I’m sure Bernie supporters would disagree.

People who don't do that are not Democrats. It's very simple, really.

We are having primary elections to choose the Democratic Party nominee for President. Democratic Party.

Democrats vote for Democrats, right down the ballot.

However, they aren't here on DU, so we can't influence them here.

but not many real independents. Democrats and liberals of various sorts come here. Right-wingers pretending to be something else come here. But, independents usually don't.

Besides, DU has virtually zero influence on voters anyhow.

Trump and will bear some of the responsibility if Trump is re-elected.

He hates Trump!!

4 years later, he now owns a house, has a child with special needs, has more responsibilities etc...He didn't have this in 2016

I'll just scream Betsy DeVos and it should sink in. Heck with ideology...

At least the Democratic party talks about getting the revenue to do these things. There is no other option is this country. The other party is a fascist kleptocracy infused with dangerous magical thinking. This party thinks nothing of making others suffer. In fact it delights in doing it.

I was a Republican up until the invasion of Iraq. I became an independent, and eventually a Democrat. I always had a Libertarian bent.

I honestly don't think that the positions that Warren and Sanders have carved out can win Wisconsin, and, if you don't win that state, you don't win the election. I am from Iowa, but I have worked closely for many years with folks in Wisconsin. I just don't see it happening.

How could anyone who has not drunk to Kool-Aid imagine the country can survive another four years of this man and this party in control.

Biden could clarify. He's done so with the Iraq War resolution..

Biden's actions speak louder than a 30 sec video clip

should our country have especially in peace time and not in a recession. Neither party wants to talk about it.

The Balanced Budget Amendment was one proposed tool. I think it doesn't give the government sufficient flexibility.

Whatever Biden or Sanders or anyone else proposed 20 years ago is not really that relevant.

With fiscal responsibility.

We do need to pay down our debt. That requires raising taxes.

on additional programs without also addressing systemic changes.

I support Amy. Who has an actual deficit/debt plan.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/benritz/2020/01/15/democrats-finally-debated-the-deficit-what-did-they-say/#76186d8957af

I will be at the caucus next week supporting her. Then whoever gets the nomination.

Really, without having a specific Debt/GDP ratio, and some other numbers, saying we need to "pay down our debt" is a pretty meaningless statement. Same with "fiscal responsibility".

A big problem with the topic is that most think of the debt the same way they think about personal finances, so that is how it's communicated. It's often very wrong, but it's almost by necessity considering the extremely poor economic education level of the vast majority of people. It's very different when you get to a macro level, especially for the U.S. The fact that we print our own money, control intrest rates, and are the global currency, really changes things from how people typically think of money.

You cannot print money to tackle the debt. That leads to hyperinflation and would destroy the country. As to her plans, some are here...


https://news-photos-features.com/2019/12/05/amy-klobuchar-releases-plan-for-the-future-of-work-and-a-changing-economy/

he won't get pregnant and need an abortion, his voting rights won't be taken away, he won't be deported by ICE, his marriage won't be dissolved by the state, and I could go on and on. To call it frustrating is an understatement.

It is insanely frustrating talking to my coworkers (most have masters degrees).

I don't honestly what to tell my daughters. We all three caucused for Sanders in the last election, and strongly supported Clinton in the general election. Our country has gone insane.

...

He is a die-hard liberal. He supporters liberal policies.
He sure as hell isn't going to cut SS or Medicare.

This a fact that is outside Sander's control. There is no reason to think Sanders won't try as hard as he can to convince people, just he did before. Sanders did 39 events on Clinton's behalf and I forget how many rallies with Clinton in 2016. But that is all he can do, try to convince. He has said it itself, this isn't really about him.

If another candidate can't convince people to vote for them, that's on that candidate. That is just how that is.

but I don’t think those “Bernie or no one” voters are doing themselves any favors.

The stakes are too high this election to insist on purity tests. In my view anyone with that attitude is no different than the MAGA hat wearing Lardship supporters. My way or the highway is no way to go through life, and certainly not a way to pick a candidate for POTUS.

The thing that’s being missed here is that Sanders’s supporters transcend the Democratic Party. I can guarantee you the VAST majority of registered Democrats who support Sanders in the primaries will support the eventual nominee, no matter who that may be. I certainly will, just as I did in 2016.

The nominee, if it isn’t Sanders, may well have to earn the votes of non-Democrats who support him. That might be a daunting task, as so many of these people are disaffected by the rightward lurch of the party under the influence of the Third Way movement which has been so strong in Democratic politics since the days of Bill Clinton.

Sanders reflects my values and my hopes for this country, but I’m a “Vote Blue No Matter Who” guy and always have been.

we keep trump.

Other polls aren't that important wrt the GE.

attention.

Who knows where he gets this stuff. He hates Trump. He loved Obama.
I'll bug him after the primaries. I gotta convince him to re-elect our county chair and a few other down ballot races in the primary. (Those are the tricky ones around here)

like gay rights, and have them explain their comments in that context. One will probably find that that person does not care about social issues.

BS is doing the same thing he did in 2016.

He's got a special needs daughter now (who wasn't yet born in 2016). All I have to say is Betsy DeVos and I think he will forget about ideology.

I really don't care who he votes for in the primary. His vote will be extremely dilute anyway.

Bernie is sure listening to them... and to the working class in this country, which splains the Bernie Surge in the polls!!


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This seems significant.

He did not say it now or has he said he is planning on it.

Ah yes...I forgot. Biden's "experience" is very very important but his record is irrelevant.

....didn't agree, he wanted to strengthen the sentences for powder cocaine.

How's that for a record?

Still, it's nice of you to acknowledge Joe Biden's history of advocating cuts to SS.

I never acknowledged Biden't "history of advocating cuts to SS", because it NEVER happened. I'm not one to acknowledge anything that didn't happen. You?

Biden advocated freezing SS cost-of-living increases for ONE year back in the 80s...along with all other federal spending...

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2020/jan/22/fight-between-joe-biden-and-bernie-sanders-over-so/

Hardly the "cuts" you're insisting he supported.

https://www.ontheissues.org/Joe_Biden.htm#Social_Security

Your own link disproves this.

for links that show Biden advocated "cuts" as opposed to COLA adjustments.

With the Iowa caucuses two weeks away, the Bernie Sanders campaign is rolling out oppo research showing that Mr. Biden once said he’d consider cost-of-living “adjustments” in Social Security. In Bernie-speak, this always means “cuts.”

Or maybe we just aren't speaking the same language.

I just recently started receiving SSI and wouldn't mind taking a temporary freeze if everybody else is sharing the burden to help get the federal deficits under control.

Link to tweet

I'll see your Intercept and raise you a Vox...

The Bernie-Biden clash over Social Security, explained

https://www.vox.com/2020/1/22/21074069/joe-biden-social-security-bernie-sanders

Much of this controversy has been fueled by David Sirota who is basically a Twitter attack dog that Sanders hired. Some of his claims are demonstrably false...like the one that claims Biden was lauding Paul Ryan.

Biden is a long-time deficit hawk. Like I said I would be willing to forego a couple lousy COLA increases if Joe feels it's necessary to get major concessions from the Republicans on raising taxes on the wealthy and corporations. But you can rest assured Biden is not about to slash SSI or Medicare as some have suggested. I have confidence that if Biden makes some of us sacrifice a little then others who are much better off will have to give up a lot more. As the article above mentions Obama pretty much felt the exact same way although neither was successful during Barack's two terms thanks to Republican intransigence and unwillingness to compromise.

Or we could go Bernie's preferred way...although I doubt SSI and Medicare would last very much longer if the federal debt skyrockets by $1 or $2 trillion every year.

...video in which he explained that he wasn't advocating that. Of course, the 2 minutes before and 2 minutes after that 19 seconds was omitted.

to a doctor because his preferred doctor was not accepting new patients.

This is what he shared:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=101&v=XBHlGFZCwu8&feature=emb_title

Many of Joe's supporters have not committed to voting for Sanders if he is the nominee.

Facts and citations make one's quantifiable statements credible.

No surprise.

No wordsmithing either. Simple yes or no.

Fish ain't biting...

I'd also choose a white convertible rather than a blue one if I won the Publisher's Clearinghouse Sweepstakes, in case you were wondering.

And....we've gone from vague, unsubstantiated accusations to....

be what you anticipated at all.

But...you pays your money, and you takes your chances. Sometimes you just lose.



My popcorn was delicious and very much worth the show.

lulz

I guess you're the exception.

thing is, it's reciprocal this time. There are many who will not support him if he does win.

His followers argument before was couldn't we win without his supporters?

Now I ask, can he win without the Democratic Party base that he, and especially his surrogates shits on every chance they get?

I support Sanders, but am a “Vote Blue No Matter Who” guy. I can guarantee you that most Sanders supporters who are registered Democrats will vote for the eventual nominee, whoever it is. His independent supporters, and there are many, will likely have to be convinced.

I urge you to join me in voting for our eventual nominee, no matter who it is. Or, we can keep trump....

I guess there is a class of Americans that can wait out another four years of Trump to get their unicorn.

You would think that Trump being president would motivate them. This is disturbing.

Well is it small OR is it the majority????

Geez what a dumb thing for a Newsweek reporter to write.

The phrase is small minority.

47% won't commit, so they are a large minority. There is no small minority involved here.

Dumpy Trumpy got a fewer percentage of votes and was announced as the winner of a rigged election. 53% is a good healthy majority.

This is ridiculous. There is no such common phrase of "small majority" and it has no real meaning. It is a mixed metaphore. And is a poorly constructed descriptor.

If 47% of Democrats said they were going to have a tantrum and not vote if their person didn't get the nod??

BTW 87% of Biden and 90% of Warren supporters will support the nominee.....


Are you minimizing the consequence of 47% of Dem voters to sit out an important election??

Are you minimizing the consequences of bad English, shotty reporting and bad journalism?

53% is a small majority...a majority by ONLY 3%.
Not SHODDY reporting or "bad English"

I play with my own posts? It could be 25...what do you care?

You really need to relax before you explode.

Yet, you object to shotty...which was a play on shitty, but have no problem with "small majority". A really bad descriptor written by what is suppose to be a journalist in a major news outlet. You have your priorities mixed up.

And if I want edit my joke seven ways to Sunday you just have to live with it.

Editting

I'm voting for the nominee. Period.

There is no such thing as pie in the sky, though it has a powerful allure to those just coming of age as far as politics go.

He brings in people who would otherwise vote for trump or not vote at all: aka independents. Yang does the same.

Which candidate running for the Democratic nomination has also suggested the same thing about Biden? Which candidate running for the Democratic nomination is poisoning the well by denigrating the party and claiming that the Democrats are "the party of the elite" or "the party of the one percent"? What good purpose does it serve to accuse the Democratic party of being "corrupt" or being "ideologically bankrupt"??

party unity my ass

This is a different ballgame.

and i hope everyone else does

We are never gonna get 100% of anything, now will Republicans. Even an amazing candidate like Obama didn't get 100% of Democrats to support him. Reagan didn't get 100% of Republicans either. No one will ever.

for the common good.


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Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
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