MLK fought for a "guaranteed income" in 1968. Andrew Yang is fighting for one today. (Original Post) redqueen Jan 2020 OP
I like Yang's ideas. Doremus Jan 2020 #1
I agree of course! redqueen Jan 2020 #2
And Hillary hoped and planned to begin a GUI by her second term, Hortensis Jan 2020 #3
What? redqueen Jan 2020 #4
2016 didn't teach Yang that the way to get a GUI program Hortensis Jan 2020 #5
As they say, the road to hell is paved with good intentions. redqueen Jan 2020 #6
Yes. I don't know anything about resources available Hortensis Jan 2020 #7
True! redqueen Jan 2020 #8
Boy, for sure! The lie that they're the party of fiscal Hortensis Jan 2020 #9
 

Doremus

(7,261 posts)
1. I like Yang's ideas.
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 05:06 PM
Jan 2020

He is on-point in many respects.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

redqueen

(115,103 posts)
2. I agree of course!
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 06:28 PM
Jan 2020

Another thing I love is that he cares about how his supporters act and interact with others!

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Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
3. And Hillary hoped and planned to begin a GUI by her second term,
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 06:34 PM
Jan 2020

if not before. She seriously considered running on it, but with so many serious issues that also had to be addressed, including related massive skilled jobs creation, skills training, and free/affordable college, interconnected with massive infrastructure projects and changes to battle global warming, she felt we couldn't, or shouldn't, start that quite yet.

We'd be talking seriously about it by now, though.

MLK had a dream. Yang's too, what?. One of those voters who screwed up really, really badly; and his statements suggest he's a slow learner who would make the same dreadful mistake all over again. Whatever, Yang's clearly part of the problem that defeated the very GUI he calls for. We have a lot of those.

We have competent, clear-headed and honorable Democrats who can and will, but we need to vote for them.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

redqueen

(115,103 posts)
4. What?
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 06:49 PM
Jan 2020

A slow learner?

What are you talking about?

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
5. 2016 didn't teach Yang that the way to get a GUI program
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 07:01 PM
Jan 2020

started is to ally with Democrats who intend to do just that. Or maybe he knows but doesn't care.

It's pretty simple really: People who seek personal advantage by claiming that Democrats oppose issues they try to identify only with themselves don't accomplish anything positive for their nation, but they can cause harm.

The can-doers identify solutions with both themselves AND the Democratic Party they plan to achieve them through -- by getting majorities elected along with themselves. Like Warren. That's a big identifier of those who CAN come through and planning to make it happen.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

redqueen

(115,103 posts)
6. As they say, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 07:03 PM
Jan 2020

Actual bills would be something, though!

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Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
7. Yes. I don't know anything about resources available
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 07:14 PM
Jan 2020

to us in 2021, ?, but the Repubs and those they serve have a long pattern of emptying the budget and running up national and state debt (that giant sucking sound) to make it impossible for incoming Democrats to come through on their campaign promises.

When they controlled the WH and both houses of congress, though, they outdid themselves with the tax heist and a great deal of followup theft and tax evasion.

No one's talking about that. BUT, it always turns out there are ways and means we don't know about, even if it takes some brilliant maneuvering to put them to work. Not everything's going to be possible at once, though. The nation's in a much worse position than in 2016.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

redqueen

(115,103 posts)
8. True!
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 07:20 PM
Jan 2020

It sucks that it seems the GOP has already adopted MMT and is seemingly just counting on us not to try anything big and just busy ourselves with cleaning up their messed when we have control. IMO we need to stop that.

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Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
9. Boy, for sure! The lie that they're the party of fiscal
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 08:34 PM
Jan 2020

responsibility, instead of the party that exploits the working classes to serve the wealthy, was a massive marketing coup that's been recited as a mantra by the media and its victims for 80 years. I'm hoping at least this era will finally put a stake in the heart of that one.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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