Democratic Primaries

Anaxamander

(570 posts) Mon Jan 20, 2020, 07:39 PM Jan 2020

Why didn't Warren call out Bernie in December 2018?

Why wait until now? Why would she pretend to be on good terms with him for an entire year and then pull this now? It's almost like it's a dishonest, cynical move meant to help her and torpedo Bernie...

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Why didn't Warren call out Bernie in December 2018? (Original Post) Anaxamander Jan 2020 OP

The story didn't have the story. RandySF Jan 2020 #1

She thought they had an agreement, until Bernie broke it More_Cowbell Jan 2020 #2

What do you think that agreement was? Anaxamander Jan 2020 #4

I agree. Blue_true Jan 2020 #19

She didn't call him out it in 2020 either.... ehrnst Jan 2020 #3

+1 BeyondGeography Jan 2020 #6

Michael Moore podcast on this Beringia Jan 2020 #5

Post removed Post removed Jan 2020 #12

Horseshyt. Generations of her family thought they had significant blm Jan 2020 #28

I thought the Sanders camp wanted to move past this and not bring it up anymore? Quackers Jan 2020 #7

WaPo: Millions of women understand Christine Blasey Ford's decades of silence TomCADem Jan 2020 #8

Sanders had David Sirota stab her in the back with "the script" The Valley Below Jan 2020 #9

Post removed Post removed Jan 2020 #10

How dare you say 'the DNC wants 'half measure' Joe ....VOTERS ...just like the last UniteFightBack Jan 2020 #13

Has the voting already begun? Autumn Jan 2020 #24

No, but even here on DU which is more to the left than the Democratic party itself, karynnj Jan 2020 #27

DU is in no way representative of anything. Bernie could be the only one running and he would Autumn Jan 2020 #29

I agree DU is not representative, but in all past years, it disproportionately supported the karynnj Jan 2020 #32

This message was self-deleted by its author TwilightZone Jan 2020 #31

bwaaaaahahahahahahahahahahahahaha nt NYMinute Jan 2020 #11

Smells like squirecam Jan 2020 #14

Bernie Sanders and Brett Kavanaugh Supporters Use The Same Playbook TomCADem Jan 2020 #16

Warren squirecam Jan 2020 #17

Even though it has lost luster, the NY Times endorsement of Warren and Klobuchar will help both Blue_true Jan 2020 #20

Amy did get squirecam Jan 2020 #21

I know. I thought that I had made that clear. If I didn't I apologize. nt Blue_true Jan 2020 #22

It was clear squirecam Jan 2020 #23

Ok. Thanks. nt Blue_true Jan 2020 #25

And Warren got Art Cullen's Storm Lake Times blm Jan 2020 #30

The differences are that Kavanaugh is a sexual predator. Bernie isn't. That's a really bad Autumn Jan 2020 #26

So You Believe Women Only When They Speak Out Against Conservatives TomCADem Jan 2020 #33

You are shitting on Believe Women, Bernie did nothing to Liz. Believe Women refers Autumn Jan 2020 #34

So Are You Saying You Do Believe Warren? TomCADem Jan 2020 #35

You and I will never agree. I believe Bernie. I also believe Liz had no problem with what he said at Autumn Jan 2020 #36

Most people don't report sexual harassment and a majority think that's a real problem TomCADem Jan 2020 #37

lol poor bernie, being called out on his past behavior nt msongs Jan 2020 #15

She likely had to put 2 and 2 together. Blue_true Jan 2020 #18

RandySF

(59,031 posts)

1. The story didn't have the story.

Reply to Anaxamander (Original post)

Mon Jan 20, 2020, 07:42 PM

Jan 2020

I’ll bet that tumors wee floating around and it finally got to a reporter.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

More_Cowbell

(2,191 posts)

2. She thought they had an agreement, until Bernie broke it

Reply to Anaxamander (Original post)

Mon Jan 20, 2020, 07:44 PM

Jan 2020

That's what I think.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

Anaxamander

(570 posts)

4. What do you think that agreement was?

Reply to More_Cowbell (Reply #2)

Mon Jan 20, 2020, 07:47 PM

Jan 2020

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)

19. I agree.

Reply to More_Cowbell (Reply #2)

Mon Jan 20, 2020, 09:03 PM

Jan 2020

That Sanders campaign memo questioning whether she had the right stuff to win the General likely caused his 2018 words to come flooding back in a different light.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)

3. She didn't call him out it in 2020 either....

Reply to Anaxamander (Original post)

Mon Jan 20, 2020, 07:46 PM

Jan 2020

It was leaked from someone she had a private conversation with... and then he said that it wasn't true....

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

BeyondGeography

(39,377 posts)

6. +1

Reply to ehrnst (Reply #3)

Mon Jan 20, 2020, 07:57 PM

Jan 2020

https://www.mediaite.com/election-2020/new-details-suggest-political-journalists-not-warren-campaign-couldve-leaked-woman-cant-win-claim-about-sanders-to-cnn/

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

Beringia

(4,316 posts)

5. Michael Moore podcast on this

Reply to Anaxamander (Original post)

Mon Jan 20, 2020, 07:50 PM

Jan 2020

https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/michael-moore-4/rumble-with-michael-moore/e/66581238

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

Response to Beringia (Reply #5)

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blm

(113,078 posts)

28. Horseshyt. Generations of her family thought they had significant

Reply to Post removed (Reply #12)

Mon Jan 20, 2020, 10:05 PM

Jan 2020

Native American ancestry. She didn’t lie. She’s just one of many millions of Americans discovering that their family stories aren’t accurate.

Kerry didn’t lie for decades that he was Irish....he really believed he was. His grandfather changed his name to avoid being persecuted for being Jewish and adopted a different background. He didn’t discover the truth till he was in his 60s.

This is happening to families by the millions. Embellishing? Lying? Believing family stories.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Quackers

(2,256 posts)

7. I thought the Sanders camp wanted to move past this and not bring it up anymore?

Reply to Anaxamander (Original post)

Mon Jan 20, 2020, 08:05 PM

Jan 2020

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

TomCADem

(17,390 posts)

8. WaPo: Millions of women understand Christine Blasey Ford's decades of silence

Reply to Anaxamander (Original post)

Mon Jan 20, 2020, 08:22 PM

Jan 2020

Bernie Sanders can commiserate with Brett Kavanaugh's supporters who have also argued why didn't Christine Blasey Ford call out Kavanaugh earlier?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/but-why-did-kavanaughs-accuser-wait-37-years-to-say-something/2018/09/20/04118d42-bcdd-11e8-be70-52bd11fe18af_story.html

My friend shared her #MeToo ordeal this week, inspired by Christine Blasey Ford’s allegation that she was sexually assaulted by Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh when they were in high school.

“I was a preteen when I was first assaulted. Sometimes, it takes decades for victims to come forward,” she wrote on Facebook, in response to a friend who blasted Ford for waiting over 35 years to accuse Kavanaugh of attacking her.

My friend waited 40 years to speak up. She broke her silence because she’d had enough of all the doubt being hurled at Ford, the psychology professor now enduring death threats for telling her story.

My friend — a fierce reporter — understands Ford’s decades of silence.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

The Valley Below

(1,701 posts)

9. Sanders had David Sirota stab her in the back with "the script"

Reply to Anaxamander (Original post)

Mon Jan 20, 2020, 08:23 PM

Jan 2020

and then Sanders campaign lied about the script saying it was just a rogue employee. Total lie.

Sanders alienates everyone in due time.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)

13. How dare you say 'the DNC wants 'half measure' Joe ....VOTERS ...just like the last

Reply to Post removed (Reply #10)

Mon Jan 20, 2020, 08:37 PM

Jan 2020

primary are deciding this...GOT IT?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Autumn

(45,120 posts)

24. Has the voting already begun?

Reply to UniteFightBack (Reply #13)

Mon Jan 20, 2020, 09:31 PM

Jan 2020

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

karynnj

(59,504 posts)

27. No, but even here on DU which is more to the left than the Democratic party itself,

Reply to Autumn (Reply #24)

Mon Jan 20, 2020, 09:56 PM

Jan 2020

Sanders has been lower than Biden for months. Consider that people here have to publicly declare their favorite or they are counted as undecided. If you add Warren and Sanders, the progressives are somewhat higher than the centrists (Biden, Buttigieg and Klobuchar), but compared to 2004, 2008, and 2016 -- it might be more centrist than any of those years.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Autumn

(45,120 posts)

29. DU is in no way representative of anything. Bernie could be the only one running and he would

Reply to karynnj (Reply #27)

Mon Jan 20, 2020, 10:07 PM

Jan 2020

still have the same numbers.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

karynnj

(59,504 posts)

32. I agree DU is not representative, but in all past years, it disproportionately supported the

Reply to Autumn (Reply #29)

Mon Jan 20, 2020, 10:31 PM

Jan 2020

more progressive candidate.

If you genuinely think that Bernie's numbers would be the same if he was the only one running, you are saying that he is not second to the choice anyone voted and that he is not one of the choices that any undecided person is weighing. I seriously doubt that is true.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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NYMinute

(3,256 posts)

11. bwaaaaahahahahahahahahahahahahaha nt

Reply to Anaxamander (Original post)

Mon Jan 20, 2020, 08:24 PM

Jan 2020

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

squirecam

(2,706 posts)

14. Smells like

Reply to Anaxamander (Original post)

Mon Jan 20, 2020, 08:40 PM

Jan 2020

Desperation...

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

TomCADem

(17,390 posts)

16. Bernie Sanders and Brett Kavanaugh Supporters Use The Same Playbook

Reply to squirecam (Reply #14)

Mon Jan 20, 2020, 08:51 PM

Jan 2020

Why did she wait until now?

https://www.vox.com/culture/2020/1/15/21067331/warren-is-a-snake-hashtag-explained

Why Bernie Sanders supporters are trolling Elizabeth Warren with snake emoji

In the wake of Tuesday night’s Democratic debate, one of Twitter’s trending hashtags was #WarrenIsASnake. Angry social media users have been tweeting the hashtag, along with its partner hashtag #NeverWarren, and flooding Sen. Elizabeth Warren’s replies with snake emojis.

The trend seems to have begun with some Sen. Bernie Sanders supporters, who were angry with Warren for maintaining that Sanders told her privately that he didn’t believe a woman could win the 2020 presidential election, even after Sanders denied saying any such thing. After a while, though, the hashtags continued trending not only because of anti-Warren Twitter users denouncing her, but also because Warren fans were using the hashtags to denounce Sanders and proclaim their support for Warren. (And possibly because of some bots, too. Twitter in 2020!)

But it’s notable that this ostensibly political argument is centered on the idea of Warren being a “snake” — because using the snake emoji to troll an opponent is not an idea that arose out of politics. It’s an idea that arose out of fandom. Specifically, it arose out of celebrity stan culture.

Which means that this political debate is looking less and less like a discussion about the electability of the candidates and more and more like stan trolling.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

squirecam

(2,706 posts)

17. Warren

Reply to TomCADem (Reply #16)

Mon Jan 20, 2020, 08:55 PM

Jan 2020

Has been wrongfully and unfairly attacked over this.

It’s only going to backfire more on Sanders.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)

20. Even though it has lost luster, the NY Times endorsement of Warren and Klobuchar will help both

Reply to squirecam (Reply #17)

Mon Jan 20, 2020, 09:08 PM

Jan 2020

women. If the Des Moines Register endorses Warren or Klobuchar also, that likely blows up the race big time.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

squirecam

(2,706 posts)

21. Amy did get

Reply to Blue_true (Reply #20)

Mon Jan 20, 2020, 09:14 PM

Jan 2020

The “other” times endorsement too.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/quad-city-times-endorses-klobuchar_n_5e24b1e9c5b673621f77dd20

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)

22. I know. I thought that I had made that clear. If I didn't I apologize. nt

Reply to squirecam (Reply #21)

Mon Jan 20, 2020, 09:20 PM

Jan 2020

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

squirecam

(2,706 posts)

23. It was clear

Reply to Blue_true (Reply #22)

Mon Jan 20, 2020, 09:22 PM

Jan 2020

The other I was talking about was the Quad City times.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)

25. Ok. Thanks. nt

Reply to squirecam (Reply #23)

Mon Jan 20, 2020, 09:34 PM

Jan 2020

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

blm

(113,078 posts)

30. And Warren got Art Cullen's Storm Lake Times

Reply to Blue_true (Reply #20)

Mon Jan 20, 2020, 10:14 PM

Jan 2020

https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/elections/presidential/caucus/2019/12/11/elizabeth-warren-endorsement-art-cullen-storm-lake-times-iowa-caucuses/4397084002/

The Storm Lake Times, led by Pulitzer Prize winner Art Cullen, on Wednesday endorsed U.S. Sen. Elizabeth Warren for president — a highly sought-after endorsement for candidates who want to win over rural voters.

In his endorsement, Cullen wrote Warren has "developed the most extensive agenda" to lift up rural Americans. Rural Storm Lake is in deep red Buena Vista County, where registered Republicans outnumber registered Democrats 36% to 26%, and about 38% are independents.

"Warren is campaigning to give us a fighting chance," he wrote.
....

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Autumn

(45,120 posts)

26. The differences are that Kavanaugh is a sexual predator. Bernie isn't. That's a really bad

Reply to TomCADem (Reply #16)

Mon Jan 20, 2020, 09:42 PM

Jan 2020

comparison but I get you got to go with something.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

TomCADem

(17,390 posts)

33. So You Believe Women Only When They Speak Out Against Conservatives

Reply to Autumn (Reply #26)

Tue Jan 21, 2020, 02:17 AM

Jan 2020

Got it. Of course, the Sanders campaign has been circulating memes borrowing from Trump's attacks accusing Elizabeth Warren of lying.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Autumn

(45,120 posts)

34. You are shitting on Believe Women, Bernie did nothing to Liz. Believe Women refers

Reply to TomCADem (Reply #33)

Tue Jan 21, 2020, 10:56 AM

Jan 2020

to the necessity of accepting women's allegations of sexual harassment or sexual assault at face value. It's totally typical for you though Tom. You twist anything to smear Bernie.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

TomCADem

(17,390 posts)

35. So Are You Saying You Do Believe Warren?

Reply to Autumn (Reply #34)

Tue Jan 21, 2020, 12:30 PM

Jan 2020

I just want to see whether we actually agree.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Autumn

(45,120 posts)

36. You and I will never agree. I believe Bernie. I also believe Liz had no problem with what he said at

Reply to TomCADem (Reply #35)

Tue Jan 21, 2020, 03:33 PM

Jan 2020

at that time. No matter what, you are shitting on Believe Women. Warren never even came close to implying any allegations of sexual harassment or sexual assault. You did and that and it really shows what you are. What Bernie said has not one damn thing to do with Believe Women or any fucking form of sexual harassment or sexual assault. Believe Women speaks to to the necessity of accepting women's allegations of sexual harassment or sexual assault at face value.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

TomCADem

(17,390 posts)

37. Most people don't report sexual harassment and a majority think that's a real problem

Reply to Autumn (Reply #36)

Wed Jan 22, 2020, 12:31 AM

Jan 2020

I disagree that only women who have been physically assaulted should be believed. Most women do not report acts of harassment or discrimination, because that often results in men like Bernie denying what they said.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/21/politics/sexual-assault-harassment-polling/index.html

President Donald Trump has called into question whether Christine Blasey Ford was actually attacked by Brett Kavanaugh during their high school years and argued if the allegation was real, the professor would have reported it at the time.

As a result, victims of assault have been sharing their unreported stories online with the hashtag #WhyIDidntReport.

Out of every 100 incidents of rape and sexual assault, 77 weren't reported to the police in 2016, according to data by the Bureau of Justice Crime Victimization Survey, analyzed by FiveThirtyEight.

And people agree that that's a problem. Two-thirds say that real experiences of sexual harassment or assault that aren't reported is a bigger problem than false accusations that are made, according to data by the Public Religion Research Institute released in March.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

msongs

(67,430 posts)

15. lol poor bernie, being called out on his past behavior nt

Reply to Anaxamander (Original post)

Mon Jan 20, 2020, 08:45 PM

Jan 2020

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)

18. She likely had to put 2 and 2 together.

Reply to Anaxamander (Original post)

Mon Jan 20, 2020, 09:00 PM

Jan 2020

Maybe she didn't know about the depth of issues with women and sexual discrimination in Senator Sanders' 2016 presidential campaign. It is also possible that she even needed off-hand statements in late 2019 and this year to get her to the breaking point that the memo to Sanders' door to door field people pushed her to. If one listens to her voice when she confronted Sanders after the debate, she was clearly hurt as well as pissed off. She likely did nothing in 2018 because she didn't want to cast a friend in a negative light and felt that Sanders would team with her to run two strong left campaigns.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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