and they're not gonna take it anymore!!


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

OK, back to the poutrage!!

Just like the tweet predicted, the people bashing Bernie over Rogan don't actually cares about trans-phobia unless it's by someone who endorses Bernie. The silence is golden, both on twitter and here.

The whole twitter outrage is just for show. Which isn't surprising, I mean the people who hate Bernie are center/right. Since when is the center/right ultra-woke?

to flip flop and make his young base angry.

who's support some are seeming to think killing Trans-women is funny...it makes me sick and I like Sanders even less with all these excuses. Democrats who believe in our principles should shun these sort of 'celebrities'....seriously vomit inducing. Joe Rogan is way different. He never tries to stop his 'guests' and there are his own rants.

Oh I finally got the video to play where Char...says you can't say that...little different there...and this is all you got...seriously lame.

"You should go to jail or something," Charlamagne concluded. "Some charges should be pressed. ... But you can't go around killin' transgenders, Duval."

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/krystieyandoli/charlamagne-tha-god-stands-by-his-reaction-to-lil-duvals

That right there illustrates the point of the tweet in the OP as well as anything. None of the outrage has anything to do with LGBT rights or anything. It has to do with people disliking Bernie Sanders, period.

I mean, what, because in the middle of being bent over laughing about murdering a trans women, he tells his buddy that murder is wrong, that makes this acceptable? What? Yes, please explain that to the trans community. I'm sure they'll totally understand. Also the part about trans women who don't disclose their trans status should go to jail. Totally understandable.

You think any of the Bernie-haters would be making excuses for this guy if he were on Bernie's side? Come on now. Let's be serious.

The double standards...

I’m glad he doesn’t support killing them. I don’t agree with him about the criminalization of transgender people having sex without disclosing their having transitioned.

the purity brigade about Sanders’ civil rights cred.

A memo must have arrived from Vermont to do it

I'm guess the transphobe who supports Mayor Pete is not. The picture starts to become clearer as to why people are pretending to be outraged at one but not the other.

So birtherism, 9-11 conspiracy theories, racism, transphobia, homophobia, misogyny are all ok just because Rogan is for universal healthcare? Really?

How do you know it is not just a comedy act like you implied before on another thread?

Maybe he was just joking about universal healthcare right? RIGHT?

If you are so "outraged", why are you OK with Mayor Pete accepting an endorsement from a transphobe?

I wonder if you are going to answer. No, I don't wonder. You're not going to answer.

It's OK, because we all know the answer. We all know why it's OK to post articles from right-wingers like Jennifer Rubin in support of Biden, and why it's OK for Mayor Pete to stand next to a transphobe to accept an endorsement, but it's not OK for Bernie to get an endorsement from a guy who tells offensive jokes and supports universal healthcare.

Hint: it's not the offensive jokes.

It is a trumpian tactic.

Which figures, because there isn't a substantive answer to what I'm saying. Try explaining why it's OK for Biden and Pete to buddy up to bigots. That would be interesting.

Or just ignore it and keep up the personal attacks comparing me to Trump. That's another option.

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And “whataboutism” is talking about something other than the desired topic.

I wonder why.

even unpopular ones like this without using a word that means nothing and is used as a one liner to avoid having to come up with a response to the topic being discussed.

to another comedian, Kathy Griffin.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287445973#post37

His birtherism was not comedy

his joke.

Link to tweet

Laughably so. “Obama's public persona has perhaps been presented differently at different times.” Right-wing media and conspiracy theorists have cited it as proof many times, with no clarification from Breitbart. Snopes has become a joke.

is that Rogan tweeted something that he found and when a few people got outraged he explained the tweet in a responsible manner. It was kind of ironic where the blurb on the pamphlet came from.

Or did he delete that tweet, too, and I missed it?

That looks like doubling down, not an explanation.

before he ever even ran for president and well before the birther movement. But I think non of this matters. People will see what they want to see or what they are told to see. Breitbart is a dirty word to we Dems because we have seen all their tricks but not to younger people.

Have a nice day.

The shit hit the fan everywhere over Rogan and Bernie, now it seems others have been added to the mix. That's a worthwhile discussion.

I mean, it doesn't get closer to exactly the same thing. Two candidates. Two endorsements from shock jocks that say offensive things. But only one outrage!

I mean, it's basically like a controlled experiment! They should publish the results in a psychology journal!

That's why it's centrists on twitter that are pretending to be offended by the Rogan thing, and not actual voters.

It's not "what about" because there's no "what" about it. Nobody outside of professional pundits or people with a burning hatred for Bernie Sanders actually has a problem with the Rogan endorsement. Everyone else thinks it's a great endorsement from a popular talk host.

I'm just pointing out how hypocritical all the faux-woke centrists are.

If that's the only defense, then there is no defense.

Easy. He's an independent popular talk show host who reaches exactly the kind of independent audience we need to defeat Trump. It's a good endorsement. And if Bernie isn't the nominee, then I hope Rogan endorses whoever is.

But now you're turn. Why are you offended by the Rogan endorsement but not the Charlamagne endorsement? I think both are fine. Why do you (and the all the faux-woke twitter centrists) think one is fine but not the other?

their humor vile from clips that have been posted. I was flipping through Netflix last night and I saw he has a stand up comedy special. I'm going to watch it tonight and see what all the outrage is about.

Basically, any comedian you listen to says equally offensive jokes, it's part of the job. Some people like it, some people don't, whatever.

My problem with Rogan is that he has right-wingers on his show and doesn't challenge them on their bullshit. I mean, it's kind of part of his whole thing, is having people on and just listening to what they have to say. That sort of credulousness also leads him down conspiracy theory roads. The flip side is he'll have left-wingers on his show and also not challenge them, and also just listen to them and try to understand. But the whole left/right thing is a false equivalency, it's not like Bernie Sanders is the equivalent of Jordan Peterson.

But as far as that goes, it's not really different from like CNN, who will have a Democrat and Republican on and give them equal air time and equal credibility. It's just that, both on the left and right, Rogan will have people on that CNN won't. I mean, he had Abby Martin on talking about the Israel-Palestinian conflict and Gaza, something you'd never see on CNN.

But as far as the endorsement, it's actually a good thing that he's an independent, because those are the people we need to win against Trump. It's so weird that people don't understand that.

are used as scapegoats by some. Thank goodness our leadership understands the importance of them.

Damn, but you argue so much like every trumphumper I've engaged with on the web.

First you start off with a VERY apparent whataboutism to defend something that is frankly 100% indefensible.

Then you deny you did a whataboutism, even though it's still right there in plain sight.

Then you argue a point that I never once argued by insinuating that I support Pete's endorsement at all.

First, son, I never said such an absurd thing. You've made a completely false accusation.
Second, no it isn't okay, however, I've watched the twitter video of the feed, but what is 100% missing is the referenced anti-Transgender clip.. I've expanded that tweet 5 times and don't see it there anywhere. If true however, Yes, I do expect Pete do disavow that endorsement.
Third, even if there IS evidence of the claim, has it ever been brought up to the Buttigieg campaign? Did they do like BS and his devoted and double down to defend it?? If so, then damn skippy I'm not supporting Buttigieg either. I strongly suspect there is nothing to support that at all then (and the burden of proof is on YOU and any who makes the claims to support it with evidence).

So, in summary: Whataboutism, denial of evidence right there, followed by a completely fake and unsubstantiated claim.

Since it was "my turn".. how's that??

The term "whataboutism" you are using is simply a way for you to ignore the incredible hypocrisy of the Bernie-bashers.

Like I said, I support the Rogan endorsement, I'm making no bones about it. I'm not using the Pete thing to justify it, it doesn't need justification, because it's an endorsement from an independent with a huge audience, exactly the kind of swing voters we need to beat Trump. Why you don't understand that is beyond me.

The point of the Pete thing is just to lay bare the hypocrisy. And it's worked amazingly well. If the people complaining so hard about Rogan actually cared about LGBT rights or whatever else they are pretending to care about, then they would be equally offended by Pete. It's not a hard concept to understand. Anyone who genuinely thinks it is an outrage to accept an endorsement from a shock jock who says offensive things would be outraged in both cases. The fact that they are outraged in one case, but not outraged in another virtually identical case speaks volumes about what they truly care about.

Think about it like an experiment. Suppose we are trying to figure out if chemical A or chemical B causes a person to get sick. If a person exposed to both A and B gets sick, we can't tell which caused it. But if we have another person exposed to A but not B, and they don't get sick, then we can reason that it wasn't chemical A, looks like it's chemical B.

In this case "getting sick" is having a bunch of faux-woke centrists on twitter get outraged. "Chemical A" is getting endorsed by a shock jock who says offensive things. And "chemical B" is being Bernie Sanders.

They ignore the Bernie So Pure memes when his impurity is exposed.

so all they have is to try to raise false equivalencies through whataboutisms. That or just openly admit that they totally are in support of the vile things Rogan has said.

have held themselves to the purity standards that Sanders has. It’s like the RW “family values.” They only want to trot them out if it browbeats opponents. Such phony false equivalencies.

so I am supposed to just trust some dude I don't know as to what this man did or didn't say. That said, if he is transphobic then Pete shouldn't be touting his endorsement.

All those well-produced ads are having their effect.

First of all, let me welcome myself here. I've been lurking on here for a while now, but now feel like I want to join in the lively discussions.

Now to the topic at hand:

I'm a gay male in the education field. I know several gay men also in the education field. Rogan's comments about gays which were posted in other topics (thank you Cha for posting that BTW) are about as vile and bigoted as they get . Ever hear of Anita Bryant? The Briggs Initiative. Comments EXACTLY like Rogan's were used to marginalize and blatantly discriminate against gay men in the past. There are parts of this country where gay men STILL continue to have to deal with such ignorant thinking on a daily basis.

I'm not even going to touch the blatant sexism and racism.

Very disappointing that the Sanders camp (who claims to be so "woke" concerning culture) sees no problem in publicizing this guys endorsement. You want to conduct purity tests on every other democratic candidate running in the primary, then don't get upset when it's done to you.

No politician should be using so called "Shock jocks" or even comedians for public endorsements. I don't agree with what Buttitgieg did, and he needs to explain why he did so. But Buttigieg's campaign also doesn't have a history of hiring sketchy people to work for them either. This Rogan endorsement comes just weeks after a top level Sanders staffer was fired for making anti-Semitic and anti-gay remarks.

Why does a democratic candidate surround himself with such questionable people? You don't hear this trouble from the Warren camp. You don't hear this from the Biden camp. None of the others either. It's just Bernie's camp who seems to have all these issues.

I agree with you for criticizing the Bernie camp for wanting to apply purity tests. They shouldn't. Purity tests are bad. I think it's fair to point out bad votes people have made (e.g. Bernie voted against the Brady Bill, Biden voted for the Iraq War), but I think it's bad to use those votes to try and paint someone as a right-winger or Republican or impure or whatever. Nobody has a perfect record.

I disagree about the Rogan endorsement, because I think that getting support from independents like Rogan is necessary in order to win against Trump. Rogan is all over the map ideologically, and I don't agree with a lot of what he says, but he has a huge audience and it would be a really really good thing for a chunk of that audience to vote for a Dem over Trump.

As far as the general question of who the campaigns associate with, if we go down that road, it's hard to see any of them winning. Yes, Biden's current campaign is striving for "purity" on certain issues (though clearly not others), but it only takes a brief glance into his career to see that over the years, he has been far from pure on social issues (praising Jesse Helms, opposing busing, etc). I guess you could argue that all that other stuff is in Biden's past and now suddenly he's the most ultra-woke person around, but that's not really credible. He's a human like everyone else.

I don't know what Sanders staffer you are talking about, but since that staffer was fired, that means Sanders did exactly the right thing. And Bernie's own record and his positions on issues related to gender, race, and LGBT rights are as strong as they come. It's not like he actually compromised his platform to pander for the Rogan endorsement.

He out of all them should know the implications of Rogan's ignorant statements. That there's a long and painful history behind such comments. I don't think you should go against everything you stand for to secure an endorsement. No, I don't think he completely comprised his platform, but he didn't do it many favors either.

I'm just baffled about whole thing. Wasn't Roseanne Barr fired and pretty much exiled off of television for making a similar Planet of the Apes joke? And they didn't fire Kevin Hart last year from the Oscars for past homophobic comments? I don't understand how all of a sudden this behavior is getting a pass. And from a liberal candidate? It doesn't make sense.

If Rogan said one tenth of his stuff on a TV program, or while he was hosting a TV program, yeah, he'd be fired. But he's not on a TV show, he's got his own podcast and youtube show, so there isn't anyone who can fire him.

The thing about Rogan is, yeah, there's a lot of horrible stuff there, not just the slurs, but he has right-wing guests and basically doesn't challenge their bullshit. On the other hand, he also has left-wing guests that you'd never get on mainstream sources. I've seen tweets, for example, saying how people would never have heard of what was going on in Gaza if not for the fact that Joe Rogan had Abby Martin on to talk about it. And Abby Martin is beyond "liberal", she's left-left-left, like Noam Chomsky left. Still goes on Rogan's show.

So it's not like Rogan is actually a right-winger. I don't even know what his "views" are, he says he votes for Democrats almost always, but he's kind of all over the map. Sometimes contradictory. Like he'll use homophobic slurs, but at the same time he's a proponent of LGBT rights, and he insults people (crudely) who oppose things like gay marriage.

But the other thing is, Joe Rogan is part of the reality of what the new "swing" voters are. Used to people, everyone thought swing voters were moderates who care a lot about the deficit and don't want taxes too high, and are OK with gay rights or abortion but not "too far" (I mean, Obama was against gay marriage when he first ran). But now, there are a lot of people in the Joe Rogan category so to speak, whether we like it or not.

Wow.

🤔

Especially concerning his attempts to put lipstick on Joe Rogan.

This is about a comparison you made. One which doesn't hold up.

And your concern for his ability to endure people disagreeing with him.

You're welcome.

Thankfully however, there are plenty of people like yourself who do in fact, pretend to know what we need.