"Maybe Rogan would be even more racist and obnoxious if he hadn't endorsed Sanders"? I don't think so. I do think it's time to face the fact that Sanders is attracting some fairly unsavory characters, and give some serious thought as to why that might be.

And this in fact is not.

of a racist creep like Rogan?

I guess racist creep votes are better than no votes at all. But the endorsement of a racist creep won't help him get the nomination if PoC, who he already has trouble attracting, are put off by it.

And fall squarely on the description you just made. But they are the ones who will swing the election. And did in 2016 as well.

As I explained before., this causes trump to lose votes and we give up nothing.

Bernie Sanders is doing well with PoC because of his positions. His positions haven't' changed and Joe Rogan isn't' going to change them.

https://www.vox.com/2019/3/7/18216899/bernie-sanders-bro-base-polling-2020-president

Here's a secret.

Calling people racists, even when they have aid racist things, has NEVER swayed anybody to be less racist. You can make people less racist. Just screaming at them "racist" isnt how you do it.

"Former Vice President Joe Biden has often claimed to have “broad support from the African American community,” and according to a recent Washington Post-Ipsos poll, he’s right.

The national poll, conducted from January 2 through January 8, found that Biden holds a lead of about 28 points among Democratic-leaning black voters, with 48 percent support. That number places him ahead of second-place Sen. Bernie Sanders, who has 20 percent support with a 4 percent margin of error. Even more striking, Biden and Sanders were the only candidates to achieve double-digit support among black voters: Former South Bend Mayor Pete Buttigieg, whose struggles to gain support from the African American community have been well-documented, only eked out 2 percent."

https://www.vox.com/2020/1/13/21063906/joe-biden-national-poll-black-voters-primary


Here is more well:

#ILikeBernie because he allowed Martin Luther King to march with him on Selma. - Chris Evans


Brooke@brooketorious
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@magi_jay

Maybe the socialist movement in America should reconsider using the term “wage slavery,” given our whole history with slavery and lack of reparations. Just spitballing here...


Andy@trtx84
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@magi_jay

It feels like the natural evolution of the language they use.

Throw around the phrase "wage slavery" enough and white people are going to start thinking of themselves as actual slaves.


Ted S. Raicer@tdraicer
·Replying to @magi_jay
and
@PelosiSquadNine

I don't know. I wasn't in Vermont back then. Maybe they were selling white husbands and children away from their wives and mothers? Plus picking cotton in Burlington in January is probably pretty brutal.


Texas Y’all@texasdemyall
·Replying to
@magi_jay

This was the most jarring part of this. As though if the owners had the consent of the slaves it would have been OKAY?

As though negotiating the sale of a company is in any way similar to negotiating the sale of a HUMAN F*CKING BEING.


JT Thompson@JThomp1881
·Replying to
@magi_jay
and
@ag_due

But hey...there is a picture if Bernie in the 60s at a Civil Rights rally once...so...
Obviously he is the expert of all things slavery..

WylieDeeds@DeedsWylie
·Replying to
@magi_jay

Knock me over with a feather.

Brocialist White saviour can't keep his mask on.


Doing real well

Since this makes people who would otherwise be voting for trump come to us.

They aren't changing us. We are changing them.

if Bernie doesn't get the nomination (and he probably won't), or will they go back to Trump?

and I don't' think you mean to make it that way. But regardless.

I should probably point out something I fear, many on DU do not quite grok.

No One is Entitled to Anyone's Vote

Will these guys vote for another Democrat? Probably not. Clearly the other Democrats haven't' earned that vote. They definitely aren't' working to expand the voter base except for the elusive (almost mythical) "disgruntled Republican voter" (Which to me makes the outrage about this all the more ironic. )

This means if Sanders isn't the nominee, it is the equivalent of handing votes back to Trump, where their problematic behavior will be reinforced.

So that's a plus for sanders. he can get the Democrats votes other candidates can't.

And as I keep saying, it costs us nothing. Sanders isnt' going to do a 180 on his policies to appeal to Joe Rogan listeners.

Trump is an existential threat. Whining that one's preferred candidate didn't win and then staying home is about as self-centered as it gets and is a significant reason why we have Trump in the first place.

The people who do so don't give a crap about the country. They only care about themselves and their alleged principles.

"it costs us nothing"

It might cost Sanders voters who would otherwise consider him. Endorsements rarely mean much, but if the Sanders campaign doubles down and defends giving this guy press on their campaign site, it could very well turn people off. Sanders needs to distance himself as he did with Cenk and do it now.

A vote is a vote.

There may have been unsavoury characters that actually voted for Obama. Hell, even on a supposedly closed door Democratic message board there is hostility.

Just like there may have been people that voted Trump last time (maybe the same person as described above) and were only doing so because Hannity, RW radio, their co-workers, and close family, all convinced them that Hillary who runs a child porn ring from a pizza shop, who may have also risked Islamic armies from taking over the US because she was sloppy with her emails, is pure evil sent by Satan to destroy America. But NOW, they can vote for an Independent, who once ran AGAINST the evil pizza madame.

Someone who has criticized the establishment, in both parties. The Washington Swamp that caters to the 1% above all else. You may disagree, and not like that kind of talk, but if that is what works, to get out voters we wouldn't have gotten, why would a more long time Democrat wring their hands about it, as long as we won? As Hillary once said. "What difference does it make?"

might switch because of the Rogan support. Too bad the number of his supporters who aren't racist, sexist and homophobic who
might switch to the candidate like him who isn't any of those things, might be a bit larger.

and be proud of their support

When you dance with the devil, the devil doesn't change. The devil changes you. - Amanda Hocking

(Not talking about Warren obviously)

Pretty weak deflection there.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/07/25/biden-harris-and-buttigieg-rack-up-donations-from-wall-street-executives.html

Biden, Harris and Buttigieg rack up donations from big bank executives on Wall Street

All three combined to receive contributions during the second quarter from at least 15 bank executives from Goldman Sachs, J.P. Morgan Chase, Morgan Stanley, Citigroup and Bank of America, according to Federal Election Commission records.

Or is it corporations are people too?

Let's assume half of those (lowball estimate) are regular Rogan listeners who would normally vote Republican/Libertarian or just abstain from voting altogether. That's 5.5 million people who now might change their minds, or at least consider, voting for Bernie in the primary/general election. Not a bad day's work there folks.

A number of states have "open" primaries, in which Independent or unaffiliated voters may participate in either party's primary. But if you're a registered Republican, you'll have to change your affiliation to independent or Democratic in most states.

Isn't what is happening here an attempt to interfere in a primary? Sure, get a bunch of right-wingers to cross over to vote in the Democratic primary (there will be no Republican primary to contend with anyway) and sway the process to ensure the least electable opponent for Trump is nominated. Nice work.

I've voted in a Republican primary before in order to keep out the most extreme candidate, since the Republican was going to win here regardless. But Rogan is trying to get his followers to vote for a less-likely candidate to go up against Trump. There will be shenanigans in our primaries this year. Count on it. Joe Rogan is friends with Alex Jones, and that's really all anyone needs to know about this.

That Sanders is one of them

Anyone who would vote in a primary just to concern troll wouldn't be waiting for Rogan to endorse someone. Especially when we both agree Joe Rogan would be having a positive influence (encouraging a vote for a particular candidate). It makes no sense for someone to think "I like Joe Rogan so I will do the opposite of what he says"

Anyone who was swayed by Joe Rogan we can say is probably sincere. In which case, if their guy wins the primary, they have an incentive to vote for that same guy in the general. They have an investment in that guy winning.

Operation chaos conspiracy is just that, a crank conspiracy theory. Right up there with illegal aliens voting for Clinton or uranium One.

He's pointing the would-be meddlers to galvanize behind a single candidate, and influence the outcome of another party's primary.

Maybe i’m out of touch with popular culture but this seems like scraping the bottom of the barrel: is Sanders that desperate for endorsements?

And, yeah, he said some things in the past but if people that come on her that are screaming "RACIST" actually took the time to listen to his podcast, they might find that he is pretty thoughtful and gives the people he interviews a fair chance to explain themselves. He's too libertarian for my taste, but he's not fucking David Duke.

And he has A LOT of influence.

I was bullied starting at the age of 6, and it didn't end until I was close to 20 years old. And now at 48, I still go to therapy for help overcoming all that bad stuff.

And you wanna know where those bullies got their ideas for bullying kids like me? From people who said (and continue to say) really really horrible things...people like Joe Rogan.

So with all due respect, I strongly feel that your, "And how we can be happy Rogan said he would vote for Sanders and still not like Joe Rogan at the same time" is downright awful.

A posting like this should never be allowed on DU.

Jeezuz F-ing Christ...do you NOT understand how much irreparable harm someone's spoken words can cause?? Amazing that I even need to say this here.

How he was picked on as a kid and how he had to learn how to fight to avoid getting beat up all the time. Maybe you have more in common than you would imagine.

O boy

would that candidate then be thrown under the bus because of a controversial supporter?

I don't believe candidates are responsible for what their supporters do. They might inspire bad behavior or condemn it or whatever but people make their own choices in life.

There is another candidate whose supporters claim can win Trump voters. Trump voters are terrible people. Should that candidate be thrown under the bus for getting votes from former Trump voters?

Trump himself has donated lots of money to Hillary over the years.

All this outrage is counterproductive and illogical.

There's plenty of evidence that he could very well alienate people who might consider Sanders in the primary.

Link to tweet

[link:https://www.hotnewhiphop.com/joe-rogan-torn-apart-after-bernie-sanders-endorsement-sexist-bigot-news.101843.html|]

"I think I'll probably vote for Bernie," said Rogan on his show. "He’s been insanely consistent his entire life. He’s basically been saying the same thing, been for the same thing his whole life. And that in and of itself is a very powerful structure to operate from."

Quickly becoming the top trending topic on Twitter, searches for Joe Rogan shot up extraordinarily last night with a number of critics, especially feminists and women, pointing out that Rogan's ideals don't exactly stand in line with what Bernie Sanders has been preaching. "Joe Rogan also had friendly interviews with Milo Yiannopolous & Jordan Peterson, yelled 'you're a fucking man' on-air about a trans woman, vocally argued against allowing trans kids puberty blockers THIS YEAR, says 'f*g,' and believes the world is stacked against men, so. Enjoy," wrote journalist Sady Doyle. "Joe Rogan is a sexist bigot, who regularly gives a platform to the alt right to sell his anger and hate," said another critic.

Bernie Sanders has acknowledged the endorsement, posting about it to his campaign page, which equally angered his supporters.

Can Bernie Sanders control who supports him? No, he cannot. However, the Bernie Sanders Campaign does not have to post Joe Rogan's endorsement on its campaign page like it is proud of it. Joe Rogan is scum. The Sanders campaign should not have him on its endorsement page. They should remove his name and then move on.

Agreed. Instead of doubling down on the nonsense like they sometimes tend to do, they should cut their losses and move on. Otherwise, it will just attract more attention.

The first parts being "Person said a bad thing to "Person is a bad person"

But ok, sometimes people are crap. Milo Yiannopoulos is a grifter and crap.

But it' the transitive part where cancel culture becomes especially vicious while also losing credibility.

It goes Person A is bad. So therefore Person B and C and D are also bad by association. (Ignoring that Person B or C might actually have a positive influence on person A. )

Here's the problem in this case.

Yes Joe Rogan has said crap. He has had on his program people who have said crap.

But unless you can show how Sanders is changing his policies to appease Rogana's problematic listeners...

... you have no argument. It's a Hitler Likes Sugar fallacy.

I am saying that Joe Rogan is scum, so the Bernie Sanders campaign should not be proud of his endorsement. Because of that, they should not post Rogan's endorsement on his campaign page.

Do you agree that there are some people that are so awful that their endorsements should not be posted on Bernie's campaign page? Can we agree that if the current head of the Klu Klux Klan for some reason endorsed Bernie that he should not put him on Bernie's campaign page? If so, that means that whether or not someone should be posted on Bernie's campaign page should really depend on how big a slimeball they are. If someone is a big enough slimeball, then he or she should not go on Bernie's campaign page.

If for no other reason, a Joe Rogan endorsement on Bernie's campaign page makes Bernie look bad and might actually turn other people off to Bernie. For example, Joe Rogan has almost no female listeners because he is a sexist pig who represents toxic masculinity. Plus, Joe Rogan let's alt-right idiots spout their nonsense on his show. The best summation that I heard of that described Joe Rogan is that he is "Rush Limbaugh for meatballs". If Bernie really wants to keep that guy up on his campaign page, I think it will probably hurt him more than help him. Since I support Joe Biden, I can certainly live with that.

OP: "So maybe it's Rogan who is being influenced by Sanders to not be as horrible."


Some idiot on Twitter: "Joe Rogan has expressed clearly transphobic views in the past. However, the ultimate expression of political power most people exercise in this system is their vote. By voting for and advocating on behalf of @BernieSanders@joerogan is beginning to undo that harm. We're winning."

Though Mary Magedeline was actually a female business owner which was still considered scandalous 2000 years ago.

But anyway, sorry to disappoint but your conspiracy theory is wrong.

I am not going to the secret Bernie trove of Talking Points as given by the High Elders. I just happened to come to the same conclusion because I have read enough stories from former racists and fascists to know there is a way to make people less racist.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/08/conversation-christian-picciolini/595543/

I am sure these same folk have no problem with Hillary and Howard Stern! Imagine the salty shit from his long past we could make a screenshot list of

Made a video about it and posted it on her campaign website. Did a hashtag. Had her campaign chairman tweet about it. etc.


Missed that.

Also Ron Jeremy endorsed Clinton.

I like Ron Jeremy. A friend met him once, said he was a really nice guy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Hillary_Clinton_2016_presidential_campaign_non-political_endorsements#Celebrities


Didn't you ever wonder why Hillary Clinton shows up on Stern's show so often?

Here

Did you live under a rock in 2016?

Link to tweet

So here's Bernie and Joe side by side, just two bros having a bonding moment.

The video is up on Bernie's Twitter site. Now we have to find one similar of Hillary and Howard Stern;



Bernie Sanders faces ire over Joe Rogan 'endorsement'

<snip>

"Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders is facing a backlash after he embraced the endorsement of a controversial commenter.

Joe Rogan, a popular online personality, has told his seven million YouTube subscribers that he would "probably vote for Bernie".

Mr Sanders drew rebuke for touting the endorsement on Twitter.

Some supporters said the progressive candidate should reject Mr Rogan's backing.

The comedian turned provocateur is a divisive figure who has previously drawn criticism for making what some considered to be sexist and transphobic comments.

Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders is facing a backlash after he embraced the endorsement of a controversial comments."

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51241462?intlink_from_url=https://www.bbc.com/news/topics/c5m8rrkp46dt/us-election-2020&link_location=live-reporting-story

Well, that's not it.


Bernie Sanders Blasted for Touting Support of Transphobe Joe Rogan

<snip>

"Bernie Sanders is drawing outrage for touting the support of sports commentator and podcast host Joe Rogan, who has made many offensive statements concerning transgender people, along with homophobic, sexist, and racist comments.

Rogan, host of The Joe Rogan Experience, has said that mixed martial arts fighter Fallon Fox, a trans woman, is “a fucking man” and that trans women should not compete against cisgender women in sports. He also has objected to the use of puberty blockers for young trans people.

Sanders, the independent U.S. senator from Vermont, sent out a tweet Thursday showing Rogan saying he will probably vote for Sanders in the Democratic presidential primary.

The candidate may be unaware of Rogan’s numerous problematic comments, but here’s a sampling.

He went into a rant against Fox in 2013. “You can’t fight women,” he said, according to a transcript on the Fight Opinion website. “That’s fucking crazy. I don’t know why she thinks that she’s going to be able to do that. If you want to be a woman in the bedroom and you know you want to play house and all of that other shit and you feel like you have, your body is really a woman’s body trapped inside a man’s frame and so you got a operation, that’s all good in the hood. But you can’t fight chicks. Get the fuck out of here. You’re out of your mind. You need to fight men, you know? Period. You need to fight men your size because you’re a man. You’re a man without a dick.”

Rogan has said his only objection to trans people is their presence in sports (and there is ample evidence that trans women do not have an advantage over cis women in athletics), but he has made other comments that are ignorant at best. In a 2019 episode, he said of trans children, “People don’t know who they are, a 7-year-old people don’t even give their 7-year-old phones, you don’t let them vote, you're gonna let them decide what sex they’re gonna be for the rest of their life?”

He also said children that young shouldn’t be given hormones. But the use of puberty blockers (which are an analog of a hormone) usually doesn’t start until the age at which a child goes into puberty, usually 12 or 13, and the effect is reversible. In that same episode, he wondered if these young people would regret transitioning, but studies have indicated such regrets are extremely rare."

https://www.advocate.com/election/2020/1/24/bernie-sanders-blasted-touting-support-transphobe-joe-rogan

That's really bad...but not bad for Hillary. I'll keep looking.


Bernie Sanders criticised after embracing endorsement from controversial podcast host Joe Rogan

<snip>

"But Mr Rogan has been accused of transphobia and sexism for comments made on his podcast and social media, and has also faced criticism for inviting far-right figures such as Milo Yiannopoulos and Infowars conspiracy theorist Alex Jones on to his show.

In 2013, he said there was “no f**king way” a transgender MMA fighter should be allowed to compete against other women because “she’s a f***ing man”, adding: “I don’t care if you doing have a dick anymore”.

Later the same year he tweeted that he hoped men who called themselves feminist “choke to death on vegan pizza while crying over a lady gaga song”.

The incorporation of Mr Rogan’s endorsement into an official 2020 campaign video led to Mr Sanders being accused of validating those views."

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election/joe-rogan-bernie-sanders-2020-endorsement-podcast-experience-election-trump-a9299866.html

Wow, Bernie made a campaign video with a racist fuckwit. Still looking...




Hey...wasn't he at a campaign rally last weekend. Seems nice.


John Cusack retweets anti-Semitic meme with neo-Nazi quote

<snip>

"American actor John Cusack on Tuesday retweeted an anti-Semitic meme captioned with a neo-Nazi quote, then apologized and deleted his retweet following backlash from his social media followers.

The meme retweeted by Cusack depicted a giant hand emblazoned with a blue Star of David crushing a group of people beneath it, accompanied by the quote: “To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.”
The meme incorrectly attributed the quote to French thinker Voltaire, but it’s actually an excerpt from a 1993 essay by American neo-Nazi Kevin Strom.


Cusack added his own caption to his since-deleted tweet, telling followers to “follow the money.”

The post immediately elicited backlash from online users, who accused Cusack of promoting anti-Semitic tropes about Jews and power."



https://www.timesofisrael.com/john-cusack-retweets-anti-semitic-meme-with-neo-nazi-quote/


OMFG...and he endorsed Bernie and gives speeches at his rallies.



I think I found it! What? 2019 she goes on Howard Stern for the first time? How is the same as Bernie? Whataboutism fail.


Hillary Clinton goes on Howard Stern's show for the first time (5/5/2019)

https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/04/entertainment/hillary-clinton-howard-stern/index.html

Maybe Bernie can lock down Ted Nugent, too.

I could call it it hypocrisy since I know I am unlikely to win many converts here.

But how exactly are Joe Rogan supporters different from the Conservative Republican voters moderates like Biden say they want to win over?

I have lived near conservative Republicans all my life. They are plenty sexist and racist and problematic. I watched as over 70% of them voted to make me a second class citizen in Missouri.

Yet we are supposed to elect a Moderate and dilute out values in the vain hope these voters will come vote for the Democrat. That's the entire case for Biden, that he can attract the conservatives who voted for trump in 2016, the same people who clearly were ok with trump's sexism and racism in 2016.

Not only has this not worked, it's hurt as a party. People don't' even know what democrats stand for anymore.

Yet Sanders is bad when he can get these voters without changing any of his positions (which are very much antithetical to the bigoted demagoguery of Trump)

I don't' think the real problem is that Sanders is attracting "Problematic voters"

The real problem is that Sanders is succeeding where centrists have for years failed and without selling his soul to do so.

More of what I was saying, that this moves people closer to our values.

All Sanders had to do to convince Rogan to endorse him was to sit down and discuss what Sanders believes. And funny enough that is how you get a bigot to stop being a bigot.

when St. Bern renounces the endorsement due to public outcry.

I don't know how many more times I gotta say it before someone hears it, but: As a Black American I am not going to kiss the asses of racists and legitimize their hatred just for them to let us believe for a short while that they might actually vote Dem... I've seen how this story ends, and spoiler alert -- They don't.

n/t

<snip>

"American actor John Cusack on Tuesday retweeted an anti-Semitic meme captioned with a neo-Nazi quote, then apologized and deleted his retweet following backlash from his social media followers.

The meme retweeted by Cusack depicted a giant hand emblazoned with a blue Star of David crushing a group of people beneath it, accompanied by the quote: “To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.”
The meme incorrectly attributed the quote to French thinker Voltaire, but it’s actually an excerpt from a 1993 essay by American neo-Nazi Kevin Strom.


Cusack added his own caption to his since-deleted tweet, telling followers to “follow the money.”

The post immediately elicited backlash from online users, who accused Cusack of promoting anti-Semitic tropes about Jews and power."



https://www.timesofisrael.com/john-cusack-retweets-anti-semitic-meme-with-neo-nazi-quote/



Actor John Cusack Goes Full Greta At Bernie Rally: ‘The House Is On Fire’

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"Actor John Cusack is a big fan of Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders’ particular brand of socialism. In fact, as the ’80s actor made alarmingly clear at a Bernie rally in Exeter, NH on Saturday, he believes if we don’t stop “predatory capitalism” in the next “ten or twelve years,” we’re all toast.
[T]he billionaires are getting nervous and all the corporate media is — they hate us, they don’t hate us, they’re confused. And it seems like every conceivable power structure on earth is trying to kill or derail our movement, but we’re still here,” declared Cusack, in remarks reported by Grabien.

“We know this form of capitalism takes and takes; it takes whatever, whenever, however it wants,” he said. “It’ll take our lives, it’ll take our labor, our spirit, our air and water, even our earth.”

Cusack then echoed an alarmist line often repeated by global warming activist Greta Thunberg, but specifically tying the sentiment to Sanders’ policies.

“Bernie respects us enough to tell the truth, the hard truth: We have a ten to twelve year window to radically transform our energy systems, or climate change, predatory capitalism, and endless war economies will rob us of the right to any future at all,” said the actor. “And as we can see literally every day, the house is on fire.”

https://www.dailywire.com/news/watch-actor-john-cusack-goes-full-greta-at-bernie-rally-the-house-is-on-fire

Link to tweet

?s=20

Joe Rogan is good for Dems big tent!

Rep Hakeem Jefferies needs to be primaried!!

these are confusing days

We don't need to cater to those who give a platform to thugs like Jordan Peterson and the Proud Boys.

Guess what? He thinks that Gabbard is great, too!

Link to tweet

Link to tweet