By that definition, the entire Breitbart crowd and David Duke as well as the KKK are all centrist.

homophobic, misogynistic gd Liar..

CNN: Biden & Warren campaigns said they hadn't asked to appear on Rogan's show

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287446665

I don't think those two statements are contradictory: Rogan is a pretty good barometer of American centrism, and Rogan is racist and transphobic.

Sooner or later. If Rogan is a liar he's a liar and it will come out. Rogan is a comedian and comedians say some raw shit.

No. Bernie can do whatever he wants to do about Rogan. Even if he did denounce it, which I hope he won't, since we saw what happened after he denounced Cenk. He was still trashed for having accepted it in the first place. Rogan will not influence Bernie but Bernie can influence young fans of Rogans. I do not "push" Bernie celebrating joe rogan's endorsement as you accuse me of. But I know a smear when I see one. Some of what I see on twitter reminds me very much of what the Pukes did to other comedian, Kathy Griffin amd Michelle Wolf.

more support than he gets from the shithead crowd that Rogan reaches with his fucking alt-right racist, sexist and Homophobic rants. Sure Bernie can paste this 'endorsement' all over his website,go on the pocast multiple times (so out there really) and act like the 'cool kids' if he chooses, but he will pay a price politically deservedly.

This response is awesome. Thank you.

But plenty of Democrats won't go for this sort of thing...sure he keeps his core...but not enough to win the nomination.

Bernie will NEVER compromise on human rights or women rights.

Link to tweet

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17 now 18 that's a cool little trick

Rogan is a deal breaker for many LGBTQ.

justice with this Rogan thing IMHO. That is how I feel. And honestly, I have to say you are a good person, and I just don't think he deserves support from someone like you after this. I just don't. Of course, who we support is a personal decision and completely your business. So I don't mean to offend you nor do you owe me or anyone else an explanation for your choice. I won't support Sanders in a primary. That being said he has my vote in a general.

than weed through subtleties (and not so subtleties).

I continue to support Warren and Sanders. I hope we move to the left!

I believe that Biden will lose and we can't afford him as the face of the party.

Moving left is now history. Look in your rear view mirror for any semblance of left.

I agree with some of what he says, some of it - no - and most of it I haven't listened to. He did say he likes Yang and Sanders. I'm not sure that puts him to the right of Bannon - but to you it might.

As I have written, Bill Maher seems to like him (they had an amiable convo on his show). In the end he's not my issue.

I support Sanders and Warren in the primaries and they are my issues

says... do you also agree with what his frequent guest Alex Jones says about Sandy Hook kids and parents...do you agree with his gun shit? Nah, needles in the eyes would be better.

needs to be ignored. Good lord. Rogan should be denounced for that alone.

to throw civil rights under the bus.

Further, there are a few of them that are baiting others over this and enjoying the reaction. Unbelievable.

I’m truly undecided...but I don’t do any of that. It isn’t useful. There are a couple Tulski supporters in the middle of it too.

I honestly don’t venture into the primaries forum often because it is so stressful! This Joe Rogan thing is disturbing, however.

yet are utterly contemptuous of the actual opinions and views of 30-50 percent of their fellow citizens.

of garbage like Rogan. He is exactly the same as the Klan, militia, NRA ass-hats, Proud Boys, Nazis etc...he targets the same people and spews the same garbage. The Democratic Party doesn't welcome racist,sexists shitheads to the party.

then "racist, sexist shitheads" (your term for what are in demographical terms, a large percentage of the American voters) get a vote, too.

It's just a fact of living in a democracy, and calling everyone who doesn't agree with you a "Racist, sexist shithead" is not the way to win an election.

Like I said, some people claim to want democracy while hating the views of fully one third and damned close to half of the electorate, to the point of actually attacking the character of other American citizens just because they don't agree with them.

I just find it funny, is all. I don't like the policies or personality of Cheeto Benito, but I'm never going to think that insulting anyone for who they vote for or what they espouse is going to make them more likely to vote for my priorities.

hate racist, sexist anti-LGBTQ promoting asshats forever. They have a first amendment right to spew their garbage sure, but I won't praise their vile rhetoric nor vote for any party that supports it or them. Thank God Democrats do not do this. And the idea that our Republic means we need to accept their noxious views in the name of freedom is nonsense. I do not accept baby caging racist shitheads who continue to support Trump... no,never.

Maybe we need to get started on those concentration camps so we can show our respect for these apparently 'mainstream' views (bullshit) by incarcerating those who these alt right characters target with their verbal garbage spewing over our airwaves daily

here want to defend their candidate.

Anyone not in complete agreement with the person you are replying to is a racist, sexist, homophobic bigit! Please report for reeducation! Centrists are merely disguised KKK members! .sarc

Here he is making fun of birtherism and the lie that Trump told about Obama.

He is saying he liked Obama and makes fun of racists that don't like him.

(Can I even link to him? I don't know the rules. If you were to google him (not to be rude, but I doubt many will - not sure why, but they won't. But google youtube and Rogan and TRUMP was BIRTHER, has HOT wife, OBAMA not a LIAR).

He derides birtherism, makes a rude aside about hot women (and makes fun of men who make rude asides about hot women) - and hopes that Trump does not get into office.

He is also making fun of Trump supporters and says he is dangerous.

Is typical RW gaslighting. Don't be stupid enough to fall for it

"He is beginning to believe Obama was born elsewhere"...and for the record...both Warren and Sanders won't get the Mid West and will likely lose 35 states IMHO...She is my second choice but is down sadly in the polls. We win only with Biden...we have a chance but there is no doubt it will be a tough election...it however our only chance IMHO.

Link to tweet

Those defending, and justifying this a**hole have about as much integrity as he does.

Like that matters.

Bernie Sanders still says class is more important than race. He is still wrong

Sanders spoke about the need to move ‘beyond identity politics,’ apparently not recognizing that this is impossible in America

<snip>

"It appears that in the aftermath of a monumental but nonetheless failed presidential campaign, Bernie Sanders remains most comfortable in the spot that made him a loser: trying to separate class and race.

Sanders has never been wrong about the damaging roles establishment politics and economics play in the lives of millions of Americans. Even so, he’s long struggled with acknowledging that focusing on class alone won’t make this country better for many who are struggling. That the revolution cannot be colorblind if it were to truly make this country better for all of the disenfranchised.

At a speech in Boston on Sunday, the Vermont senator advocated “go[ing] beyond identity politics,” declaring, “The working class of this country is being decimated — that’s why Donald Trump won. And what we need now are candidates who stand with those working people, who understand that real median family income has gone down.”

Yes, it has. But Sanders, like the others parading this pedestrian punditry in the aftermath of the news that most white people voted for Donald Trump, is missing the point while continuing to promote the very ideas that sunk him during the primary. He lost many potential voters of color because we know color-blind economic policies alone will not change certain realities of racism in America. They might “make America great again”, but only for people who have always had it pretty good."

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/nov/22/bernie-sanders-identity-politics-class-race-debate


Seems to be the consensus -

Link to tweet

Bernie picked up his obsession with class based at the Stalinist kibbutz he stayed at in Israel. The kibbutz was part of a movement, the movement had a party, and the party (according to wiki) emphasized class struggle.

".She acknowledges that Sanders’ time there might be when he “apparently sharpened his socialist ideals a half-century ago.” Zeveloff adds that they “had a strong admiration for the Communist system in the Soviet Union.” They heard about the Soviet gulags, but considered that news to be false reports from renegades. No wonder they proudly flew a red flag at outdoor kibbutz events. We also learn that relatively few people volunteered at the kibbutzim affiliated with Hashomer Hatzair before 1967, making Sanders’ 1963 visitation a rare exception among American volunteers."

"Of course I do not know at all what Bernie Sanders’ specific views were at the time, but the evidence does indicate that back in the early ’60s he was part of the pro-Communist wing of the left. Now, as a democratic socialist, he eschews revolution and wants the U.S. to emulate the sclerotic European social democracies via a “political revolution,” whatever that is."

This is consistent with everything I've read about Bernie. Secrecy.

"Now that Bernie Sanders has become a serious candidate for president, it is inevitable that the media will pay attention to every aspect of his life. In 1963, when Sanders traveled to Israel to work on a kibbutz there were scores of American Jewish students who also volunteered. So it is rather strange that Sanders has consistently refused to tell the press about his time there and the kibbutz he worked on. When asked, he and his campaign dodged the issue."

https://www.hudson.org/research/12194-bernie-s-adventures-on-a-stalinist-kibbutz

So he got this stuff over 50 years ago in Israel and he's still slogging a variation of it today. They say he's consistent (Joe Rogan praised him for consistency) and they're right. The stubborn old man and his discredited theories are back for another run at the White House.

let’s call him a “centrist”.

...other than he doing Howard Stern's shtick.

That said, he has the #4 podcast in the nation (the top one that has political content), meaning he has a significant audience. From what I've gathered about his audience, they're predominantly white, working class and male? Can he get them to vote in November? If he can get them to vote "Blue no matter who" (and not just drop the ball should Bernie not get the nomination), then whatever idiotic, bigoted nonsense he night have said in the past can be temporarily looked-past. Job #1 here is getting rid of Trump.

Once we're back in the WH and in control of the Senate, go ahead and cancel him, for all I care. Let's get Job #1 out of the way, first.

Can you recall the last time a mass vote switch was led by a podcaster?

If a celebrity endorses a candidate, does that mean everyone who watched their movie or TV show, or bought their CD, is going to vote for the candidate they endorsed?

White, working class males voted for Trump. They choose race over class. Identity politics. That is the fallacy of Bernie's class based revolution. He does class in direct contrivance to everything we know.

No podcaster, even number four, can change this:

Does the White Working Class Really Vote Against Its Own Interests?

"Trump’s first year in office revived an age-old debate about why some people choose race over class—and how far they will go to protect the system."

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/12/31/trump-white-working-class-history-216200

I can tell people are completely uninformed about what kind of show he does now when they reference him. Spoiler alert: It’s not 1985 Howard Stern.

I appreciate your post. But if we can't sift through facts, and there doesn't appear to be any willingness - there is no point in even trying to have a conversation.

I have my fingers crossed that we can nominate Sanders or Warren. Nothing scares me more than Biden shuffling his way to the top - since I don't think he'll win against Trump

support, and a matchless resume. He won’t be “shuffling.” He is one of the most respected American political figures with a wide appeal across demographic groups and the political spectrum. He is also globally respected as having been a highly accomplished VP and an expert in world affairs. Your personal animosity as shown in these posts here is shared, but not
widely.

where centrists backed the birther movement and spewed Seth Rich conspiracy theories.

he thought it was a lie?

All I did was google him and birtherism, and then listen to his words (not the mashups that are out there).

He says he liked Obama, thought he told the truth - as in 'is a truthful person' - and a truthful Prsident -
made fun of Trump, birtherism, and Trump supporters. This was 2016. Perhaps your data is from before that period?

I need a break from all this. He might not be a great guy, but many people are not great imho. I have no interest in defending him - but I'd rather we stuck to facts when attacking him - or anyone.

I'm signing off for the day.

I don't know what you're talking about. I've seen Joe Rogan's birther tweets along with all the rest of his disgusting trash. There is plenty of evidence. I don't understand anyone here defending him, and I don't care if they're getting shit for it. They should be.

this piece of garbage some sort of stature is beyond me...no candidate is worth doing this...a form of selling you humanity and your soul. We don't do racist, sexist and homophobic POS in this party. Consider that the last words slaughtered Trans-women heard were the same sort that this guy spews on his bigoted podcasts where he spews this shit three times a week. He is a blight on humanity.

when he talks about shooting women in the c word, calls blacks the n word, gays the f word, miss genders and dead names trans people, and does God alone knows what else.

The centrist pundits you see on TV are not actually what swing voters are like, where every opinion they have is screen-tested and approved by producers and pollsters.

I’m actually curious. An article on this: https://www.npr.org/2018/04/07/599573817/what-we-mean-when-we-talk-about-suburban-women-voters

scum bucket Rogan and any who celebrate him.

I get that the reference was to suburban women white and non-white.

and irrationality.

Populism is the antithesis of liberalism.

Centrists generally try not to be bigoted, although they fail sometimes in that.

The primary characteristic of centrists is an aversion to sweeping changes. They're more or less OK with how things are going, and don't want to rock the boat too much. Rogan thinks that rocking the boat is great fun. He also doesn't care that much how the boat is rocked, because he's wearing the only life jacket in his boat.

Like others of his ilk, he likes taking controversial positions on things. As a podcaster, he works to please or energize an audience. His audience expects him to do just that, so that's what he does.

He likes Bernie Sanders because Bernie Sanders is also a boat rocker. Neither Rogan nor Sanders are centrists. Not in any way are they centrists. In endorsing Sanders, Rogan is just rocking that boat. That's what he does.

Not in any way. It's a very familiar tactic, and it's very familiar to me and other boomers who were part of movements designed to disrupt. Today's young people did not invent it, I can assure you.

Bill Gates - if you don't think he was a disruptor, you should check that out.

Bob Dylan and others -

Tom Hayden, who served in both houses of the California Legislator and who was a major anti-war activist

I could go on, but you wouldn't be interested, I imagine.

civil right, anti-war, and women's rights movements in the 1960s and 1970s to find all the names you need to understand that disruptors were as common then as they are now. I was active in all three movements, although i did not go on to become an elected official or well-known.

It's common for every generation to believe they are the first to do something. That is almost never the case.

Donald J. Trump is such a disruptor. Sometimes disruption from the right also wins. Be very careful not to help allow that to happen in your zeal. I'm an old man, now. I will have to leave it up to you and the rest of the younger folks to protect what we have and not allow the tyrants to take it all away.

Believe me, they are trying to do exactly that. Be watchful.

Four years or even two is a very long time in the rise of tyranny.

Jerry Brown (endorsed Secretary Clinton in 2016).
Jane Fonda (endorsed Secretary Clinton in 2016).
John Lewis (endorsed Secretary Clinton in 2016).

exposed atrocities.

Black Panthers. Mario Savio. Chicago Seven. Martin Luther King. Malcolm X.

Rogan thinks or says???

and try to aggregate them into some kind of centrism.

identity politics and the idea that people of color, women, and sexual minorities and the rights of marginalized groups should be discussed. Instead, an economic revolution must be engaged in, and identity politics itself was the enemy for many.

If you repudiate identity politics in that fashion, then you can easily have extreme right-wing views about identity while also pushing populist or pseudo-populist ideals.

There is a giant crossover between so-called libertarians and people with right-wing social views and racial views who also believe in a command economy and want to use the government to attack what they perceive to be elites.

I think we need to have a multi-axial perspective on politics. One access would be command economy versus individual enterprise, the other would be cultural issues, and possibly a third axis (yikes, I'm proposing a three-dimensional chart).

just trying to plot people on a liberal versus conservative line is really insufficient these days.

very well, and those labels are sometimes meaningless.

That's an interesting take.

I don't know if it's true. Of course, since we're talking about things that are secret, by definition this is an unverifiable and irrefutable theory.

He thought he was a libertarian apparently, but is supporting Bernie Sanders is pro gay rights and gay marriage... Likes Tulsi too...Stays in great shape and has been married since 2003. Has a couple of kids. Loves marijuana. Seemed like an ok guy.

So next, I dig in to find what the fuss is about. One very interesting take is this is a continuation of “Reaching out to Trump voters”...is Rogan popular amount bigoted white peoples ?

He made a dumbass and racist comment about going to see “Planet of the Apes” in a Black neighborhood. I mean really dumb, and really racist

My dudes, I LIVE in a neighborhood that is mixed, and this mindset is a fucking weird thing to say. I don’t see the comedic value

So, what next? A little dust up in the UFC


https://www.sbnation.com/2010/11/23/2324963/ufc-commentator-joe-rogan-uses-anti-gay-slur-towards-reporter

Is it boys will be boys time? Has Trump forced us that far back?

Here is Rogans apology



My goodness. This motherfucker thinks he’s FUNNY. I see.

What else, as far as I’m concerned Bernie Sanders can do what he wants.

I am more interested in this knee jerk defense of Rogan, or the whataboutism that’s popping up. I never listen to the guy, and I resent having to look this crap up to get an informed opinion. Did I NEED to know Rogan and Musk got stoned together? Or listen to his “feminism is sexism toward women” bullshit? No I did not. I am not appreciative. There is a lot more but I’m done.

So what I am concluding is Rogan is a very successful, very white cis straight male who is also an asshole. He says bigoted shit not out of any deep conviction but because he loves and lives in that area of privilege where he can get away with it.

Fuck Joe Rogan.

but he really doesn't seem comfortable around LGBTQ issues or racial issues.

More problematic is his tendency to push right-wing voices and to publicize really problematic individuals and their views.

Guests on his show are often horrific.

weirdly, I still maintain a positive regard for him as a human being, but not as a thinker and certainly not as a political intellectual. Oh my God. He is not the brightest person.

Not only is he a racist Piece of crap...he enables the alt-right...I wonder how many new recruits proud boys had because of him? How many Sandy Hook parents wept when he has fucking Alex Jones his best bud on...when you look at the targets he consistently picks you know what he is. You lose your humanity in my opinion if you accept even a tenth of what this guy spews...and I think he means every word.

support this in order to win elections and who throw the marginalized in our society under the bus basically are in danger of losing their humanity and any reason for people like me to vote for them...yeah I still vote for whoever the Democratic nominee is...that is not the point. I expect I listened to Rogan more than you as my son liked this guy and that was very concerning...the guy is alt right. I am telling you. My daughter is Gay. She is in school to be a teacher. What do you think a guy like Rogan opining that Gay people molest children could do to her life? There are real world consequences for those this guy targets.

That is the biggest load of bs I ever heard on DU.

My government can bridge by John Roberts becoming a hero

Voters doing the right thing.

We managed 2018 Midterms without the likes of Joe Rogan.

Plus I bet nickels to apples that Rogan won’t vote for a Democrat in the general.

Limbaugh's angry disaffected white males are aging out and Rogan is scooping up the successor generation.

Athoritarianism is a place where some on the left and some on the right meet.

A lot of people are drawn to libertarianism because they believe that it can silence anti-racism.

Where have I seen this willingness of people to abandon their principles in the service of a demigod before?

Hmmmmm.... where could that have been?

I'll vote for Sanders if he's the candidate, but the bros are way too exactly like trump humpers for me to ever trust anything they say or do.

men. How many new recruits do you suppose the Proud Boys got after that broadcast. And I think they were on more than once. He is not moderate and he targets Gays, Tran-people and women...always. But it is just joke...haha...bullshit. When they tell you who they are believe it. So just stop...what little respect I had for Sanders has now evaporated...you can't make this right for him. He should have known better. You have to wonder if those who don't have any respect for social justice are progressive...I don't think they are. Civil rights is the most important issue IMHO, period.

him in 12.

And that isn't a jab. It's a simple fact. EVERY Civil rights struggle has been really a struggle to convince people in the center. The goal is to make left ideas like civil rights acceptable in the center.

AT one-time Segregation was the centrist position.
MArriage was for straight people only was the centrist position.
Women should not vote was the centrist position.

And now they are not.

As this guy points out, Joe Rogan came to Sanders. Sanders didn't have to move to get Joe Rogan.

Your guy for whatever reason he had chose to elevate this alt-right piece of shit...and it is on him...not any moderate or centrist...it is on Senator Bernard Sanders...and he shouldn't have done it. And all the BS posts I have seen on this site won't change that...the picture of Sanders with this guy that said my Gay daughter is a fucking child molester makes me want to hurl...and I doubt I am alone in this...lots of people have Gay family members that they love.

Sanders made a big mistake here. Sure he is better than Trump and has my vote if he is the nominee...but he probably just lost the small chance he ever had of being our nominee by celebrating this guy's endorsement. And that is a good thing...it would be a slap in the face to women, LGBTQ and POC that a person who wants Rogan and his followers (who wouldn't vote for us anyway) welcomed into the Democratic Party...it would be a betrayal.

If you’re still explaining Rogan, you’re losing.

Good grief.

Sid

Rogan is NOT a centralist