When details are revealed, people aren't as enthusiastic. Without details, they're not as dismayed.

Warren tried to bring one of those vague proposals into the real world, reality won, and she lost some moderate support when those people saw the plan was too extreme.

And when she tried to adjust to that by suggestng a publlic option first, a bow to reality, the people who preferred slogans and vague proposals went back to Sanders.

Unfortunate for her campaign, but totally predictable.

She ran into a similar problem with a plan for forgiving some but not all student debt, which looks too extreme to moderates, but wasn't enough for Sanders, so he topped it with a FORGIVE ALL THE DAMN DEBT!!!!!!! plan, which is hopelessly regressive and has no chance of getting through Congress and would kill his chances of winning the GE. But hey, it sounds sooooo good to his supporters.

I actually saw some of his supporters whining on Twitter that the Warren plan would forgive "only" $50,000 of their student debt. Awww.....

Trump for one uses that to his advantage. Elizabeth Warren is actually too straightforward to be a great politician, though I think she would be an excellent President.

Bernie's a populist, Liz is analytical.

Or did that not happen?

doesn't definitively prove causation, but it was widely assumed in the media, etc that the talk about "you will lose your private health insurance" scared away voters.

I mean, first she was all for single payer, and then she comes out one day and says that she wants some kind of public option first and then later single payer. Which might be a good idea, but it can also come across as equivocation.

It coincided with her waffling on medicare for all.
She's got too many ex HRC staffers on her campaign.

you can look at the timing and it dates from her giving details.

That's why.

Warren tried bit failed to come up with plan to pay for this dumb program

is pumping this false narrative garbage. The Outside Bot Networks are working at hyper speed to convince everyone that Ms.Warren can not beat the Orange Anus.

Thought everyone had figured out what the hell is really happening.

brouhaha clearly for what it is/was and continues to be!

... it might have to do with their supporters. First, all the candidates have a core of very passionate supporters. That being said, I think Bernie has a larger core/base group that are not going to move. Elizabeth has a capacity for a larger overall group, but they are more fluid - they can move to another candidate if she modifies positions. Just my impression.

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But I can't help but feel this so called surge, if it really is one, is being bolstered by the russian troll networks working the usual social media networks to spread disinformation in order to weaken Biden. It is no secret Bernie is their dream opponent and I believe they are doing everything they can to help it along. Aftef all, it's what they do.

Some people prefer to believe in pink unicorns.

4% of income excluding the first 29K

The example he uses on his stump speech is a family making 60k will pay 1200 a year for comprehensive health care.
( you make a million a year you pay $38,000)

dental, hearing aids, home health care and eye glasses included
No deductible, no co payments, no out of pocket expenses.

First year everyone 55 and above covered
second year 45 and above covered
third year 35 and above
fourth year everyone in

Pink unicorns and all...

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See where that gets us.

will work or want to try a Public Option.

Warren's support is newer, and her latest funding proposal added almost 70% more to the expected cost.

To the extent that she has been "hurt" by this I think she took a hit that dates back to a couple of debates where it seemed to some that she was dodging giving straight forward answers as to how Medicare for All could be done without increasing any taxes on the middle class. Even though Warren subsequently has offered more details as to how it would be financed, more so than Sanders perhaps, earlier in the debates Sanders was viewed as owning up to the actual costs more than Warren was.

While some may have felt Warren was "ducking" in refusing to admit that yes some taxes will go up to pay for Medicare for All, Sanders did not hesitate to admit that under his plan taxes would indeed go up. From that he pivoted to stress that the additional tax burden falling on middle class families would be a small fraction of the money they would save by slashing co-pays and deductibles that today make routine health care all but unaffordable for many middle class families even though they are currently insured.

Warren didn't have her answer ready early when it mattered and I think it cost her not being able to explain in a timely manner how it could all be possible without raising any taxes

some of her momentum along with Bidens.

choice. But yes, I would certainly choose him over Sanders if those were my only options.

Right now, he ranks fifth in my preferences. But I am with Elizabeth Warren so long as she is in the race.

when they assumed Sanders’ heart attack would have a longterm damper on his campaign.

All their mischaracterizations of her were wrongheaded and mostly benefitted Sanders.

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And being torched all the while by Sanders supporters and Bernie’s online TV lackeys for insufficient purity, making Warren the only candidate in the race to have taken sustained incoming from all sides.

(#5 Response) hit the nail on the head. Most other explanations reflect the biases of the posters.

... common sense. I, for one, had a sinking feeling when she raised her hand on that debate stage re MFA. I was mollified when she injected some common sense back into her position. So Warren supporters might drift away. Sanders supporters have never been troubled by the need for common sense and possible compromise.

Warren is a planner and doer so we expect real things from her.

Bernie is a finger wagger and sloganer and his supporters are perfectly happy with that.

Sanders and his supporters live ina fantasy world where there are million of untapped votes on the left.

2016

Totally blows an interview with Daily News, is exposed as having nothing, Daily News is criticized for giving Bernie a sad, cover is provided for him, then whatabout Hillary.

Did Bernie Sanders Botch An Interview With The Daily News? It’s Not That Simple

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-daily-news_n_5704779ce4b0a506064d8df5

He botched it bad.

"This wasn’t an interview about policy details. It was about who the media has decided is presidential and who isn’t, who is serious and who isn’t. The Daily News and much of the rest of the media don’t think Sanders is qualified to be president, and that’s the motivation for an interview meant to expose what the media have already decided is true."

"During his interview and elsewhere on the trail, Sanders has been beaten up for not specifying how he will pass his agenda through Congress, which observers astutely note is controlled by Republicans rather than democratic socialists. Clinton does not get the same question, though it applies equally to her more moderate agenda. (Greg Sargent notes that he has raised concerns about this with regard to Clinton.) The answer that Sanders gives — and gave again to the Daily News — does not, in the eyes of the media, qualify as an answer. But there are only a handful of possibilities:"

3) A “political revolution” sweeps Republicans out of office and changes the contours of the debate.

"Now, you can argue that No. 3 is highly unlikely, especially considering the fact that Sanders has only a slim chance to win the Democratic nomination. But if he did win, the country would have just elected a socialist. Does that change what is possible? Can he mobilize his army again in 2018 and 2020? All of it is improbable, but it’s a theory, and it’s one that millions of people believe in."

"As her husband strives to win the hearts and votes of New Yorkers, Jane Sanders is speaking out about the New York Daily News interview that lead many to doubt — and Hillary Clinton to openly question — his viability as a candidate. When asked about the interview on CNN, Jane Sanders compared it to an “inquisition” and said that the Daily News didn’t tell Bernie Sanders that it planned to publish the transcript."

moderate support. Therefore when Medicare for all IMMEDIATELY became an issue - some of her moderate support was hesitant. Then when she moved to a transition support, some very progressive people left.

That more ambiguous position could become a winner, but it means that she is always walking a tight rope.

I think it's really that simple.

When Bernie screwed up in 2016 in an interview w/ NY Daily News his wife went on CNN and compared the interview to the inquisition.

Bernie's does. A lot of people assume that Bernie and Warren have the same base. They don't.