Democratic Primaries

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts) Sat Jan 25, 2020, 12:42 PM Jan 2020

Just a friendly suggestion for Sanders' opponents.

First a predicate. My buddy and I used to publish magazines, directories, and guides for business associations and chambers of commerce. That brought us in contact with many business owners, the lion's share of whom were small business owners. A lot of them invested substantial amounts of money in them, money they stood to lose when their businesses failed. The data suggests half of all small businesses will fail in the first five years, mostly from lack of capital. Anyway my buddy and I use to joke that given our knowledge of the area we could predict which businesses would fail and save these small businesses owners tens if not hundreds of thousands of dollars. In one instance this business owner opened up a restaurant at a location where several previous restaurants failed. It was because it was impossible to see and get in and out of. The owner had spent $600,000.00 in 2001 dollars on renovations. I told my buddy I could have told him it would fail for one hundred dollars. The running joke is they could pay us small sums to save them large sums when their businesses failed. Of course they wouldn't pay for bad news.

It was fun while it lasted but the advent of online publishing and the Great Recession killed us.

I could tell you about all the racist and bigoted shitheads we met in our endeavors but that's for another thread.

Anyhow .... My free advice....

You are not going to convince Sanders voters to abandon him. His base is solid as a rock. Best focus on everybody else...

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Just a friendly suggestion for Sanders' opponents. (Original Post) DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2020 OP

Just like Trump voters, I guess. The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2020 #1

I'm not going to go there. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2020 #3

We need to make sure that someone else is the nominee...I am a Biden supporter but if it comes to it Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #2

With sanders endorsement of Rogan..it may change a few minds Thekaspervote Jan 2020 #5

I am hoping... Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #15

"focus on everybody else" left-of-center2012 Jan 2020 #4

Sanders is dead to me in this primary. I don't feel safe with him as the nominee as a woman and Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #7

And to me! Here's how the AA community is responding to sanders friend Joe Rogan Thekaspervote Jan 2020 #10

Thank you! I agree completely. It is not safe. Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #13

Biden support is way under estimated LakeArenal Jan 2020 #6

Agree here's what Nate Silver published on 538.. Thekaspervote Jan 2020 #9

Consistently as well. LakeArenal Jan 2020 #11

Yes, he is a waste of time. It's good to counter his R B Garr Jan 2020 #8

+1000 Thekaspervote Jan 2020 #12

Absolutely. Half his current support are solid Democrats. Hortensis Jan 2020 #14

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,719 posts)

1. Just like Trump voters, I guess.

Reply to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 12:44 PM

Jan 2020

You can't easily deprogram people from personality cults.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)

3. I'm not going to go there.

Reply to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #1)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 12:46 PM

Jan 2020

But the same applies to Trump. You are not going to convince Trump voters to abandon him. His base is solid as a rock. Best focus on everybody else...

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Demsrule86

(68,582 posts)

2. We need to make sure that someone else is the nominee...I am a Biden supporter but if it comes to it

Reply to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 12:44 PM

Jan 2020

I will throw my efforts and vote to a candidate that can beat him in the primary. I will only vote for him in a general...we may not change Sanders folks who worship the guy...but they won't change us either.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Thekaspervote

(32,771 posts)

5. With sanders endorsement of Rogan..it may change a few minds

Reply to Demsrule86 (Reply #2)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 12:50 PM

Jan 2020

Certainly won’t help him with the AA or the unified LBGQT voters!!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Demsrule86

(68,582 posts)

15. I am hoping...

Reply to Thekaspervote (Reply #5)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 01:36 PM

Jan 2020

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)

4. "focus on everybody else"

Reply to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 12:49 PM

Jan 2020

Be like Bloomberg.
Attack Trump ~ not other Democrats.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Demsrule86

(68,582 posts)

7. Sanders is dead to me in this primary. I don't feel safe with him as the nominee as a woman and

Reply to left-of-center2012 (Reply #4)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 12:56 PM

Jan 2020

social justice is important to me...thus Sanders gets my vote in the general only. I will say what I chose within the rules of this site. In the primary, I will work for and promote Biden and work against a Sanders nomination. Of course as I said, should he be the nominee, he has my vote.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Thekaspervote

(32,771 posts)

10. And to me! Here's how the AA community is responding to sanders friend Joe Rogan

Reply to Demsrule86 (Reply #7)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 01:01 PM

Jan 2020

Link to tweet

?s=21

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Demsrule86

(68,582 posts)

13. Thank you! I agree completely. It is not safe.

Reply to Thekaspervote (Reply #10)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 01:06 PM

Jan 2020

I don't know exactly who Sanders is anymore...but not someone I will vote for in the primary...only in a general

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

LakeArenal

(28,819 posts)

6. Biden support is way under estimated

Reply to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 12:53 PM

Jan 2020

That’s my free advice to Sanders supporters. You and Sanders advisors should seek their own advice.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Thekaspervote

(32,771 posts)

9. Agree here's what Nate Silver published on 538..

Reply to LakeArenal (Reply #6)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 12:59 PM

Jan 2020

Link to tweet

?s=21

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

LakeArenal

(28,819 posts)

11. Consistently as well.

Reply to Thekaspervote (Reply #9)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 01:01 PM

Jan 2020

No slumps. No surges.

Steady solid winning support.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

R B Garr

(16,954 posts)

8. Yes, he is a waste of time. It's good to counter his

Reply to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 12:58 PM

Jan 2020

misinformation and double standards spewed to undermine Democrats, though.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Thekaspervote

(32,771 posts)

12. +1000

Reply to R B Garr (Reply #8)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 01:02 PM

Jan 2020

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)

14. Absolutely. Half his current support are solid Democrats.

Reply to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 01:14 PM

Jan 2020

There are far less than in 2016 because most of those who learn more about the Real Bernie Sanders move on, an ongoing process.

As for Sanders' rock-solid base, they've been studied then and now and are already once again promising not to vote for our Democratic nominee (or other Democrats) if it's not him, which it won't be.

Happily, they aren't nearly enough by themselves to get him, and them, the 300 delegates he must have to put his name in nomination. And if that doesn't happen, those of his "rock-solid" base who show up anyway will just have to vent their fury against our corruption, including calling for Sanders' opponent to be locked up, from outside the convention hall.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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